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Strange MoM was really good but it bugs the hell out of me that the writers continue to fuck with Wanda so much so that this time, she decides to kill herself (probably). Olsen's performance was STELLAR in this movie, don't get me wrong. It's just in terms of the character, I hate the direction they've been taking her.

It's like Feige has some kind of boner for torturing her and putting her in all of these really fucky situations, and not letting her move past any of them or grow from any of them. It's like they want us to strongly resent her. It bugs the hell out of me.

Honestly Wandavision was the only time I even remotely liked Wanda, at least until I realized that she was the one behind the whole hex thing.
 
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Strange MoM was really good but it bugs the hell out of me that the writers continue to fuck with Wanda so much so that this time, she decides to kill herself (probably). Olsen's performance was STELLAR in this movie, don't get me wrong. It's just in terms of the character, I hate the direction they've been taking her.

It's like Feige has some kind of boner for torturing her and putting her in all of these really fucky situations, and not letting her move past any of them or grow from any of them. It's like they want us to strongly resent her. It bugs the hell out of me.

Honestly Wandavision was the only time I even remotely liked Wanda, at least until I realized that she was the one behind the whole hex thing.
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Wanda was one of my favorite characters until WandaVision made me hate her. They'll probably have one of the infinite number of good, non-OP Wanda's from some universe become a regular. Disney can't actually kill off characters, can they?
 
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I went on a date with a dude who really likes Dr. Strange and I'm wondering if that's a red flag because this shit was GAY.
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First Strange movie is very good. Despite it follows the MCU formula, the characters, acting, music, and whole movie aesthetic makes it different from the other movies. Even the "lol funny joke" moments are passable for MCU standards.

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I really hate America Chavez. Like you want a superman like diversity hero that punches Nazis, why the fuck would you choose South America, a country that housed Nazi refugees?
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Do they say she's from S. America? Because all about her from the comics screams poltolican.
 
I liked it. I'm a sucker for a popcorn flick and can take the MCU for what it is at it's lowest-common-denominator mass appeal spectacle. This one was def a return to form. The first since the last Avengers (Ant man is small scale, Spider-Man doesn't really count and the other three were pretty trash).

The Rami stuff was great. Loved his style w/ the horror scenes (tunnel chase scene and practical effects Zombie Strange especially) Multiverse tie ins were a great way to do what they have to do. Some of the cameos could've just been cameos like maybe Jim Richards doesn't come back this was just a fan service one-off?

Seems they're setting up Secret Wars which.. fine. Great chance to reset and a lot to build to. I was happy to have it as my first real trip back to the theatre in almost three years.
 
My favorite Raimi sequence was Wanda's first attempt to possess alt-Wanda. That little moment where the photograph turns to watch alt-Wanda walk by was just wonderful.

Tasty Tatty dijo:
Do they say she's from S. America? Because all about her from the comics screams poltolican.
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She's the alien daughter of two lesbians from outer space. Technically, she's not human and has no ethnicity. However, before some retard borked her backstory, she was taken in by a bunch of Puerto Ricans. So it can be presumed that she's supposed to be Puerto Rican.
 
Stab You in the Back dijo:
She's the alien daughter of two lesbians from outer space.
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Oh, they're aliens too? Very progressive. The Runaways had a Skrull character that changed genders because it was engaged to a lesbian. In retrospect the writing was on the wall the whole time.

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From what I’ve heard, you can really feel the Rami influence, and the parts where he’s allowed to full do what he does are really enjoyable. But the corporate mandated stuff is apparently very noticeable.
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We were talking about this in the RLM thread and now I have seen it, yea pretty much it. It was an average film where you waited for the cool Rami moments.

Worth watching if you like him. Would you pay to see it in the cinema? Depends on how much you like him.

I would have loved to have seen this be made in peak Spiderman era. These Marvel look so ugly to me. My eyes have gotten used to how fake it all looks and it has removed all chance of spectacle. The best moments were when it was outside of that mould:

When Patrick Stewart entered Wanda's mind, the deaths which were brutal, Rami-cam in the house, the zombie strange.

Oh yea, talking about woke moments, what about when America said how strange it was our earth used currency? Everything is free in the communist multiverse.

Would have preferred Cumontheback to team up with Ash to take on Deadities and the Green Goblin, but whatever.
 
GenociderSyo dijo:
Movie wans't awful but this part had me laughing:
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Makeup for that one SPLIT second shot just was very generic demonized.
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I mean, that's just a reference to Raimi's first films, Evil Dead.

So the movie was alright. I think Raimi was wasted. In general, the Marvel movies are all made into such big spectacles trying to live up to Infinity War, that the spectacle feels generic now. The Alternate Universe stuff could of been trimmed substantially and had the same impact, while the horror elements expanded and made the movie more impressive.
 
It's petty but I really dislike how much the effects get praised for originality.

My nigga, Cyriak was doing that in PSP before the MCU was even a thing!
 
Just saw the movie. America Chavez didn't say "HOLY MENSTRUATION" or give any Tumblr-tier feminist monologues + the movie had Sam Raimi directing it so the movie is automatically a 9/10. Wanda being a psycho bitch was downright hilarious at points. The concept of a hyper-powered demon Karen going around slaughtering millions without a giving a single fuck to get to her kids is funny as shit.

There were a few groan-worthy Joss Whedon-tier quips but it's tolerable by MCU standards. America Chavez didn't speak very often which is also welcomed.

I really really really wish Wanda had murdered Mordo though, he's such a pretentious faggot (intentionally, I know). Killing that alternate universe Captain Marvel sort of makes up for it, if only because every version of Captain Marvel now has to be a bitchy, self-important walking postergirl for "STRONG WOMYN WHO DON'T NEED NO MAN". The MCU writers/modern Marvel in general really really really wants to make people forget that the character used to look like this:
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and appealed to men because that's bad for some reason

When they said that no other version of America Chavez (really stupid name that they should've changed btw) existed in the multiverse or whatever I knew they were gonna keep her around as the Peter Parker to Dr Strange's Iron Man and as an excuse to do more multiverse movies using her mcguffin powers. I just hope in whatever future movie America appears in, it'll shit all over Gabby Rivera's bastardization like Carlos Gomez did with his version of the character.

The funniest part about America was how fast they glossed over her two moms. The one scene they spent talking about them went:
[12 seconds of America's two moms picking flowers, touching faces and then getting sucked into a portal]
America: "yeah I lost my moms in an accident with my powers"
Strange: "well you need to master your powers if you want to make your moms proud of their daughter."

They said "moms" twice so fucking fast you could barely hear the s at the end, and then immediately switched to "parents" because the suits probably felt they hit their activism quota for the movie. America wore a pride pin on her jacket that was visible for like a scene or two (in every other scene they conveniently moved the camera up far enough to where the collar pin wouldn't be visible). Disney really does not want to lose out on that foreign audience, LOL.
 
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It was... creative and memorable, at least. The structure and pacing was godawful, though. It felt like a Disney+ series edited down to two hours; that opening act in particular (the start up until Wanda attacks Kamar-taj) was so rushed it felt like one of those 'Previously on...' recaps at the start of an episode.

America Chavez was surprisingly tolerable and even good. Probably because she's young and the extent of her "I'M GAAAAAAAAAAAY" stuff came in the form of an LGBT pin and a ten second flashback to her moms. That said, the conclusion to her arc being Stephen basically saying "Just trust yourself, bro" was another point that felt horribly rushed. The Illuminati felt like pointless fan service and filler, that entire part could've been done with just Christine, Reed, and Mordo, though Wanda brutally murdering all of them was a highlight. Hayley Atwell's looking a bit rough, like she didn't even get to comb her hair before shooting the scene.

Still, the weirdness and creativity of Sam Raimi really elevates its and makes the whole package better than the sum of its individual parts. Removing the horror parts and Raimi's other touches and just making it into another MCU movie focusing on the Darkhold and the multiverse, it probably would've been really mediocre.

EDIT: Also, was Paul Bettany just not available? It was really strange to have Wanda be a major character, WandaVision have a major impact on the film, and yet Vision not show up in a single scene.
 
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