Marvel Cinematic Universe

[SmugAutist]

So the coronavirus is hitting Disney hard right now. Black Widow is getting delayed until it dies down and the parks where that Avengers ride is getting closed until further notice.

How much of it will affect the MCU in the long run?

Productions will have to be delayed, and some of them cancelled, if not MCU then at least Disney properties that either aren't pulling their weight or their profitability is not enough. First thing on the chopping block will probably be the comics division. Disney could have taken the blow before this because they had quite a bit of money, but that's going to change after this disruption.

At the end of the day, not a lot of MCU stuff will be affected because it's their cash cow, but Disney is going to suffer under this.

 

[friedshrimp]

The outlook in media is gonna change after this crisis. People will flock to more earnest, well-meaning, optimistic media over cynical and "witty" products that are only interested in deconstructions, subversion, wokeness, and the typical speech of "old media is bad and problematic, watch our new remakes/shows cause they're smart and witty and diverse and duurrr". People will link this cynical outlook to this selfish and self-centered narcissistic attitude that allowed the pandemic to grow in the first place.
And let's be honest, a lot of Disney's products in the 2010s have this smug attitude of "we're better than our old movies/other movies out there, and if you don't like us you're a bigot".

 

[InsolentGaylord]

The outlook in media is gonna change after this crisis. People will flock to more earnest, well-meaning, optimistic media over cynical and "witty" products that are only interested in deconstructions, subversion, wokeness, and the typical speech of "old media is bad and problematic, watch our new remakes/shows cause they're smart and witty and diverse and duurrr". People will link this cynical outlook to this selfish and self-centered narcissistic attitude that allowed the pandemic to grow in the first place.
And let's be honest, a lot of Disney's products in the 2010s have this smug attitude of "we're better than our old movies/other movies out there, and if you don't like us you're a bigot".

Probably why I found Tangled and Zootopia to be the most enjoyable. They lacked much of that element you were speaking of.

I honestly hope for two things.

1. They get what they fucking deserve, which is both a good and bad thing.
2. They realise that they can't keep that awful attitude up any longer and go back to making entertainment actually worth a damn instead of depressing people and pandering to narcissistic bullies.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Productions will have to be delayed, and some of them cancelled, if not MCU then at least Disney properties that either aren't pulling their weight or their profitability is not enough. First thing on the chopping block will probably be the comics division. Disney could have taken the blow before this because they had quite a bit of money, but that's going to change after this disruption.

At the end of the day, not a lot of MCU stuff will be affected because it's their cash cow, but Disney is going to suffer under this.

Beyond MCU, Disney has their parks shut down and the sports events are cancelled, which means big loses for the parks and ESPN.

The outlook in media is gonna change after this crisis. People will flock to more earnest, well-meaning, optimistic media over cynical and "witty" products that are only interested in deconstructions, subversion, wokeness, and the typical speech of "old media is bad and problematic, watch our new remakes/shows cause they're smart and witty and diverse and duurrr". People will link this cynical outlook to this selfish and self-centered narcissistic attitude that allowed the pandemic to grow in the first place.
And let's be honest, a lot of Disney's products in the 2010s have this smug attitude of "we're better than our old movies/other movies out there, and if you don't like us you're a bigot".

I think people will be inclined to see more original material in theaters more than on streamers.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

I think people will be inclined to see more original material in theaters more than on streamers.

By original material, what do you mean? why would this affect the MCU?

 

[Godzilla@1989]

By original material, what do you mean? why would this affect the MCU?

Original material that isn’t based on a existing property.

I wouldn’t say this would affect the MCU, but I would argue that because of how bloated the franchises have become, a lot of studios are going to cut back on making expansive franchises for a while and focus more on light escapist flare.

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

I fucking hate the skeletor half-coon "Mj" they cast in the Spidey movies. Even when young Petey compliments her she has to make it some sullen woke shit.
That is not Mary Jane.

Mary Jane should be a sexy redhead with an ass so fine even the faggiest of fags take notice and consider pussy for a moment. She can kick ass but she's not a twitter checkmark sjw. That other Disney bitch from " Shake it up" could have been more appropriate.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I fucking hate the skeletor half-coon "Mj" they cast in the Spidey movies. Even when young Petey compliments her she has to make it some sullen woke shit.
That is not Mary Jane.

Mary Jane should be a sexy redhead with an ass so fine even the faggiest of fags take notice and consider pussy for a moment. She can kick ass but she's not a twitter checkmark sjw. That other Disney bitch from " Shake it up" could have been more appropriate.

Bella Thorne? Maybe if she cools off from the meth and shaved her legs.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

The outlook in media is gonna change after this crisis. People will flock to more earnest, well-meaning, optimistic media over cynical and "witty" products that are only interested in deconstructions, subversion, wokeness, and the typical speech of "old media is bad and problematic, watch our new remakes/shows cause they're smart and witty and diverse and duurrr". People will link this cynical outlook to this selfish and self-centered narcissistic attitude that allowed the pandemic to grow in the first place.
And let's be honest, a lot of Disney's products in the 2010s have this smug attitude of "we're better than our old movies/other movies out there, and if you don't like us you're a bigot".

Have we been watching the same MCU for a decade?

 

[InsolentGaylord]

Have we been watching the same MCU for a decade?

Have you seen the direction the MCU is going in?

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Have you seen the direction the MCU is going in?

Yeah the Eternals is apparently going to have a blink-and-you-miss-it gay kiss ready to go for Chinese censors to cut out, and then some brown girls might go in at some point. Real cynical and woke alright. The fact that people actually think they're going to blow their billion dollar formula "to appease the woke!" is reetarded.

 

[SmugAutist]

Yeah the Eternals is apparently going to have a blink-and-you-miss-it gay kiss ready to go for Chinese censors to cut out, and then some brown girls might go in at some point. Real cynical and woke alright. The fact that people actually think they're going to blow their billion dollar formula "to appease the woke!" is reetarded.

It's not the woke that will potentially kill the MCU. It's the refusal to change the mood of these movies despite the fact that we are more than likely going to see a change in the cultural zeitgeist of America following this lockdown. I may be stepping out of line but this has the potential to be the most impactful thing on the overall American psyche since 9/11 or the fall of the Berlin Wall or the Kennedy Assassination. Things are not going to go back to normal for a lot of people, it's not the same world awaiting us at the other side of the door. With changing moods comes a change in the culture we like.

Social Justice are luxury politics at the end of the day, and cape movies flourished during the times when America was slowly recovering economically. It's going to be different now.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

It's not the woke that will potentially kill the MCU. It's the refusal to change the mood of these movies despite the fact that we are more than likely going to see a change in the cultural zeitgeist of America following this lockdown. I may be stepping out of line but this has the potential to be the most impactful thing on the overall American psyche since 9/11 or the fall of the Berlin Wall or the Kennedy Assassination. Things are not going to go back to normal for a lot of people, it's not the same world awaiting us at the other side of the door. With changing moods comes a change in the culture we like.

Social Justice are luxury politics at the end of the day, and cape movies flourished during the times when America was slowly recovering economically. It's going to be different now.

He will still think it's just "Because gays and brown women" when the issue is they are obviously out of touch with the moods and desires of the main audience that actually likes these movies, especially if they allowed boring half arsed drek like Captain Marvel to be made, and to a lesser extent Black Panther (but that actually made money legitimately but it won't have much staying power). I'm not really sure people would want to watch stories made primarily to virtue signal about identity politics and characters they don't care so much about, especially if the culture is going to change after this pandemic is over, whenever that is.

It the mood changed from escapist flare, which may not even work after this but for sake of argument, they changed it from fun escapist flare that anyone could enjoy, to a more narrow minded less escapist flare (due to identity politics being pushed onto the audience) that may or may not even be entertaining to the majority of the GA, that may not sit well with people, especially white men who just experienced a horrifying ordeal with a disease that will potentially cause many people to lose their fucking jobs. Sure they will want to be lectured about how worthless and "old" they are and need to be replaced with low pay immigra---I mean more diverse PoC LGBTs. Yeah, totally would want to become even more depressed and alienated -_-

Look Kill, I get it some of the whiners are stupid and I get that you like these films. But this isn't 12 months ago anymore. Things are different and very uncertain now. It would be like if they made Nazi propaganda in post war Germany when the Nazi's have been defeated, despite the populace not wanting that at fucking all. It's just out of touch and tone deaf.

"The fact that people actually think they're going to blow their billion dollar formula "to appease the woke!" is reetarded. "

Tell that to Star Wars and Doctor Who. And look at how successful Mandalorian was when that didn't try too hard to appease the woke.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

It's not the woke that will potentially kill the MCU. It's the refusal to change the mood of these movies despite the fact that we are more than likely going to see a change in the cultural zeitgeist of America following this lockdown. I may be stepping out of line but this has the potential to be the most impactful thing on the overall American psyche since 9/11 or the fall of the Berlin Wall or the Kennedy Assassination. Things are not going to go back to normal for a lot of people, it's not the same world awaiting us at the other side of the door. With changing moods comes a change in the culture we like.

Social Justice are luxury politics at the end of the day, and cape movies flourished during the times when America was slowly recovering economically. It's going to be different now.

Isn't the biggest complaint about the MCU that it doesn't take itself seriously enough? That "everything remotely poignant needs to capped with a shitty joke"?

Look Kill, I get it some of the whiners are stupid and I get that you like these films. But this isn't 12 months ago anymore. Things are different and very uncertain now. It would be like if they made Nazi propaganda in post war Germany when the Nazi's have been defeated, despite the populace not wanting that at fucking all. It's just out of touch and tone deaf.

I will bet you so much money that the next phase of MCU movies (We'll go ahead and treat BW as a Far From Home style 'epilogue' of the last one) isn't going to be dramatically different from the one before it. Not even six months ago people were all pissed off that allegedly the Doctor Strange 2 director walked off the job angry because they weren't letting him make the movie like a real horror movie, now all of a sudden people are concerned that Marvel movies of all things are going to be too real and grim for the masses?

 

[InsolentGaylord]

Isn't the biggest complaint about the MCU that it doesn't take itself seriously enough? That "everything remotely poignant needs to capped with a shitty joke"?

Well the issue to me is they can't blend the campiness with seriousness well at all. It just feels super jarring rather than blending together smoothly like butter. So serious moments feel lacking because they try to make it funny, and silly moments also feel lacking because they try to make it feel serious. It just creates massive "blah".

I will bet you so much money that the next phase of MCU movies (We'll go ahead and treat BW as a Far From Home style 'epilogue' of the last one) isn't going to be dramatically different from the one before it. Not even six months ago people were all pissed off that allegedly the Doctor Strange 2 director walked off the job angry because they weren't letting him make the movie like a real horror movie, now all of a sudden people are concerned that Marvel movies of all things are going to be too real and grim for the masses?

You...really missed the point right? This isn't about "grim and horror", this is about lecturing the audience with passive aggressive political ideology, which imo is far more depressing than a violent and horrifying MCU movie since that can actually be fun. But the former, isn't fun and is just insanely dull and usually badly written (but again I know you are just here to be an aggrivator because you think it's amusing but I will humor you still).

Escapist entertainment, I'm sorry, can not do that crap because it will just bore and not feel escapist to the audience, it will feel like they are on twitter reading a crazy blue checkmark's ramblings.

But hey, this is all theoretical, though you seem super sure they won't go down this direction (despite the Captain Marvel push and the people behind Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk saying otherwise), so I will respect you for thinking that. Just in my opinion, I think they will either reconsider some of their choices, or they will just end up doing it and turning into another Star Wars/Doctor Who/Star Trek situation in which people will still watch, just it will quickly become more and more irrelevant.

I mean you remember how Dana Schwartz acted on twitter? Right?

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

You...really missed the point right? This isn't about "grim and horror", this is about lecturing the audience with passive aggressive political ideology, which imo is far more depressing than a violent and horrifying MCU movie since that can actually be fun. But the former, isn't fun and is just insanely dull and usually badly written (but again I know you are just here to be an aggrivator because you think it's amusing but I will humor you still).

Escapist entertainment, I'm sorry, can not do that crap because it will just bore and not feel escapist to the audience, it will feel like they are on twitter reading a crazy blue checkmark's ramblings.

Right but see this is literally exactly what I said in the first post. What "wokeness" and "IdPol" are you expecting from these new movies? The fact that these big corporations are going to bend the knee to China (especially if we're hit harder by Coronachan than they are/will be in the next wave of the pandemic) is a known fact, and that their Commiebux are going to be worth even more, making American politics (which again there's no indication they're doing) even less appealing.

I will bet you so much money you're not going to see any more "wokeness" going forward than you did in Captain Marvel, unless you're counting them utilizing more darkies. In which case you had no reason to sarcastically reference "YEAH UH SURE SURE THAT'S MY PROBLEM YEAH...".

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

Bella Thorne? Maybe if she cools off from the meth and shaved her legs.

Way more fuckable than current Mj thou.

We need a fun fantastic four reboot with a horndog Johnny Storm and a lovable Ben Grimm getting pranked by the Yancy Street gang and a corny ass Mole man to slap around. Find a young Seann William Scott type to play Johnny extra smartass and irresponsible.
People will love that.

No grimdark shit in it whatsoever.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Way more fuckable than current Mj thou.

We need a fun fantastic four reboot with a horndog Johnny Storm and a lovable Ben Grimm getting pranked by the Yancy Street gang and a corny ass Mole man to slap around. Find a young Seann William Scott type to play Johnny extra smartass and irresponsible.
People will love that.

No grimdark shit in it whatsoever.

This but unironically.

 

[Absolutego]

Right but see this is literally exactly what I said in the first post. What "wokeness" and "IdPol" are you expecting from these new movies? The fact that these big corporations are going to bend the knee to China (especially if we're hit harder by Coronachan than they are/will be in the next wave of the pandemic) is a known fact, and that their Commiebux are going to be worth even more, making American politics (which again there's no indication they're doing) even less appealing.

I will bet you so much money you're not going to see any more "wokeness" going forward than you did in Captain Marvel, unless you're counting them utilizing more darkies. In which case you had no reason to sarcastically reference "YEAH UH SURE SURE THAT'S MY PROBLEM YEAH...".

Ignoring the obvious retardation of expecting the USA will be hit harder by this pandemic than the country that's been doggedly lying about literally everything related to their response to the virus, why are you assuming Chinabux are going to be worth jack shit post-virus? Because the USA devalued our currency via the money printer?
I expect any and all wokeness will be minimized in future MCU movies because a) the trend is passe, b) the virus put a major dent in Disney's willingness to piss off domestic audiences, and c) wokeness in the MCU in general is overblown, but saying it's because they have to cater to China amidst all the current chaos doesn't make a ton of sense.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Ignoring the obvious exceptionalism of expecting the USA will be hit harder by this pandemic than the country that's been doggedly lying about literally everything related to their response to the virus, why are you assuming Chinabux are going to be worth jack shit post-virus? Because the USA devalued our currency via the money printer?
I expect any and all wokeness will be minimized in future MCU movies because a) the trend is passe, b) the virus put a major dent in Disney's willingness to piss off domestic audiences, and c) wokeness in the MCU in general is overblown, but saying it's because they have to cater to China amidst all the current chaos doesn't make a ton of sense.

Lol they literally added scenes in Iron Man 3 where the Chinese helped save Tony for no other reason than to try and appeal to the Chinese more.

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I assumed studios cucking to China was common knowledge at this point.