Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Nick Obre]

Nobody cared about the Guardians of the Galaxy before the first movie came out, but now they're a household name.

I keep having to say this, but the Guardians were pretty popular with people who cared about comics for years before the movie. They weren't the complete unknowns people make them out to be.

They and Nova were front and center in the best line of comics Marvel put out from the mid 2000's to the early 2010's. They were popular enough to get Nova and Rocket into MVC3 (to avoid confusion, this is the last good MVC, not the one where they took out all the X-Men and F4 characters and filled the roster with MCU shitters), and to appear, in their pre-movie forms and lineup, in several cartoons.

They weren't, for instance, the Eternals, who truly no one cared about and a brand not even (at the time and not yet cancelled) the "best comic book writer" Neil Gaiman could successfully revive.

Yeah, the mainstream public didn't know about the Guardians. But they had a strong following and were an attractive set of characters with good, recent stories and concepts they could draw from.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

A big part of the problem with doing anything post-Endgame is that they made no effort to set anything new up before Endgame to lead into. Even if they had good writers and chose good sources the big chain theaters demand big capeshit releases in their slate and they can't afford to wait another 11 years for a new crop of 2 billion+ grossers to mature; Disney would have been strong armed by their investor partners into bumrushing through the Krull and Doom shit anyway. It's a slurry of retarded corporate decisions across the entire film industry that doomed the MCU long-term.

It doesn't help that the things they did build up were more on the villains than the heroes.

Quantumania's sole reason for existing was to introduce Kang, and most of the marketing for Doomsday is hyping up Doctor Doom.

There's no real sense of connection between the heroes or buildup to something greater.

• Hulk, Hawkeye, and Ant-Man are retired
• Vision's MIA
• The Eternals are still doing fuck all because the Deviants are still doing fuck all
• Nobody knows who Spider-Man is
• Moon Knight is doing whatever Khonshu needs him to do
• Doctor Strange and Wong are just bouncing around the multiverse with Shang-Chi and Awkwafina supposedly tagging along
• Captain Marvel, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and Nick Fury are all doing their own thing in space
• Miss Marvel and Kate Bishop are forming their own team
• Thor is probably training Love to be a god
• She-Hulk is doing lawyer stuff
• All of Wakanda is still struggling to recover from the battle with Atlantis Talokan
• Wiccan and Agatha's ghost are looking for Tommy
• The Suicide Squad Thunderbolts are doing whatever the government needs them to do
• And then there's all the other heroes who are just doing generic superhero stuff and don't know what other heroes are doing.

Nobody's reformed the Avengers, even though we're approaching the fifth Avengers movie. There's no hierarchy or "big league" hero teams to center the universe around. It's why the world feels so cluttered and disjointed.

I keep having to say this, but the Guardians were pretty popular with people who cared about comics for years before the movie. They weren't the complete unknowns people make them out to be.

They and Nova were front and center in the best line of comics Marvel put out from the mid 2000's to the early 2010's. They were popular enough to get Nova and Rocket into MVC3 (to avoid confusion, this is the last good MVC, not the one where they took out all the X-Men and F4 characters and filled the roster with MCU shitters), and to appear, in their pre-movie forms and lineup, in several cartoons.

They weren't, for instance, the Eternals, who truly no one cared about and a brand not even (at the time and not yet cancelled) the "best comic book writer" Neil Gaiman could successfully revive.

Yeah, the mainstream public didn't know about the Guardians. But they had a strong following and were an attractive set of characters with good, recent stories and concepts they could draw from.

Sorry, I didn't know that. I've never read their comics and I was only in high school when the first movie came out.

 

[Mac Monster]

Surprised no one mentioned Brie Larson isn't in this film, bascially she went from being fucking everywhere in 2019 to

She'll probably have a small role in Secret Wars, but afterwards I wholly expect them to retire her character, which is fine considering how much of an unlikeable cunt she is.

 

[The Nothingness]

Surprised no one mentioned Brie Larson isn't in this film, bascially she went from being fucking everywhere in 2019 to

Grace Randolph made a big stink about Captain Marvel and other female characters not being announced.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

I keep having to say this, but the Guardians were pretty popular with people who cared about comics for years before the movie. They weren't the complete unknowns people make them out to be.

They and Nova were front and center in the best line of comics Marvel put out from the mid 2000's to the early 2010's. T

the problem is in comparison the amount of people reading Marvel comics by the late-2000s was fuck all. the team went from being created in 08 to a movie in 014 meaning effectively after they first launched that a movie was announced. it would be like making a deadpool movie in 1997 or suicide squad in 1993, like WoM wasn't big enough outside of the fanbase yet.

Look at IronHeart, thats a similarly quick turn around time and literally no one is excited for it.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

the problem is in comparison the amount of people reading Marvel comics by the late-2000s was fuck all. the team went from being created in 08 to a movie in 014 meaning effectively after they first launched that a movie was announced. it would be like making a deadpool movie in 1997 or suicide squad in 1993, like WoM wasn't big enough outside of the fanbase yet.

Look at IronHeart, thats a similarly quick turn around time and literally no one is excited for it.

It is possible that many people see a property, know little about it, but think Huh, that's a comic thing, I know Jeff is into comics, I'll ask him if this is a character that might have a good story. So they ask Jeff.

"Hey, is this Ironheart character anything worth buying a ticket for? Does she have any interesting stories?"

and Jeff, who does read comics, is stuck replying "Fuck no; she was an attempt by Marvel to introduce yet another Megagenius into the marvel universe that no one has ever heard of while Tony Stark was in a convoluted storyline coma from Civil War II and his AI "ghost" acted as her mentor. She appeared in multiple storylines and books without ever having enough character to make any existing comic fan interested in following her. But she is black, female, and smarter than Reed Richards, so you better support her books Chuddie. Also the appearance she did have onscreen in Black Panther 2 made her into a murderer without any appreciable intelligence or wit and she was useless there as well."

 

[Tasty Tatty]

There is Mystique (Rebecca Romjin), and I am sure they will successfully beg Halle Berry enough to come back.

I keep having to say this, but the Guardians were pretty popular with people who cared about comics for years before the movie. They weren't the complete unknowns people make them out to be.

I recently was introduced to what the Guardians are in comics and cartoon and the contrast to whatever Gunn did in the movie is abysmal. They exist in name only. A lot of characters end up being famous for being something they truly aren't.

There's no real sense of connection between the heroes or buildup to something greater.

And don't forget that the X-Men likely will then just show up and start existing.

She'll probably have a small role in Secret Wars, but afterwards I wholly expect them to retire her character, which is fine considering how much of an unlikeable cunt she is.

There is one way to retire her:

Spoiler

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

There is Mystique (Rebecca Romjin), and I am sure they will successfully beg Halle Berry enough to come back.


I recently was introduced to what the Guardians are in comics and cartoon and the contrast to whatever Gunn did in the movie is abysmal. They exist in name only. A lot of characters end up being famous for being something they truly aren't.


And don't forget that the X-Men likely will then just show up and start existing.


There is one way to retire her:

Spoiler

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Need a how like was shown in Uncanny X-Men 269.

Spoiler

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[King Metalia]

Grace Randolph made a big stink about Captain Marvel and other female characters not being announced.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OONEbH-JQxo

Oh we're in for it now boys, a feminists feelings are hurt. But seriously I really really dislike Grace Randolph.

 

[Gede labah]

I would like for the xmen played by returning cast members to start their story in their existing universe, and then when they travel into the mainline MCU universe by whatever means, they become fully CGI, and that's just how the the x gene works in the MCU universe. And whenever a new mutant goes through puberty and activates their x gene, they become CGI too. That would be their obvious signifier as a minority - that they're CGI and everyone in the world can see that they're obviously visibly different. I don't care if it this is a stupid idea or not because I don't care about these movies anymore.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

I really really dislike Grace Randolph.

I dislike her too, but I also dislike John Campea, and when they both went at it, I was highly amused.

Shill v Shrill: The Final Retardation

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

I recently was introduced to what the Guardians are in comics and cartoon and the contrast to whatever Gunn did in the movie is abysmal. They exist in name only. A lot of characters end up being famous for being something they truly aren't.

thats another great point. even Gunn argued it because technically someone else wrote the intial script for GOTG which was more similar to the comics and Gunn argued that they were practically a different IP. Stuff like the classic songs, the characterizations, the banter were all not there in the comics and are Gunn originals.

In a way it does make me wonder if Gunn didn't just do what the cunts over at the Halo Tv Show or resident evil tv show or TLJ did and just forced his original script into a "well known" IP, only for it to work a lot better because of how much better Gunn's script actually was.

like what if Gunn had a script back in 2009 called "great space buddies" and couldn't get people to make it and didn't want it made by troma but he lucked out with the MCU deal.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

In a way it does make me wonder if Gunn didn't just do what the cunts over at the Halo Tv Show or resident evil tv show or TLJ did and just forced his original script into a "well known" IP, only for it to work a lot better because of how much better Gunn's script actually was.

I think he doesn't really like comics and thinks they aren't serious or "adult" enough, so he treats them like anything else. His take on "adult" media is farts, swearing, sex, and things a kid would consider adult. He's not serious because he can't think of them as a serious media, and even in moments of seriousness, he needs to add some childishness. This is, unfortunately, not just a Gunn problem.

People hate the Snyderverse -and I don't mean to start a fight, this is just my personal opinion, treat it as such- but I can believe Superman and Batman are in their 30s for how they act. Meanwhile, Starlord is mentally 12 and Drax acts like he has mental retardation.

This is how the GotG really behave.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

This is how the GotG really behave.

to be fair this sort of "self serious" stuff wouldn't work, The Incredible Hulk and thor films were all about that. It only worked in Captain America Winter Soldier because of the twist.

GOTG really was a "breath of fresh air" for the MCU, at the time every movie not featuring RDJ both sucked and was very self serious with the lamest comic relief bits.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

to be fair this sort of "self serious" stuff wouldn't work, The Incredible Hulk and thor films were all about that. It only worked in Captain America Winter Soldier because of the twist.

GOTG really was a "breath of fresh air" for the MCU, at the time every movie not featuring RDJ both sucked and was very self serious with the lamest comic relief bits.

I have no problem with the comedy, but Gunn overuses it. The "humor" here is the characters just laughing at each other.

 

[Twin Addler]

I think he doesn't really like comics and thinks they aren't serious or "adult" enough, so he treats them like anything else. His take on "adult" media is farts, swearing, sex, and things a kid would consider adult. He's not serious because he can't think of them as a serious media, and even in moments of seriousness, he needs to add some childishness. This is, unfortunately, not just a Gunn problem.

People hate the Snyderverse -and I don't mean to start a fight, this is just my personal opinion, treat it as such- but I can believe Superman and Batman are in their 30s for how they act. Meanwhile, Starlord is mentally 12 and Drax acts like he has mental retardation.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eVvnGH_Pwrw
This is how the GotG really behave.

Oh, Earth's Mightiest Heroes. You were taken too soon from us

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

I have no problem with the comedy, but Gunn overuses it. The "humor" here is the characters just laughing at each other.

you're right, but the team being "comedic" is a big reason they stand out and are a fuck load more beloved than other parts of the MCU.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I am disappointed if the Fantastic 4 movie doesn't include this scene.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

I am disappointed if the Fantastic 4 movie doesn't include this scene.

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pretty crazy how one of the most notorious assholes of Marvel is being white washed by the MCU, no way in hell will they depict Pedro as an asshole. he's going to be mr.woke.

 

[Mr. 0]

An alleged first draft of Avengers: The Kang Dynasty has turned up:

https://archive.org/details/the-kang-dynasty-early-draft/