Marvel Cinematic Universe

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Didn't they try that? Iirc she said that that wasn't good enough, she wanted to have full control of the power and not just have it on call.

Did she? And she’s still seen as good?

I just saw the image online and thought it was funny.
She said she needed the full power because there wasa possibly the children could get sick or injured.She wanted backups.

Really don't undersatnd why anyone is surprised by her actions Wanda has always been portrayed in the comics as not being sane and not being someone to be trusted.

A vs X had huge ass arcs to show how untrusted she was by Legacy.
 
I’m assuming they explained away that psychopathic way of thinking by saying she was possessed by the book thing, yeah?
No. It did not feel that way to me.
In the end America gives her EXACLTY what she wants and she ends up being ported in front of her children who start screaming at her like shes a monster. Pretty much breaks her out of it so instead she turns suicidal and "kills" herself to destroy teh darkholme.
 
I’m assuming they explained away that psychopathic way of thinking by saying she was possessed by the book thing, yeah?
Considering Dr. Strange ends up reading the book and all he gets in the movie is a shitty cgi third eye I think its still meant to be taken that she was responsible for her actions.
 
She said she needed the full power because there wasa possibly the children could get sick or injured.She wanted backups.

Really don't undersatnd why anyone is surprised by her actions Wanda has always been portrayed in the comics as not being sane and not being someone to be trusted.

A vs X had huge ass arcs to show how untrusted she was by Legacy.
She more or less wished most mutants out existence at one point because she was sick of being one.
 
Doesn't the opened third eye represent enlightenment in Buddhism?
I think it resembles in enlightenment in some far eastern mythic mambo jumbo but being an ignorant American who could care less about other cultures I can't be too sure which.


In all seriousness though I feel bad for rami and Dr strange 2. This box office plummet is almost a bit too harsh. I get people are tired of the over saturation of capes but rami made superheroes cool again once before. Guess it's true, lightning never strikes twice... Well in his case it did.. And only twice.


Sorry if this goes of my topic but it feels like Sam just keeps getting screwed over, and it's not that the guy has completely lost his touch as a director with age like say shaymalayin or Lucas. It's the studios that keep taking control of his vision and making into what they think will make money.
 
Doesn't the opened third eye represent enlightenment in Buddhism?
Hinduism actually, having an Indian homie comes really handy at times like these.
The concept of the third eye is an ancient one. One of the most powerful & important gods in Hinduism, Shiva, is often depicted with a third eye, representing his wisdom & enlightenment, but also representing the power of destruction. In the Sanskrit epic poem the Mahabharata, Shiva reduces Kama, the god of desire, into ashes with his third eye. The term third eye is recorded in English in the early 1800s.

Later in the 1800s, Russian occultist Helena Blavatsky, who co-founded the Theosophical Society, claimed that the third eye was a non-physical capacity for “inner vision” possessed by humanity’s ancestors. Blavatsky associated the third eye with the pineal gland, an association still made by some in spiritualist communities today. An article published by the Theosophical Society in the late 1800s connected (citing a source from Kolkata) the third eye with one of the chakras, spiritual energy centers in the body in Hindu tradition. Here, the third eye was specifically connected to the Ajna chakra, located in the forehead.

Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki, a Japanese scholar of Zen Buddhism, described in the 1960s the overcoming of ignorance as opening the third eye. The Atlantic, meanwhile, explored the connections between the third eye, chakras, the pineal gland, & new states of consciousness in a 1966 article titled “LSD and the Third Eye.” Third eye has also permeated more recent popular culture (e.g., San Francisco rock band, Third Eye Blind, who formed in 1993).
TL;DR - It's a representation of mystical intuition & insight. A symbol of clairvoyance of sorts.

There is major issue on this part tho, which is something that I've rarely seen anyone do. The eye is always vertical, it's never horizontal. It's not supposed to look like some cyclops eye.
 
In all seriousness though I feel bad for rami and Dr strange 2. This box office plummet is almost a bit too harsh. I get people are tired of the over saturation of capes but rami made superheroes cool again once before. Guess it's true, lightning never strikes twice... Well in his case it did.. And only twice.
People need to look at this objectively. The thing made 600 million in ten days with no China, and it's not going to streaming next week. It'll have legs. 600 million was about what Doctor Strange 1 did in it's entire run, and 2016 was peak MCU shillary. Whether or not people liked it (and I'll put the shill hat right back on and say a healthy chunk of the films detractors have retarded reasons for disliking it), this thing is far from a flop. The "grand finale" was just, shockingly, treated as a massive spectacle and received massive spectacle money.


Sam did good and he was reward with a healthy box office. I have no idea what people assume this was going to make, but 600 million barely two full weeks from release doesn't smell like failure to me.
 
People need to look at this objectively. The thing made 600 million in ten days with no China, and it's not going to streaming next week. It'll have legs. 600 million was about what Doctor Strange 1 did in it's entire run, and 2016 was peak MCU shillary. Whether or not people liked it (and I'll put the shill hat right back on and say a healthy chunk of the films detractors have retarded reasons for disliking it), this thing is far from a flop. The "grand finale" was just, shockingly, treated as a massive spectacle and received massive spectacle money.


Sam did good and he was reward with a healthy box office. I have no idea what people assume this was going to make, but 600 million barely two full weeks from release doesn't smell like failure to me.
With no real competition it had a Friday to Friday drop off of 81% and Variety is predicting a second weekend drop of 67%. It's also getting CinemaScore audience score of B+ and metacritic scores of 6.3 (I've long since abandoned RT as a credible source). Legs? Maybe but maybe not.
 
People need to look at this objectively. The thing made 600 million in ten days with no China, and it's not going to streaming next week. It'll have legs. 600 million was about what Doctor Strange 1 did in it's entire run, and 2016 was peak MCU shillary. Whether or not people liked it (and I'll put the shill hat right back on and say a healthy chunk of the films detractors have retarded reasons for disliking it), this thing is far from a flop. The "grand finale" was just, shockingly, treated as a massive spectacle and received massive spectacle money.


Sam did good and he was reward with a healthy box office. I have no idea what people assume this was going to make, but 600 million barely two full weeks from release doesn't smell like failure to me.
I think failure is subjective. 600 million is good for an average movie, but this is the MCU. A billion is not only expected, but the target for an average success in this franchise. Disney wants No Way Home to be the standard, not the outlier. In order to get those numbers it isn't just required for every MCU mark and their mother to see the movie, it requires every MCU mark and their mother to see it multiple times. No Way Home is the kind of movie that warranted those repeated viewings. This one... I'm not so sure.

It's not a failure by any objective means, but by subjective ones if it's the case that Disney expected more.
 
Why didn't Wanda just use her mind-control Hex powers to have the Boricua Alien hop her around until they hit a universe where her fake kids were real but had been orphaned? Seems like a low-cost, low-conflict fix to everyone's problem.


The movie does address this by having Dr Strange(I'm pretty sure, it might of been Wong) off this exact solution to Wanda, and she dismisses it. Besides just writing it off as the Darkhold's influencing her, she states that she wants the multiverse hopping powers for herself, incase anything is ever needed to save her children from disease or harm.
 
Kill the not-Avengers of a different universe
Well the Illuminati is its own thing, it's just the writers are lazy and didn't set it up properly and also put Sharon Carter in there which is kind of smart but also kind of dumb (again because it wasn't set up properly). One of the problems with these films/tv shows is all the fucking backstory. Because now when Fantastic Four comes out it will have little nods to this film but if you haven't seen this film it won't be a nod at all. Like I hadn't seen Wandavision so some stuff confused me but I rolled with it because brain don't need engage when MCU film. The average audience member who hasn't seen Wandavision? Maybe that's why the film doesn't do so hot.

The references to other films worked when you were watching every film because you cared about the characters and even if you didn't see Ant-Man it wasn't really important. Something tells me they're going to ratchet up the connections between properties to keep drawing fans in now that all their favorite characters are gone. Now you have to see it or you won't know what's going on. So exactly like how comics fell apart in the 90's. Maybe they can start making holo posters for the films.

Also if they introduce the Illuminati in the MCU proper and do a thing where it always existed, they will have to get Downey back for Tony Stark. I feel like with the Xavier cameo they will do exactly this. Never mind that it would fuck up continuity beyond belief.
 
I think failure is subjective. 600 million is good for an average movie, but this is the MCU. A billion is not only expected, but the target for an average success in this franchise. Disney wants No Way Home to be the standard, not the outlier. In order to get those numbers it isn't just required for every MCU mark and their mother to see the movie, it requires every MCU mark and their mother to see it multiple times. No Way Home is the kind of movie that warranted those repeated viewings. This one... I'm not so sure.

It's not a failure by any objective means, but by subjective ones if it's the case that Disney expected more.
600 mil in total? Yeah, not great. 600 mil in ten days? Not so much. Of the billion dollar Marvel movies, only 3 hit that with no Iron Man, one of them got there because of Endgame hype, and the other because Spider-Man is a money printer. As a follow up, someone offsite updated the ol "every movie needs twice it's budget to make a profit" thing, and insisted MCU movies need triple or quadruple their budget in order to go into their black. Even the most deluded producer alive would never try that more than once, let alone genuinely expect that as a solid business plan. Hell, it's really significantly closer to 700 than 600 at this point.

Regardless, I'd be shocked if anyone legitimately expects all of those characters, which weren't hitting a billion before, were going to get it after probably the most hyped sequel in a franchise that's probably the only thing more bankable than Iron Man at that point. Spider-Man sells Spider-Man tickets, Spider-Man movies don't sell based on the team banner.
 
I think failure is subjective. 600 million is good for an average movie, but this is the MCU. A billion is not only expected, but the target for an average success in this franchise. Disney wants No Way Home to be the standard, not the outlier. In order to get those numbers it isn't just required for every MCU mark and their mother to see the movie, it requires every MCU mark and their mother to see it multiple times. No Way Home is the kind of movie that warranted those repeated viewings. This one... I'm not so sure.

It's not a failure by any objective means, but by subjective ones if it's the case that Disney expected more.
Then it’s on them to reset their expectations. There’s no universe where every MCU movie smashes a billion+ in its first two weeks by default just for existing.
 
600 mil in total? Yeah, not great. 600 mil in ten days? Not so much. Of the billion dollar Marvel movies, only 3 hit that with no Iron Man, one of them got there because of Endgame hype, and the other because Spider-Man is a money printer. As a follow up, someone offsite updated the ol "every movie needs twice it's budget to make a profit" thing, and insisted MCU movies need triple or quadruple their budget in order to go into their black. Even the most deluded producer alive would never try that more than once, let alone genuinely expect that as a solid business plan. Hell, it's really significantly closer to 700 than 600 at this point.

Regardless, I'd be shocked if anyone legitimately expects all of those characters, which weren't hitting a billion before, were going to get it after probably the most hyped sequel in a franchise that's probably the only thing more bankable than Iron Man at that point. Spider-Man sells Spider-Man tickets, Spider-Man movies don't sell based on the team banner.
I'm just saying what my hunch is. Very possible that I'm wrong. I'm just reading into the company that was underwhelmed by Age of Ultron only making 1.4 billion, 100 million less than the first Avengers movie. As it stands, if the downward trajectory that Hollywood/Chinese relations have taken, not to mention the Middle-East banning their movies, I would suggest that Marvel start updating their expectations as well. Mind you, I think Doctor Strange 2 is far from the failure many are claiming it to be. I just think that Disney wants more out of these movies.
 
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