Marvel Cinematic Universe

[SmugAutist]

Seems Eternals is a flop or at the very least underperforming but it might not be big enough of a failure to sink the MCU just yet.

Now, the big question is what happens if this Spider-Man movie fails?

Disney can't rely on China like they used to, so an actual box office flop will hurt them badly enough, especially if it's MCU. Even a simple underperformance where it makes enough money to technically be profitable but still does below expectations could be damaging now that China's no longer the fallback plan.

With something like Spider-Man, even an underperformance can be a death knell for the MCU now. Spider-Man is one of those few evergreen superheroes that normies always recognized and could enjoy.

Really, when it comes to evergreen capeshit, there's really only three or maybe four superheroes you can pull from. Batman, Spider-Man, and Superman. Maybe Wonder Woman or Wolverine on a good day.

A Spider-Man flick doing badly is the kind of sign that capeshit is deader than Dillinger.

Spider-Man won't fail. Even I, who have been getting into superhero fatigue recently, will probably go to see that one movie, and so will many others the moment they release a trailer with Tobey in it. You not only have one of the holdovers from Phase 3 and a Marvel icon, but you have a previous iteration in it that many people hold dear. The Raimi trilogy is still the quintessential portrayal of Spider-Man barring the 90s cartoon. People will flock to that movie even if they're tired of the MCU due to nostalgia alone.


I said that Eternals would be the test if the Marvel brand is enough to make a movie successful, and the Eternals didn't bomb, but it probably didn't make the Mouse happy. The movie to watch out for is Doctor Strange 2, which I think will be the second most successful after Spider-Man. If that fails, it's time to hit the panic button and bring back RDJ no matter the cost.

 

[UnKillFill]

Seems Eternals is a flop or at the very least underperforming but it might not be big enough of a failure to sink the MCU just yet.

Now, the big question is what happens if this Spider-Man movie fails?

Disney can't rely on China like they used to, so an actual box office flop will hurt them badly enough, especially if it's MCU. Even a simple underperformance where it makes enough money to technically be profitable but still does below expectations could be damaging now that China's no longer the fallback plan.

With something like Spider-Man, even an underperformance can be a death knell for the MCU now. Spider-Man is one of those few evergreen superheroes that normies always recognized and could enjoy.

Really, when it comes to evergreen capeshit, there's really only three or maybe four superheroes you can pull from. Batman, Spider-Man, and Superman. Maybe Wonder Woman or Wolverine on a good day.

A Spider-Man flick doing badly is the kind of sign that capeshit is deader than Dillinger.

It's unrealistic/wishful thinking, expecting NWH to flop.

I didn't give enough of a shit to see the first two in theaters, and even I'm going to see this one.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Seems Eternals is a flop or at the very least underperforming but it might not be big enough of a failure to sink the MCU just yet.

Now, the big question is what happens if this Spider-Man movie fails?

Disney can't rely on China like they used to, so an actual box office flop will hurt them badly enough, especially if it's MCU. Even a simple underperformance where it makes enough money to technically be profitable but still does below expectations could be damaging now that China's no longer the fallback plan.

With something like Spider-Man, even an underperformance can be a death knell for the MCU now. Spider-Man is one of those few evergreen superheroes that normies always recognized and could enjoy.

Really, when it comes to evergreen capeshit, there's really only three or maybe four superheroes you can pull from. Batman, Spider-Man, and Superman. Maybe Wonder Woman or Wolverine on a good day.

A Spider-Man flick doing badly is the kind of sign that capeshit is deader than Dillinger.

Not to repeat the others but Spider-Man has the least likely chance to flop at all since it's the most hyped of all the MCU films but that's more because Spider-Man in general is a beloved superhero who is very well liked even before the MCU and it helps that they are bringing the actors from the Raimi Trilogy back who were pretty beloved.

 

[SmugAutist]

It's unrealistic/wishful thinking, expecting NWH to flop.

I didn't give enough of a shit to see the first two in theaters, and even I'm going to see this one.

Hell, there were a lot of movies I didn't see on the theaters in Phase 3. I didn't see Guardians 2, Doctor Strange until they came out on Blu-Ray, and I saw Black Panther after Infinity War. I didn't even bother to see Ant Man 2 or Captain Flatass. I still haven't seen any of the Phase 4 movies and the only show I gave a chance was WandaVision. But I did see both Spider-Man movies. That's just a character that does mean more to normies than the actor, probably the only case of Marvel heroes despite Marvel being adamant in that "the actor is not the character" mentality they've been trying and failing to pursue. Every other Marvel character is defined by the actor that played them, but Spider-Man will forever be Marvel's evergreen despite the actor.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I would watch new SM for Tobey, but I know they will ruin him and probably kill him. These people are awful and very capable of doing it badly.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Anyone expecting Tobey to be a major character in the shitty new Baby Spider movie are in for a rude awakening. He's going to be in it for like five minutes tops and he probably won't even be masked.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I said that Eternals would be the test if the Marvel brand is enough to make a movie successful, and the Eternals didn't bomb, but it probably didn't make the Mouse happy. The movie to watch out for is Doctor Strange 2, which I think will be the second most successful after Spider-Man. If that fails, it's time to hit the panic button and bring back RDJ no matter the cost.

Oof, bringing back RDJ only serves to stunt Holland's Spiderman, forcing him back into Iron Lad status and undoing the whole point of putting him at the forefront of the next generation.

I don't really get Eternals RT's score. With general audiences --the opinion that actually matters-- it's positive. But even critics that I respect like Critical Drinker and Midnight's Edge are saying that it's terrible. Is it because MCU fans are bugmen or is it that the movie is perfectly adequate, but not amazing like how real critics are used to?

 

[Salubrious]

‘Black Panther 2’ Shuts Down Production as Letitia Wright Recovers from Set Injury (Archive)

Spoiler: Article Text

Marvel and Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures have temporarily paused production on the upcoming sequel “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” due to an injury sustained by star Letitia Wright. Wright sustained the injury back in August while shooting a sequence involving a stunt rig on location in Boston, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Due to the severity of the injury, she is continuing to recover.

Back in August when the injury occurred, Marvel assured the incident would not impact the film’s shooting schedule. IndieWire has reached out to representatives for Disney and Wright for comment.

Wright was hospitalized in August for the injury in Boston (where filming was then taking place), after which she left for London and has remained as production works around her. In the original film and sequel, Wright stars as Shuri, the sister of Black Panther T’Challa. Ryan Coogler is returning to direct the sequel to the original, which won three Academy Awards and grossed $1.3 billion globally. After Chadwick Boseman’s unexpected death in August 2020, Shuri was elevated to a lead character.

“Letitia has been recovering in London since September from injuries sustained on the set of ‘Black Panther 2’ and is looking forward to returning to work early 2022,” a representative for Wright told The Hollywood Reporter in a statement. “Letitia kindly asks that you keep her in your prayers.”

Per reports, the shutdown is expected to commence the week of Thanksgiving, with hopes for an early 2022 return to production.

For the last two months, “Wakanda Forever” had been primarily shooting in Atlanta. So far, Coogler has reportedly shot all footage possible without Wright up to this point. (Coogler, back in April, penned an essay about shooting in Georgia amid voting law backlash. He affirmed the film would remain shooting in the state.)

“Black Panther 2” has already seen shuffles on the release calendar. Originally set to open on July 8, 2022, the film was pushed to November 11, 2022 back in October. The 2018 original film, based on the comic characters created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, opened in a February slot, and a year later earned seven Academy Awards including one for Best Picture. It’s regarded as one of the most acclaimed of any Marvel Cinematic Universe film.

I'm surprised that the author of this article didn't sneak in a reference to Letitia Wright being "anti-vax".

I think there was a rumor going around, and I have NOTHING to back this up, is that her "injury" is because she doesn't want the vaccine, and due to mandates they are shutting down production and begging her to get the shot.

It's weird that an on-set injury happened two or three months ago and we are just finding out about it now, especially since she is supposedly the lead actress.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I think there was a rumor going around, and I have NOTHING to back this up, is that her "injury" is because she doesn't want the vaccine, and due to mandates they are shutting down production and begging her to get the shot.

It's weird that an on-set injury happened two or three months ago and we are just finding out about it now, especially since she is supposedly the lead actress.

Interesting, but I do find it hard to believe. Between Arec Bardwin, Batwahmen injuries, and Indy 5 delays, I do think general incompetence is going on, not COVID.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I don't really get Eternals RT's score. With general audiences --the opinion that actually matters-- it's positive. But even critics that I respect like Critical Drinker and Midnight's Edge are saying that it's terrible. Is it because MCU fans are bugmen or is it that the movie is perfectly adequate, but not amazing like how real critics are used to?

What I'd like to know about was the Drinker saying that Shang-Chi failed to make its budget back in theatres. Is that an error or is that actually true?

I think the "bugman" question was solved the moment Captain Marvel came out.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

Seems Eternals is a flop or at the very least underperforming but it might not be big enough of a failure to sink the MCU just yet.

Now, the big question is what happens if this Spider-Man movie fails?

Disney can't rely on China like they used to, so an actual box office flop will hurt them badly enough, especially if it's MCU. Even a simple underperformance where it makes enough money to technically be profitable but still does below expectations could be damaging now that China's no longer the fallback plan.

With something like Spider-Man, even an underperformance can be a death knell for the MCU now. Spider-Man is one of those few evergreen superheroes that normies always recognized and could enjoy.

Really, when it comes to evergreen capeshit, there's really only three or maybe four superheroes you can pull from. Batman, Spider-Man, and Superman. Maybe Wonder Woman or Wolverine on a good day.

A Spider-Man flick doing badly is the kind of sign that capeshit is deader than Dillinger.

I've said it before so I'll just give you a tl:dr and that is the only way for spideman to flop is for them to go full retard like say have multiple spidermen on film but they are all played by Tom Holland or are Zendaya the fat guy and Holland with Tobey being In the film but playing a janitor or something (ie wandavision quicksilver 2.0)

 

[Doctor of Autism]

What I'd like to know about was the Drinker saying that Shang-Chi failed to make its budget back in theatres. Is that an error or is that actually true?

I think the "bugman" question was solved the moment Captain Marvel came out.

It's an error because Shang-Chi's box office earnings was the reason why Disney decided to just make the rest of their 2021 movie lineup in theatres only and Sony did the same. Like it didn't make a lot of money but it did inspire enough confidence to make theatrical-only releases

Oof, bringing back RDJ only serves to stunt Holland's Spiderman, forcing him back into Iron Lad status and undoing the whole point of putting him at the forefront of the next generation.

I don't really get Eternals RT's score. With general audiences --the opinion that actually matters-- it's positive. But even critics that I respect like Critical Drinker and Midnight's Edge are saying that it's terrible. Is it because MCU fans are bugmen or is it that the movie is perfectly adequate, but not amazing like how real critics are used to?

I think it's due to allegedly being bot reviews by Disney since there is the belief that if the audience likes it more than people will assume it's a good movie.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

What I'd like to know about was the Drinker saying that Shang-Chi failed to make its budget back in theatres. Is that an error or is that actually true?

It's hard to know for certain, Hollywood accounting being what it is. That said, it was reported to have a budget of ~$150m and a worldwide gross of ~$430m. Following the "double and halve" heuristic, then yes it's underwater ($300m costs, $215m revenues.) You can fiddle with the numbers however you like (say, ancillaries at 50% instead of 100% gives you $225m costs, $215m revenues) but if I had to guess I'd say it's going to leave theaters within a couple percentage points of breaking even. Not Joker money, but not a Waterworld bath either.

Edit:

It's an error because Shang-Chi's box office earnings was the reason why Disney decided to just make the rest of their 2021 movie lineup in theatres only and Sony did the same. Like it didn't make a lot of money but it did inspire enough confidence to make theatrical-only releases

ScarJo's lawsuit may have informed that decision.

Edit 2: Glancing at the Eternals numbers tho, I'd be shocked if it makes money: bigger budget ($200m) than Shang-Chi with a weaker opening, worse reviews, and stronger competition waiting in the wings. Barring Wonder Woman tier holds, they're gonna stay in the red.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

ScarJo's lawsuit may have informed that decision.

This is the most likely culprit, Black Widow supposedly made a ton of money on Disney+, enough money to cause ScarJo to want her cut, the thing is if Disney+ was super profitable Disney should have dropped theaters all together instead they seem desperately trying to save them

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Oof, bringing back RDJ only serves to stunt Holland's Spiderman, forcing him back into Iron Lad status and undoing the whole point of putting him at the forefront of the next generation.

I think it's too late for that. The character isn't as engaging as people think he is. He's already depending on Dr. Strange's star presence already and he can't really function withotu having a strong male figure being "the mentor". Whether he's an antagonist or not really him (as some theories say), he's still Benedryl Cucumber playing the part.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

RDJ has like ten Sherlock Holmes movies that need to be made. Hopefully he can summon some of Bale's chad strength and turn down the dump truck full of cash Marvel backs up in his driveway.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I think it's too late for that. The character isn't as engaging as people think he is. He's already depending on Dr. Strange's star presence already and he can't really function withotu having a strong male figure being "the mentor". Whether he's an antagonist or not really him (as some theories say), he's still Benedryl Cucumber playing the part.

Which does beg the question as to why Holland isn't working as intended. Personally, I think they ripped too much out of Peter Parker's character in the MCU. OG Peter Parker had a part-time job taking candid pics of Spidey to help out his elderly aunt subsisting on her dead husband's pension. However, it's no longer common for high school students to be working plus Marisa Tomei is not all that elderly. The result is Petey doesn't have that pressure on him and is free to go on school trips to Europe. The nature of being a teenager has changed from Boomer times, thus a realistic depiction of a high school student today is detrimental. For Boomers, Petey is written more like a 12 or 14 year old character, not 16-18. He barely seems like he has his own agency considering all the adults that insist upon his life.

 

[starborn427614]

Which does beg the question as to why Holland isn't working as intended. Personally, I think they ripped too much out of Peter Parker's character in the MCU. OG Peter Parker had a part-time job taking candid pics of Spidey to help out his elderly aunt subsisting on her dead husband's pension. However, it's no longer common for high school students to be working plus Marisa Tomei is not all that elderly. The result is Petey doesn't have that pressure on him and is free to go on school trips to Europe. The nature of being a teenager has changed from Boomer times, thus a realistic depiction of a high school student today is detrimental. For Boomers, Petey is written more like a 12 or 14 year old character, not 16-18. He barely seems like he has his own agency considering all the adults that insist upon his life.

This can probably be remedied post-NMH if the rumours are true and he winds up on his own with an extremely small support network.

 

[Uncle June]

What I'd like to know about was the Drinker saying that Shang-Chi failed to make its budget back in theatres. Is that an error or is that actually true?

I think the "bugman" question was solved the moment Captain Marvel came out.

Drinker cherry picks to reinforce ant generic, lukewarm take he has, I'll see what RLM has to say (assuming they review it).

 

[Oats12345]

Which does beg the question as to why Holland isn't working as intended. Personally, I think they ripped too much out of Peter Parker's character in the MCU. OG Peter Parker had a part-time job taking candid pics of Spidey to help out his elderly aunt subsisting on her dead husband's pension. However, it's no longer common for high school students to be working plus Marisa Tomei is not all that elderly. The result is Petey doesn't have that pressure on him and is free to go on school trips to Europe. The nature of being a teenager has changed from Boomer times, thus a realistic depiction of a high school student today is detrimental. For Boomers, Petey is written more like a 12 or 14 year old character, not 16-18. He barely seems like he has his own agency considering all the adults that insist upon his life.

Honselty MCU Peter isn't relatable like other versions of Peter for me who had alot of struggles in his life compare to this Peter who doesn't really have too many struggles in his normal life