Marvel Cinematic Universe

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List of all 14 of the MCU shows in the works
Loki Season 2
What if? Season 2
Hawkeye
Moon Knight
She Hulk
Secret Invasion
Ms Marvel
Ironheart
Armor Wars
Wakanda
Echo
Agatha: House of Harkness
Spider-Man: Freshman Year
Marvel Zombies

That not counting one off specials and that is just the stuff we know of. I would be shocked if this level of milking didn't create some kind of superhero fatigue. I mean investment for MCU has changed from 7 to 10 hours to watch all the movies that year to a likely 40+ hours if not more depending on how many they put out a year. Not like the shows will be standalone many of them will tie into the MCU movies like Wandavision and Ms Marvel tieing in with Captin Marvel 2.

I get Disney needs programing for Disney+ but they need a variety of stuff, not just MCU, Star Wars, rehashing whatever Fox ip and shit that should be aired on the Disney Channel like Sneakerella rather than be a Disney+ original.

 

[starborn427614]

I think what Disney-Marvel actually wants is Miles Morales Spider-Man, but 1) he doesn't have the Q-rating of Peter Parker and 2) they have to play nice with Sony, so they're basically grafting Peter's head onto Miles's everything else. Fuck, they didn't even bother to do the backstory this time around- I don't remember, has Uncle Ben even been mentioned in this particular iteration of the character?

Ben's name is on Peter's luggage in the second film and he was directly named in What If? but that's not really the main MCU. Freshman Year will probably show him properly.

 

[Oats12345]

List of all 14 of the MCU shows in the works
Loki Season 2
What if? Season 2
Hawkeye
Moon Knight
She Hulk
Secret Invasion
Ms Marvel
Ironheart
Armor Wars
Wakanda
Echo
Agatha: House of Harkness
Spider-Man: Freshman Year
Marvel Zombies

That not counting one off specials and that is just the stuff we know of. I would be shocked if this level of milking didn't create some kind of superhero fatigue. I mean investment for MCU has changed from 7 to 10 hours to watch all the movies that year to a likely 40+ hours if not more depending on how many they put out a year. Not like the shows will be standalone many of them will tie into the MCU movies like Wandavision and Ms Marvel tieing in with Captin Marvel 2.

I get Disney needs programing for Disney+ but they need a variety of stuff, not just MCU, Star Wars, rehashing whatever Fox ip and shit that should be aired on the Disney Channel like Sneakerella rather than be a Disney+ original.

I wonder if the MCU's real downfall will be people giving up on it after not wanting to watch ten different shows just to understand two movies? I mean at least with the marvel tv shows before Disney+ they really didn't have anything to do with the movies and were just stated to take place in the same universe. Here you have characters who could show up in movies and actually have impact in the MCU.

 

[Terrifik]

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sorry for double dipping
yes about power ring due to inhumans flopping but main universe she part inhuman by blackbolt terrigin cloud bomb which side effect killed mutants.

 

[Gar For Archer]

sorry for double dipping
yes about power ring due to inhumans flopping but main universe she part inhuman by blackbolt terrigin cloud bomb which side effect killed mutants.
it only gets worst from here.mp4

I’ve heard that even in the comics her Inhuman origins are kinda ignored or glossed over at this point.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

The Kamala shit could either be really good, or a disaster. Seeing as they seem to be taking cues from that game where she's a retard (Avenger's convention) I'm not expecting much.

I thought the She-Hulk shit they did show was pretty good, but I also think my enjoyment of that will hinge on if it's a pure comedy or the kind of action-comedy everything else is.

Hawkeye looked fine if entirely familiar.

I’ve heard that even in the comics her Inhuman origins are kinda ignored or glossed over at this point.

It's just as well. When it was brought up it grinded everything to a boring halt and distracted from street level shit, which was initially the entire point of the character. At least in that aspect tweaking the character so much was done for the better.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I think what Disney-Marvel actually wants is Miles Morales Spider-Man, but 1) he doesn't have the Q-rating of Peter Parker and 2) they have to play nice with Sony, so they're basically grafting Peter's head onto Miles's everything else. Fuck, they didn't even bother to do the backstory this time around- I don't remember, has Uncle Ben even been mentioned in this particular iteration of the character?

Dramatically speaking, Tony Stark is Petey's Uncle Ben.

 

[Gar For Archer]

I think what Disney-Marvel actually wants is Miles Morales Spider-Man, but 1) he doesn't have the Q-rating of Peter Parker and 2) they have to play nice with Sony, so they're basically grafting Peter's head onto Miles's everything else. Fuck, they didn't even bother to do the backstory this time around- I don't remember, has Uncle Ben even been mentioned in this particular iteration of the character?

On his trip in FFH, his briefcase either has Ben’s name or initials on it (I forget which). That’s it as far as I recall.

 

[Valstrax]

Honestly walking downstairs and seeing my parents watching Shang-Chi makes me sad, especially knowing that they would watch anything if you slap the Marvel logo onto it.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

List of all 14 of the MCU shows in the works
Loki Season 2
What if? Season 2
Hawkeye
Moon Knight
She Hulk
Secret Invasion
Ms Marvel
Ironheart
Armor Wars
Wakanda
Echo
Agatha: House of Harkness
Spider-Man: Freshman Year
Marvel Zombies

That not counting one off specials and that is just the stuff we know of. I would be shocked if this level of milking didn't create some kind of superhero fatigue. I mean investment for MCU has changed from 7 to 10 hours to watch all the movies that year to a likely 40+ hours if not more depending on how many they put out a year. Not like the shows will be standalone many of them will tie into the MCU movies like Wandavision and Ms Marvel tieing in with Captin Marvel 2.

I get Disney needs programing for Disney+ but they need a variety of stuff, not just MCU, Star Wars, rehashing whatever Fox ip and shit that should be aired on the Disney Channel like Sneakerella rather than be a Disney+ original.

Honestly I'm all burned out on the superhero shit.

Loki was the last MCU show I watched, and it was a boring slog.

Are they really gonna milk the Marvel Comics to the bone?

 

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Honestly I'm all burned out on the superhero shit.

Loki was the last MCU show I watched, and it was a boring slog.

Are they really gonna milk the Marvel Comics to the bone?

Well, we have got spin-offs like Echo before the show it's a spin-off of Hawkeye has been shown.

I forgot to add the Groot show, but outside the MCU Marvel also has Hit-Monkey, Spidey and His Amazing Friends, Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, X Men 97 and maybe another season of M.O.D.O.K.

So yes Marvel will be ran into the ground, may get a few movies or characters that will still do well but as a whole just a matter of time.

 

[Oats12345]

Well, we have got spin-offs like Echo before the show it's a spin-off of Hawkeye has been shown.

I forgot to add the Groot show, but outside the MCU Marvel also has Hit-Monkey, Spidey and His Amazing Friends, Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, X Men 97 and maybe another season of M.O.D.O.K.

So yes Marvel will be ran into the ground, may get a few movies or characters that will still do well but as a whole just a matter of time.

I think people may get tired of MCU once they tried to connect shows and movies constantly. Normies don't have time to watch 8 shows just to understand two movies.

 

[starborn427614]

Honestly walking downstairs and seeing my parents watching Shang-Chi makes me sad, especially knowing that they would watch anything if you slap the Marvel logo onto it.

It's actually a pretty decent film. I went in expecting to be underwhelmed, but it's one of the better origin stories in the MCU. Will that success carry forward to a potential sequel? Probably not, especially with the star being a twat on social media.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

I've had so many non-Spider-Man fans lecture me about how "Spider-Man should always stay in high school" and how "his stories only work when he's a kid." Of course, none of these people have picked up a single damn comic book in their entire lives, lol.

In 2018 alone, we got two great Spider-Man stories: Into the Spider-Verse and the Spider-Man PS4 game. Both praised by fans, both praised by critics, both wildly popular among normies, etc. Both stories involve an adult Peter Parker. 'Nuff said.

I've always felt that Into the Spider-Verse served as a criticism against Spider-Man's bad writers over the past 15 years or so. Whether that criticism was purely coincidental or not, it doesn't matter: Peter B. Parker in Into the Spider-Verse was basically pointing out to hack writers out there that if you don't let Peter Parker mature, then he's more than likely going to become a man who is way past his prime.

I don't get Marvel's obsession with pressing the reset button on Spidey all of the damn time, and how he always starts back in high school. When I was a kid reading Spider-Man comics and watching Spider-Man cartoons back in the day, I watched Peter Parker grow up ... And I still was highly invested in the character. Marvel and Disney think that Spider-Man needs to stay a kid in order for kids to get their parents to buy Spidey merch for them. It's all so, so dumb.

Sam Raimi is the only director that has let Peter Parker grow up on the big screen. The fact that his Spider-Man movies are still talked about on a regular basis almost 20 years later says something. The fact that the new movie's advertising is hyper focused on Raimi movie nostalgia says something.

exactly, they seem to not realize Pete graduated high school in 1965 and it was elliot roger-esque, his college days are where things get fun, and even that was 1978, so 90%+ of years are from post-high school peter and probably 99% of issues.

I think the issue with the subsequent Spider-Man reboots is that Amazing Spider-Man was clearly trying to go for the young adult demographic, and MCU Spider-Man wanted to make him younger since that was never depicted before. But it doesn't work since ASM makes him too cool and MCU tries to tie him down to the cinematic universe.

Sam Raimi's Spider-Man feels like a Spider-Man that had full creative control behind it (except with Spider-Man 3 but that still had a unique vision to it.)

I at least understand that mentality, they barely have Pete turning 30 in the comics; and they can't hide the years the way they do in comics either. So having him be a kid as long as possible means they can squeeze the high school stuff out before moving to the adult years. look how many appearances Tony has had in the films since 2008, Petes the obvious successor.

 

[cactus]

exactly, they seem to not realize Pete graduated high school in 1965 and it was elliot roger-esque, his college days are where things get fun, and even that was 1978, so 90%+ of years are from post-high school peter and probably 99% of issues.


I at least understand that mentality, they barely have Pete turning 30 in the comics; and they can't hide the years the way they do in comics either. So having him be a kid as long as possible means they can squeeze the high school stuff out before moving to the adult years. look how many appearances Tony has had in the films since 2008, Petes the obvious successor.

Even the 90s cartoon had him as an adult, already with a career in journalism.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

Even the 90s cartoon had him as an adult, already with a career in journalism.

yep, most people know him as the struggling photographer Pete Parker, only the studio heads think "Kids only love kids"

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It's actually a pretty decent film. I went in expecting to be underwhelmed, but it's one of the better origin stories in the MCU. Will that success carry forward to a potential sequel? Probably not, especially with the star being a twat on social media.

Yeah like Shang-Chi is a pretty solid MCU movie, honestly it just needed to have more actual fights instead of Cgi stuff so if they do a sequel, they should focus on the martial arts more

 

[SmugAutist]

Honselty MCU Peter isn't relatable like other versions of Peter for me who had alot of struggles in his life compare to this Peter who doesn't really have too many struggles in his normal life

The main thing that always annoyed me about MCU Peter was that he really enjoyed being Spider-Man and wanted to be part of the Avengers. The real Peter Parker couldn't be further from that. Spider-Man 2 is still the best portrayal of Peter, and it shows the main thing that makes him a hero. Peter would be much better off not being Spider-Man because it fucks with everything in his life: job, studies, friends, family, and love interest. Everything would be so much better if he just let go... but the death of his uncle will always haunt him and that responsability wears him down to the point of sacrificing everything he loves to be Spider-Man and help others.

MCU Peter never has that kind of overwhelming weight behind him, and it really lowers the stakes of his character.

 

[Lensherr]

The main thing that always annoyed me about MCU Peter was that he really enjoyed being Spider-Man and wanted to be part of the Avengers. The real Peter Parker couldn't be further from that. Spider-Man 2 is still the best portrayal of Peter, and it shows the main thing that makes him a hero. Peter would be much better off not being Spider-Man because it fucks with everything in his life: job, studies, friends, family, and love interest. Everything would be so much better if he just let go... but the death of his uncle will always haunt him and that responsability wears him down to the point of sacrificing everything he loves to be Spider-Man and help others.

MCU Peter never has that kind of overwhelming weight behind him, and it really lowers the stakes of his character.

Personally, I feel that the lack of tragedy and weight to Peter being Spider-Man in the MCU is emblematic of the franchise's aversion to gravitas. I get the sense that the people in charge want the character to fit the mold of their other heroes who take to superheroics in a much more light and breezy manner, so they took away any sense of struggle that comes with assuming the mantle of Spider-Man. It makes the character's movies much less emotionally fulfilling though, because he doesn't come off as someone who has to struggle to make ends meet, thus making his moments of triumph ring much more hollow. As much as younger me was really excited by the prospect of seeing Spider-Man in the MCU, it's ended up being much more of a Monkey's Paw than I anticipated. Oh well, at least I have the PS4 version of the character to get my modern Spidey fix.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Personally, I feel that the lack of tragedy and weight to Peter being Spider-Man in the MCU is emblematic of the franchise's aversion to gravitas. I get the sense that the people in charge want the character to fit the mold of their other heroes who take to superheroics in a much more light and breezy manner, so they took away any sense of struggle that comes with assuming the mantle of Spider-Man. It makes the character's movies much less emotionally fulfilling though, because he doesn't come off as someone who has to struggle to make ends meet, thus making his moments of triumph ring much more hollow. As much as younger me was really excited by the prospect of seeing Spider-Man in the MCU, it's ended up being much more of a Monkey's Paw than I anticipated. Oh well, at least I have the PS4 version of the character to get my modern Spidey fix.

Yeah I personally feel Spider-Man's issue is just the MCU never addressing the struggle of what it's like to be a superhero. The most it has done that with is really with Iron Man who had actual conflict with being Iron Man in his movies and it also was the basis of the conflict in Civil War. It just was never given with other characters as being a superhero seems to be portrayed as an awesome thing in the MCU beyond some emotional struggles.

The most struggle MCU Spider-Man had is with internal conflict which was his insecurity of how good he is as a hero on his own. No Way Home seems to address one thing though which is actually good for this iteration of Spider-Man anyway which is how liberal he has been with revealing his secret identity to people. But really it just pales in comparison to the very real conflicts Tobey's Spider-Man (I say Tobey since the worst Garfield dealt with was just his romantic life) had with how he had to manage his romantic life, job, and had to protect his identity from family/friends. It also had real consequences established with being a hero beyond just insecurity since there was a sense of guilt with Tobey's actions especially with his conflict with Harry.