Opinion Many Conservatives View Kirk’s Death as a Galvanizing Force for Years to Come - Calling Charlie Kirk a martyr, conservatives see an opportunity to supercharge the movement the right-wing leader began and to cement conservative Christian values in American life.

By Emily Cochrane

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The vice president escorted Charlie Kirk’s casket home on Air Force Two. Thousands of people across the country gathered at candlelight vigils. A Republican congresswoman called for him to be allowed to lie in honor in the Capitol.
The gestures signal not only how conservatives see Mr. Kirk as a martyr, but also their view that his assassination could be a watershed moment that will propel their cause and cement both conservative and conservative Christian values in American life for decades to come.
Mr. Kirk’s death has “unleashed the dragon,” Luke Barnett, a pastor, told the congregation on Wednesday at Dream City Church in Phoenix, where Mr. Kirk had hosted monthly “Freedom Night in America” events.
He addressed young people specifically. “It is time for you to rise up because of what has happened to Charlie Kirk today,” he said to cheers. “I can just envision, right now, 10,000 Charlie Kirks rising up in campuses right across America, proclaiming the truth of Jesus Christ.”

It was a moment not just of mourning but of opportunity, he suggested: “Charlie is gone. Who’s going to fill his place?”
Less than a week after Mr. Kirk was fatally shot at an event at Utah Valley University, the anger and grief remain raw for many across the country, and it’s difficult to predict the long-term political impact of Mr. Kirk’s death amid a highly charged climate.
The movement he led may require more time to take shape without him. But many of Mr. Kirk’s allies have vowed to pick up his mantle and expand the reach of his beliefs.
“This is what happens when you make a martyr — you embolden everyone who believes like they do,” said Allie Beth Stuckey, a popular Christian conservative writer and podcaster who offered both an emotional eulogy of Mr. Kirk as a friend and a fierce condemnation of his critics on her podcast on Thursday.
“Charlie and the truth he represented will spread further and wider than they ever have before,” she said.

Amid widespread horror at the assassination, there are also now concerns that his death will be used to target Democratic organizations, liberal values and institutions already under siege.
“The whole country is holding its collective breath, wondering what might unfold,” said Will Creeley, the legal director at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. As it has in the past, the nonpartisan organization has warned against the suppression of speech as a result of a vengeful online campaign against people who celebrated Mr. Kirk’s death online or were critical of his views.
“I don’t think that either party has a complete grip on what will happen next, and I sure as hell don’t,” Mr. Creeley added. “I just hope it’s peaceful.”
Other figures have been held up by conservatives as symbols of what they see as persecution or liberal policy failures. The family of Ashli Babbitt, an Air Force veteran and Jan. 6 rioter who was fatally shot by a Capitol Police officer that day, was recently offered military funeral honors for her.

Last week, the billionaire Elon Musk pledged to help fund murals across the country of Iryna Zarutska, the young Ukrainian woman killed on a North Carolina light rail train. And President Trump’s narrow escape from an assassin’s bullet last year was a galvanizing moment during his re-election campaign.


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But Mr. Kirk’s assassination on a college campus, seen by many conservative Christians as an act of biblical evil, is poised to surpass all of that. For some conservatives, there is grim resolve that the death of the founder of a group called Turning Point USA could supercharge the generational rightward shift he had worked to fuel in life.
While Mr. Kirk championed several inflammatory positions on gender, gun control and race, among other issues, he spoke for many conservative evangelicals across the country and is credited with helping draw many young voters, particularly men, to support Mr. Trump. Some members of Mr. Trump’s cabinet and lawmakers were among those who gathered on Sunday for a tribute at the Kennedy Center.

“I think he’s a true American martyr,” said Carson Carpenter, a recent Arizona State University graduate who met Mr. Kirk while serving as president of the school’s College Republicans. Speaking while traveling to a vigil in Prescott, Ariz., he added that Mr. Kirk’s influence “will live on for many generations to come, with the conservative movement but also everybody in the United States.”

There are already signs that the anger and resolve generated by the killing could lead to a more defined shift. Online, Mr. Kirk’s supporters and Turning Point staff have circulated anecdotes of newfound interest in Mr. Kirk’s beliefs or queries about how to approach going to church for the first time in years.

Turning Point has seen a surge in interest. In the span of 48 hours, a spokesman said, the organization received more than 32,000 inquiries about starting a new chapter. He added that the organization currently has about 3,500 chapters on high school and college campuses.

“We know our voices are important — Charlie Kirk isn’t allowed to speak anymore, but we still can,” said RaeAnna Morales, 20, the media director for Vanderbilt University’s College Republicans and one of the students interested in starting a chapter. She added, “This has to be the turning point.”

Using the website domain fightforcharlie.com, Turning Point USA announced a memorial event on Sept. 21 in Arizona. The group pledged that “we will move forward together, fighting harder, standing taller and refusing to surrender.” The organization has also begun to sell memorial shirts, featuring vows to “never surrender” or pairing a drawing of Mr. Kirk with the phrase “this is our turning point.”

Zac Segal, the president of the College Republicans chapter at Boston University, co-wrote a letter to the school asking for more support for conservatives on campus in the wake of the killing.
“This is our time to speak up, this is our time to create change,” he said in an interview. “And I think that’s what Charlie Kirk wanted.”

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Conservatives hope that Mr. Kirk’s death will help cement both conservative and conservative Christian values in American life for decades to come. Credit. Loren Elliott for The New York Times

Some conservative officials and supporters of Mr. Kirk have gone so far as to compare his assassination to the deaths of Socrates or the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., even though Mr. Kirk called Dr. King a “bad guy” and declared the Civil Rights Act “a mistake.” (Dr. King’s daughter, Bernice King, has also rejected the comparisons with her father.)
Matthew Boedy, an English professor at the University of North Georgia who has written about Mr. Kirk and his conservative trajectory, said that when he learned of Mr. Kirk’s death, he was shaken by the horrific act.
“I knew at that moment that our nation, we had crossed a line there,” he said.

Mr. Boedy, who was placed on the list that Mr. Kirk’s organization drew up of “professors that advance a radical agenda,” said political martyrdom could have a distinct effect, especially on those who disagreed with Mr. Kirk. “To honor him by giving him such a religious title is one thing,” he said. “To suggest they’re going to live out his agenda and push — we’ll say, make — America into the Christian culture he wanted is perhaps an anti-democratic move.”
But that sense of mission is seismic to his followers, especially the young generation that he helped draw into the embrace of conservative evangelism. For some, he is the most significant loss of a public figure they can remember.

“There’s no space for apathetic Christianity anymore,” said Abigail DeJarnatt, the founder of Counteract USA, a Christian organization based in Arkansas. Since Mr. Kirk’s death, she said, she had received several messages or questions about how to get more involved both politically and evangelically.
“There’s no option for Christians to just sit on the sidelines anymore,” Ms. DeJarnatt, 24, added. “The sideline’s gone. The world needs Jesus, and it’s up to us to tell them about him.”

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39% more evangelical christians (e.g. Charlie Kirk) have a favorable view of jews, than have an unfavorable view. That is to say, as a group, evangelicals love the jews.

But 40% more jews have an unfavorable view of christians than have a favorable view.
To be fair, Christians are to Jews as Mormons are to Christians: a weird offshoot cult. Though where where Mormons took Christianity and added some weird space bullshit and magic pyjamas, Christianity outright invalidates Judaism. Takes the funny little hats and penis biting and tosses it right out the window. So I can see where someone who's all aboard team jew would have a dim view of the Christians.
 
The Left astroturf's their own supporters all the time. It's what this meme is mocking:
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Want to see it in actual real life? No problem. Here's a video from the 2020 of a protest against the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett. These people are thinking, they're repeating words - being told what to think.

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Here's another example - this one is from the Occupy movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgQ17Mak7xw

The difference is particularly stark when you group people by religion:

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39% more evangelical christians (e.g. Charlie Kirk) have a favorable view of jews, than have an unfavorable view. That is to say, as a group, evangelicals love the jews.

But 40% more jews have an unfavorable view of christians than have a favorable view.
Interesting how Jews give atheists the highest raiting of all major reiligions. It makes sense when you realize both groups are attracting the same insufferable type of person.
 
Whoever said Kirk is a conservative moderate, and now would now be the last moderate, is right on the mark, imo.

If nothing else, his murder has shown that talking is worthless, and that only leaves harder options on the table.
 
39% more evangelical christians (e.g. Charlie Kirk) have a favorable view of jews, than have an unfavorable view. That is to say, as a group, evangelicals love the jews.
this is all about Israel, their litmus test.
Evangelicals are extremely pro-Israel, here in the South it is a real blight.

My wife has local evangelical women friends who she attends the annual community fundraiser lunches with , and they routinely plaster those dopey "I STAND WITH ISRAEL" logos across their facebook photos. They organize "holy land tours" and go over there all the time.

This is why Jews like evangelicals , they consider them political lap dogs.
I hope they aren't taking it personally and think it has anything to do with the quality of their faith?
 
There is a whole world of thought outside of Christian Dispensationalism (Covenant Theology). Even Charlie was openly questioning recently (meaning he's probably been exploring it for some time).

The Bible itself is clear that Christ was the fulfillment of judaism, the Church was the fulfillment of Biblical Israel, and the Old Testament covenant has been replaced by a new Christian one.
This is all true, however from a functional aspect the supermajority of “Christians” don’t appreciate the slightly obscure aspects let alone the deep theology. This is what he means, as the masses are myopically following the blind! My 80 year old grandma was watching the classic movie about moses leaving egypt and the woman who had been going to church her whole life asked “when does jesus come along?” Christians who are deep into theology have a Dunning-Krueger effect of thinking every other follower must obviously be as well versed as they are.
 
You can kill a person, but you cannot kill an idea, The left created two martyrs last week - Charlie Kirk and Iryna Zarutska.

Now Charlie's ideas and thoughts will continue on, and his movement will grow. Dumbest thing the left could have done. If the left had been smart they would have defeated Charlie in a debate, but they could never do it.

And now we see some fools paying the price for their verbal masturbation on social media. Fuck bucket's long since empty for them.
 
A week ago, I didn't believe the world cared so much about Charlie Kirk, but as it turns out, you murder a symbol of everything the left has spent the last decade demonizing, and you'll find out exactly how much people care.
I've said it before, but I didn't and really still don't care about Kirk. I couldn't have picked him out of a crowd two weeks ago.

The reason this week has been so awful to me isn't because of who got killed, but how - and even more importantly, how the left responded. If Kirk had been stabbed in an alley and the left had been like "murder is bad", I would have reacted the same way as any other senseless death. I'd want swift and brutal retribution, but I wouldn't take it personally.

Instead, he died a horrific death as his family watched, and the left collectively decided that it's good and there should be more of that. That's what shook me.
 
Instead, he died a horrific death as his family watched, and the left collectively decided that it's good and there should be more of that. That's what shook me.
See, my problem is that it's not that I'm surprised because I'm not. I'm horrified.

But let's not pretend the left hasn't been out for blood since Brian Thompson. They were positively gleeful about it.

The left has lost any compunction about how if someone they don't like dies horrifically, then it's perfectly okay and aligned with cosmic justice.

Not legal justice, nope. They want to be able to justify in their minds that someone they don't like, but who can't be charged with any crimes, is subject to vigilante justice, and it was all right for it to happen. (Note how they don't like taking accountability for it. Someone shoots Trump or Charlie Kirk, and somehow, it's a right-wing crime?)

I said it back then, I will say it again: I don't give a shit if you thought Brian Thompson deserved to die. Once people have a taste for blood, they rarely back off from it.

Vigilante justice isn't moderated. It's subject to the whims of a mob that is partial to its own rules and wants everyone governed by fear.

This shit should have been stomped out when we learned the name Luigi Mangione. It wasn't. We've tolerated this shit for too long.

If Luigi doesn't get the death penalty after this, or Tyler Robinson for that matter, I will truly be surprised.
 
Want to see it in actual real life? No problem. Here's a video from the 2020 of a protest against the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett. These people are thinking, they're repeating words - being told what to think.
Can't forget everyone on the Colbert Show cheering when he announced Comey had been fired, leading to him needing to swap out their chips in real time.
 
Combination of his death and the ghoulish glee of the left is what swings it. Pretty sure a lot of people don’t watch Kirk’s videos, but they watched him get sniped and see the responses (some of which are truly insane) and it clicks.
 
This shit should have been stomped out when we learned the name Luigi Mangione. It wasn't. We've tolerated this shit for too long.
Funny thing, I was listening to Luigi's cousin Nino Mangione on Kim Klacik's talk show eulogize Charlie. He's also talking about some shitheel schoolteachers around the state gloating.

Nino is a Republican state politician in Baltimore County, MD. Seems to be a good guy from a prominent Italian American family in the area. I wonder what went wrong with Luigi.

I guess probably same thing that happened to Charlie's killer. Internet leftist bullshit will melt your brain. College probably doesn't help either.
 
If they didn't want Charlie treated as a martyr, maybe they shouldn't have turned him into one and then cheered about it?

Another outstanding tactical maneuver from the left. I can't imagine why they keep losing.
 
Some conservative officials and supporters of Mr. Kirk have gone so far as to compare his assassination to the deaths of Socrates
Socrates was a traitor to Athens and should have lost his head, or at least been exiled after the Thirty Tyrants were deposed (the two men who directed the overthrow of Athenian democracy were both disciples of Socrates [Alcibiades and Critias]).

Anytus did nothing wrong in demanding Socrates' death.
or the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., even though Mr. Kirk called Dr. King a “bad guy” and declared the Civil Rights Act “a mistake.”
King was a communist puppet (Stanley Levison) and his 'civil rights movement' was pure political stagecraft (Highlander Folk School).
“I think he’s a true American martyr,”
Moreso than they various 'racial reckoning' martyrs that the Establishment has offered up to us in the 21st century alone (St. Trayvon Martin , St. George Floyd, St. Breonna Taylor, et al.)

Other figures have been held up by conservatives as symbols of what they see as persecution or liberal policy failures.
They are trying to mitigate the assassination of Charlie Kirk using standard issue Establishment tactics: accuse the victim of moral repugnance, accuse anyone criticizing the Establishment-approved motives of the murder of having 'bad intentions', equivocate (what about the millions of blacks killed by White Supremacy?), ridicule, etc.

If it hadn't happened in public and on video, they would try to bury it, like they tried and failed to do with the Iryna Zarutska murder or semi-successfully with the murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom (one of the most gruesome murders in America in the 21st century).
 
It's fucking wild to watch the left complain that right-wing causes would use this for fundraising.

They have used every dead minority to fundraise for a thousand grifts for a decade.

Every time some unfortunate woman has died from any even tangentially abortion-illegality-related cause, the left has used the death for fundraising efforts.

Every time some troon gets killed by his boyfriend or the trick he just turned, they use the death for a fundraising effort.

Every time some dumb confused teenager goes and takes a walk on the railroad tracks because muh gender identity, the left immediately says we should "say her name" and send money pls.

Every time a prisoner dies in custody in suspicious circumstances, they use it to raise funds.

Every time an activist "rests in power," they use it to raise funds.

And now they want to complain that a man who built his life around a movement has his friends and loved ones trying to make some good, any good, come out of his death. They want to say that the only role they should play is to sit down and shut up. They believe the proper response to an assassination is to capitulate to terrorist demands, to make yourself small and timid and meek, to "tell everyone to turn down the temperature" as Destiny keeps saying. This is why they love the Palestinians. They want those techniques to work, and they think your reaction to having terrorists attack you should be meek surrender.

They'll, of course, get up on a soapbox and riot over violent street thugs getting killed because ACAB and "if you don't respect our existence, expect our resistance."

Charlie Kirk's existence was not respected. Why should they not expect resistance?
 
Charlie Kirk's existence was not respected. Why should they not expect resistance?
Rules for me, and not for thee?

Come on, @Diana Moon Glampers , you've been at this long enough. You know that the left is full of hardline hypocrites that can't stand to be held to their own rules, or let anyone else get ground using theirs.
 
Rules for me, and not for thee?

Come on, @Diana Moon Glampers , you've been at this long enough. You know that the left is full of hardline hypocrites that can't stand to be held to their own rules, or let anyone else get ground using theirs.

Yeah, obviously. It's just so grating. The absolute lack of anything like introspection or intellectual honesty, the lack of even a pretense or fig leaf of theory of mind for "the other side" has really gotten to me in the last week.

Their masks are fully off now. The viciousness is fully on display. They don't just want people to be victims of leftist terrorist acts, they want their reactions to be muted sadness and calls for unity of exactly the type they never make when it's one of theirs getting popped.

I'm watching in amazement because they don't see how much they're hemorrhaging support. People are actively switching party affiliations, from Democrat to independent for the ones who still can't stomach the idea of becoming an evil right-winger, and independent fence-sitters registering Republican to fully log the extent of their revulsion and antipathy toward what the modern left has become.

Their propaganda was very effective for years. They made themselves out to be the party of peace, love, and understanding. Sure, they'd have some mostly peaceful protests from time to time, but only when people's rights were being trampled! They only wanted for people to be safe and fed and happy! They only want all those chuds fired because they care so much about people staying alive in these unprecedented times and we all need our vax, the experts say so!

But now there's no hiding the sadism. The left is desperate to justify why they can have a little bloodlust, as a treat. It makes it absolutely clear to the normiest normie that the "be kind" messaging was just posturing to make the other side look bad. It only ever meant "be kind (to people like us)."
 
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