Marvel Cinematic Universe

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Stab You in the Back dijo:
A dip compared to what, though? Phase 3 films ranged from $600 million to $3 billion. Phase 2's lowest film was, I think, Ant-Man with only $500 million. Captain America: First Avenger was the only MCU film not to break $400 million worldwide (not counting Incredible Hulk, which only grossed $250 million). Is $400 million the line? $500 million? Or $600 million? At what point can we step back and say, "oh this shit is failing."
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It will eventually it just going to be hard to notice it at first unless it outright implodes at most I think it just going to be a slow burn instead people will eventually get sick of superhero movies like most trends like zombie movies or FPS in video games and move on.
 
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The Shadow dijo:
I know Guardians was successful despite being relative unknowns, but FFS I used to be an avid Marvel reader and couldn't tell you who Shang Chi or The Eternals are.
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They were successful because they were charismatic, relatable, and looked weird but were designed in a way that appealed to general audiences. Especially with a badass talking Raccoon with guns and a tree monster that can only say the same three words. Also the big name actors probably helped.
It looked like a very fun movie with good characters, which it was. But apparently because this worked, it means a character with minus the charisma and likeability can make a billion on the name alone according to a few (two actually) others in this thread. Except they made money not because of them, but their supposed connection to other movies.

The Eternals so far sounds unrelatable and kinda boring in comparison, the characters are basically demi-gods but from the sounds of it lack a more human character to play off. I mean look at this.

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It just looks so insanely boring...they don't even resemble the characters from the comics because of Marvel's obsession with shoving non-white actors into everything just "because" (rather than actual talent or because "it just works"), but even on their own merits they look more like minor characters that work within the political system of the in movie universe (like from a Star Wars prequel or some shit), which means they look like NPCs for the most part basically. Have absolutely no interest in this...even Captain Marvel was more interesting from the controversy alone and her character being awful.

Again I have no clue if it will break a billion but it depends on how the trailers look considering Marvel/Disney are losing touch with what their audience actually want. Which is fun characters with good stories (and some eyecandy but that's mainly leaning for the women because Thor).
 
The Shadow dijo:
I know Guardians was successful despite being relative unknowns, but FFS I used to be an avid Marvel reader and couldn't tell you who Shang Chi or The Eternals are.
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One of the things Marvel has always been good at is chasing trends and exploiting it for their own use.

Luke Cage was created during the period pop culture was big on blaxploitation films. They also brought him back in the early 90s looking like he fell out of a New Jack Swing music video, and again in the late 90s when they depicted him as some kind of hardcore gangsta.

Punisher was made in the shadow of Bronson's "Death Wish."

Ghost Rider was brought in twice, once to exploit the "Easy Rider" and psychedelic culture in the 70's, and once again to absorb more of that grim n' gritty comic bux in the 90s.

Shang-Chi was created back in the 70's back when Western audiences were eating up Kung Fu movies. Marvel saw a big pile of money and decided to exploit that. He's had a few, few bit pieces here and there, (usually wheeled out for when more interesting heroes are visiting China), but he's been pretty much a D-list back burner character for close to a half a century.

And the Eternals, I'm completely in agreement with you on that. Hell, until recently whenever I've seen art of Eternals, I always thought it was DC's New Gods. To that end, I'm not not really buying into this - feels a lot like Inhumans 2.0
 
Stab You in the Back dijo:
A dip compared to what, though? Phase 3 films ranged from $600 million to $3 billion. Phase 2's lowest film was, I think, Ant-Man with only $500 million. Captain America: First Avenger was the only MCU film not to break $400 million worldwide (not counting Incredible Hulk, which only grossed $250 million). Is $400 million the line? $500 million? Or $600 million? At what point can we step back and say, "oh this shit is failing."
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All I mean is this phase will probably make less money then the previous ones because most of the old actors have left and Disney's taking a gamble with political correctness.

It won't be a catastrophic failure more an awkward speedbump as the MCU tries to find it's footing without Iron Man until we get to phase 5 with the X-Men/Fantastic Four.
 
_blank_ dijo:
One of the things Marvel has always been good at is chasing trends and exploiting it for their own use.

Luke Cage was created during the period pop culture was big on blaxploitation films. They also brought him back in the early 90s looking like he fell out of a New Jack Swing music video, and again in the late 90s when they depicted him as some kind of hardcore gangsta.

Punisher was made in the shadow of Bronson's "Death Wish."

Ghost Rider was brought in twice, once to exploit the "Easy Rider" and psychedelic culture in the 70's, and once again to absorb more of that grim n' gritty comic bux in the 90s.

Shang-Chi was created back in the 70's back when Western audiences were eating up Kung Fu movies. Marvel saw a big pile of money and decided to exploit that. He's had a few, few bit pieces here and there, (usually wheeled out for when more interesting heroes are visiting China), but he's been pretty much a D-list back burner character for close to a half a century.

And the Eternals, I'm completely in agreement with you on that. Hell, until recently whenever I've seen art of Eternals, I always thought it was DC's New Gods. To that end, I'm not not really buying into this - feels a lot like Inhumans 2.0
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I'm realizing now the reason I don't know who Shang Chi is, is because they're not calling him Master of Kung Fu. I only remember him from some backup stories in Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine.

The Eternals have such a lame and lifeless name, too. X-Men sounds cool. Avengers sound ready for action. Guardians of the Galaxy works in its own corny way. Eternals sounds more like some stock Lovecraft-light deities.
 
I still don't think Madden is bi. He dated literal 19 year old girls. Creep.

Also hes supposedly fucking Sersei in the film so that negates that.
 
www.cinemablend.com

New MCU Rumors About Professor X and Magneto Have Marvel Fans Worked Up

Will Magneto and Professor X be people of color in the MCU?
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wegotthiscovered.com

Marvel May Cast A Person Of Color As The MCU's Kitty Pryde

Following the news that Marvel may cast a person of color as Magneto and Professor X, we're now hearing they may do the same for the MCU's Kitty Pryde.
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I don't know how accurate these sites are but Allegedly, they sites claim that Marvel is interested in casting POCs to play Magneto/Prof X and the second link "claims" they're looking in doing the same with Kitty Pryde. Which is making some people outraged.

I wouldn't be surprised with the more "inclusive" and "diverse" direction that the MCU is "moving towards".

I think all three of them are Jewish. If Disney really wanted to cause a shitstorm, they'd cast Israeli actors that resemble those characters to play them. Israelis are Asian and aren't Asians "POC"? Then watch the sperging on social media arguing why they're not "Asian", that it's whitewashing because no "Asian" can look "Caucasian" whatsoever and or some excuse to write a think piece on why they hate Israel.
 
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friedshrimp dijo:
Watch Disney trying to explain how was there a black man in 1940s Warsaw.
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A defense I've read of this is that it makes sense to change the character because Magneto would be too old to be alive now and being an holocaust survivor. They are suggesting that Magneto then becomes a character who has survived something else, like, being a war prisoner, a child soldier, or a refugee.

This has all the potential of being funny because it implies that the Holocaust was comparable to any other recent mass tragedy and we know there are certain people who don't like this kind of ideas running around.

Double funny when you see the same "Ariel is black, lol!" crowd being mad at the erasure of Jewish identity.
 
I'm going to be honest, this is probably due to a personal lolcow of mine sperging out about it but I don't think people should be angry about the Magneto news until it's like outright confirmed and not just speculation or rumors.
 
Khmer Rouge wouldn't work, it didn't overwhelmingly target a specific minority like the Nazis did. None of the other examples given would parallel and explain why Magneto is a supremacist regarding mutants, because he knows that they'd be wiped out just like the Jews given the chance. A Holocaust survivor would absolutely still be the way to go.

That's the absolute least of their problems, though. Their biggest problem is explaining where the fuck the mutants have been all this time and tying them into the wider world of superheroes, which is hard enough in the comics but nearly impossible here. If they decide to reveal that they've been in hiding this entire time as the next big arc, jellycar is right. They should just drop Professor X and Magneto. Making them closer in age or younger than the Avengers and their students defeats the point.
 
HeyYou dijo:
a specific minority like the Nazis did.
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the nazis targeted lots of minorities however much A Specific Minority may try to claim exclusive ownership of nazi targeting
I figured unsnap-ing would accidentally make mutants, but they've got the High Evolutionary on the table for the next phase or two iirc, so there's that, but yeah it'll be a tough fit no matter what.
 
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