Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Oats12345]

I'm just saying what my hunch is. Very possible that I'm wrong. I'm just reading into the company that was underwhelmed by Age of Ultron only making 1.4 billion, 100 million less than the first Avengers movie. As it stands, if the downward trajectory that Hollywood/Chinese relations have taken, not to mention the Middle-East banning their movies, I would suggest that Marvel start updating their expectations as well. Mind you, I think Doctor Strange 2 is far from the failure many are claiming it to be. I just think that Disney wants more out of these movies.

Disney doesn't seem to understand that movies like Avengers and Endgame were special for their own reasons and shouldn't be considered the norm for box offices.

 

[El Goblina]

The average audience member who hasn't seen Wandavision? Maybe that's why the film doesn't do so hot.

I never touched Wandavision. Dr. Strange 1 competes with Iron Man 1 for best introductory MCU film, IMO. I did not feel in any sense that I was missing anything from Wandavision, except when the green orchard illusion shattered. I wondered if that might have been some kind of reference. Otherwise, her arc was complete enough. I didn't even correctly predict that Wanda was the antagonist. Coming out of the trailer, I figured the antagonist was going to be some kind of multiverse defense force. Arguably that's what the main other universe was, functionally, but it was all contained in that universe. I felt it was a letdown, as that was about high-tech means and not the mystical means that I associate with Strange.

Disney is betting the farm on SJW bullshit, but audiences don't like it. It's not good story-telling, it's pandering. I wonder if corporate will ever grapple with the reality that the barefaced pandering they're doing is going to cost them money.

 

[Gar For Archer]

@dak Soon. Corporations cannot afford woke virtue signaling during a depression. Least of all Disney, which is still reeling from the effect of COVID on their parks, the disappointing Disney+ numbers, the utter destruction of the Star Wars IP and the overpriced Fox buyout.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

Corporations cannot afford woke virtue signaling during a depression.

I was going to argue with you then I looked up the facts and allegedly (I don't know how to read markets) their worth has dropped by $160,000,000,000 in the last two months. So, uhh, I'll take that "OPTIMISTIC" rating away from you. Sorry, so sorry.

 

[The Valeyard]

Disney+ Just Edited Iron Man 3 Short to Censor Racial Slur

The racial slur mentioned by the headline is cracker

 

[Stab You in the Back]

In all seriousness though I feel bad for rami and Dr strange 2.

I wouldn't. Dr. Strange 2 has already made more than any other Disney MCU film since Endgame, easily trouncing The Eternals, Shang Chi and Black Widow.

That said, its not surprising the movie doesn't have legs. Doctor Strange 2 is easily the most comic book-like film of the MCU and assumes that audiences are familiar enough with the material to understand what's going on. Considering the ABSOLUTELY RETARDED questions/complaints people have expressed in this topic, its clear that Raimi miscalculated how savvy the audience actually is.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

So let's

Disney+ Just Edited Iron Man 3 Short to Censor Racial Slur

The racial slur mentioned by the headline is cracker

Don't worry. I'm sure it's uncensored on all the other streaming services carrying it.

 

[TinCan Wizard]

A Marvel movie finally does something slightly different, and the soys get PTSD because it doesn't have enough cameos and quips. Whedon's writing has been a disaster for entertainment.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

People need to look at this objectively. The thing made 600 million in ten days with no China, and it's not going to streaming next week. It'll have legs. 600 million was about what Doctor Strange 1 did in it's entire run, and 2016 was peak MCU shillary. Whether or not people liked it (and I'll put the shill hat right back on and say a healthy chunk of the films detractors have retarded reasons for disliking it), this thing is far from a flop. The "grand finale" was just, shockingly, treated as a massive spectacle and received massive spectacle money.


Sam did good and he was reward with a healthy box office. I have no idea what people assume this was going to make, but 600 million barely two full weeks from release doesn't smell like failure to me.

Yea, I don’t see the doom and gloom in this. Spider-Man is just more popular than Doctor Strange. $600 million is probably fine considering Shang-Chi and Ant-Man made less and they have sequels being pumped out.

 

[Oats12345]

A Marvel movie finally does something slightly different, and the soys get PTSD because it doesn't have enough cameos and quips. Whedon's writing has been a disaster for entertainment.

That's one of the reasons i hate Whedon so much. Also I'm happy there isn't a ton of media references. The soys can go suck it. I like the movie because of it.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

With no real competition it had a Friday to Friday drop off of 81% and Variety is predicting a second weekend drop of 67%. It's also getting CinemaScore audience score of B+ and metacritic scores of 6.3 (I've long since abandoned RT as a credible source). Legs? Maybe but maybe not.

That first Friday also had Thursday previews built into it, so the 81% drop is inflated. These Marvel movies have never really had great legs, especially the ones that open high. I’ll agree that this is not ideal, but acting like this is a uniquely disastrous performance is incredibly disingenuous

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

All this talk about "Needing 1$B to break even" really reminds me of gaming in 2016. The result of it was a massive slow down and eventual dark age of game releases lasting to this day.

 

[The Nothingness]

Disney+ Just Edited Iron Man 3 Short to Censor Racial Slur

The racial slur mentioned by the headline is cracker

How is that a racial slur since white people cannot be victims of racism

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

easily trouncing The Eternals, Shang Chi and Black Widow.

Ooh.

High bar.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

Dr. Strange 2 has already made more than any other Disney MCU film since Endgame, easily trouncing The Eternals, Shang Chi and Black Widow.

Pyrrhic victory. They'd better introduce a proper Big Bad soon to get people willing to see all the movies for the clues. They should've been doing that right after End Game. I guess they keep having the multiverse so obviously that's a clue but that's too vague. You have to show the villain on screen to give the monkeys something to clap at.

Shang-Chi and Ant-Man made less and they have sequels being pumped out.

Shang-Chi will get a sequel because executives think making a chink movie will open the doors to China. It's why Spider-Man got a fat Asian friend for his movies and Dr. Strange elevates Wong so much. Ant-Mans aren't Marvel movies imo the audience is just going for Honey, I Shrunk The Kids for adults.

 

[Cat tit bingo]

The problem is not breaking even, the problem is making enough money to fuel like 6 other movies after this one. You can see all the people in the credits for this factory and everyone is a weekly check.
Almost every studio want the tent pole strategy to work but all it takes is one "under performance" to sweep the feet of the entire studio. Genuinely how many dc films do you think where scraped cause they expected to have a billion dollars from justice league.
Things like Shang chi and antman matter a whole lot less for movie profits cause there already payed for by endgame, they just need movies to fill out the supports and get more characters that people will attach to so they can get every little piece of merch

 

[Polyboros2]

Genuinely how many dc films do you think where scraped cause they expected to have a billion dollars from justice league.

Not enough.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The problem is not breaking even, the problem is making enough money to fuel like 6 other movies after this one. You can see all the people in the credits for this factory and everyone is a weekly check.
Almost every studio want the tent pole strategy to work but all it takes is one "under performance" to sweep the feet of the entire studio. Genuinely how many dc films do you think where scraped cause they expected to have a billion dollars from justice league.
Things like Shang chi and antman matter a whole lot less for movie profits cause there already payed for by endgame, they just need movies to fill out the supports and get more characters that people will attach to so they can get every little piece of merch

The issue with the DC films is that Justice League and Batman v Superman were both meant to be seen as the DC's version of Avengers in terms of big events, and Warner Bros failed to realize that. Whereas with Marvel, of course they won't expect every single movie to make billions.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I want her to become a female version of the villain from this episode of Star Trek:The Next Generation:

I think it's been left clear in the ST thread that modern scriptwriters have never watched TNG beyond the Borg episodes. And by the Borg episodes I mean only BoBW. And my "watched", I meant read the wiki entry. Not even Memory Alpha.

4) I don’t get why Wanda couldn’t just…recreate her kids. Like the only thing about the Hex people found morally objectionable was the fact that she held people hostage with mind control, there’s literally nothing stopping her from fucking off into the woods and building herself a mini hex where her and the boys can live happily ever after...until they hit puberty and start wanting more independence at least.

They establish dreams are windows into other people's lives. and every night she has dreams of enjoying life with real life kids, after the wandavision shit I suppose that was enough to make her go crazy. It's rather nebulous who the actual father is in these other dimensions but it was pretty interesting.

It's interesting, specially for the part that, in theory, none of those kids are her kids and they don't belong to any continuity: she made them up. @Elysian is right: her best chance is to recreate the kids again.

The plot about the children is lame if you actually watched WandaVision. She was very powerful when she wasn't very aware of her own powers, but she has no excuse or reason now to not control them and create another reality for herself and bring them again, those exact kids. They are, after all, a creation of her magic, not part of some universe.

It'd made more sense, as a plot, if she had indeed created her own reality or is learning to make it more realistic (so she can't be contained within a closed area as she did in WV) and Strange wanted her to shut it off.

Benedict Cumberbatch probably had to spend several weeks in intense chiropractic treatment from having to carry the film's dogshit plot on his back.

That's funny considering most people talk about Wanda and the cameos than about him. He got cucked out of his own movie.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Shang-Chi will get a sequel because executives think making a chink movie will open the doors to China. It's why Spider-Man got a fat Asian friend for his movies and Dr. Strange elevates Wong so much. Ant-Mans aren't Marvel movies imo the audience is just going for Honey, I Shrunk The Kids for adults.

fwiw imo Shang-chi was also objectively pretty good, and a solid way to build a new character from the ground up with (comparatively, anyway) no heavy dependence on a pre-existing franchise or character.