Love your Servitude - A lecture by Aldous Huxley

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mindlessobserver

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I've realized I have never actually posted something a bring up repeatedly. After Skools amazing animation the 1960's era recording of Aldous Huxleys lecture on "Loving Servitude".

For those who don't know, Huxley was the author of "Brave New World". The dystopian counter point to Orwells "1984". While Orwell was afraid of a perfect socialist totalitarian that ruled by fear, Huxley was terrified of a perfect technocratic Oligarchy that ruled by pleasure.

 
mindlessobserver dijo:
The dystopian counter point to Orwells "1984".
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Not that it invalidates your overall point, but BNW was published in 1932 whereas Orwell's 1984 came later in 1949.

So technically, 1984 is the counterpoint to BNW from a temporal fashion.
 
Mordecai 3 Finger Brown dijo:
Not that it invalidates your overall point, but BNW was published in 1932 whereas Orwell's 1984 came later in 1949.

So technically, 1984 is the counterpoint to BNW from a temporal fashion.
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Either way I feel they are counter points to each other. Orwell thought people would be made slaves by force. Huxley thought they would be made slaves by persuasion.

I think Huxley was correct
 
TIM4EUS dijo:
I think its slaves by persuasion first and then later we become outright slaves
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The worst kind or slavery is the one where you are not even aware you are a slave. Huxley introduced the very idea of "the matrix". A prison you cannot see, taste, smell or touch. A prison that surrounds you from the moment you are born to the moment you die. A prison where even the escapees who live outside the prison walls are simply a part of the greater system of control.
 
mindlessobserver dijo:
The worst kind or slavery is the one where you are not even aware you are a slave. Huxley introduced the very idea of "the matrix". A prison you cannot see, taste, smell or touch. A prison that surrounds you from the moment you are born to the moment you die. A prison where even the escapees who live outside the prison walls are simply a part of the greater system of control.
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ehhh tbqh I disagree. if you dont know youre enslaved then its not really that bad (subjectively speaking)

look at how happy normies are even though they dont know the truth about many things, do you think blackpilled autists are any happier? LOL
 
mindlessobserver dijo:
The worst kind or slavery is the one where you are not even aware you are a slave.
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But nobody's really free.

If someone is the absolute slave of a perfect system that never seems to conflict with their desires, or if they're completely "free" and live exclusively with nature as their governing system, what's the difference?

Pain lies in the inbetween. It's when a system is dominant enough to suppress you, but not dominant enough to obtain functional perfection, which leaves its constituents lost in the middle and dissatisfied. They aren't a kept part of the machine, they're only used.

If someone wants to step up and tell me how to live then that's cool with me, but they'd better be good enough at it that I'm happier as a part of their system than I would be by taking the wheel myself.

And that's the true crime in current day; that the people who insist on being in charge are too weak, stupid, and insufficient for the job.
 
TIM4EUS dijo:
help me be a better poster. what was my faux pas in this situation
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If you don't intend to watch or discuss it then its generally not worth posting in reply. A 12 minute video's not a huge ask but if you aren't willing don't post in reply. Totally reasonable if its a very long video to ask for a TL;DR or a specific time for the point.

None of this is do-or-die but if you aren't willing to even to discuss it then it just comes across as shitposting. Which hey if that's what you want to do then more power to you.
 
mindlessobserver dijo:
Huxley was terrified of a perfect technocratic Oligarchy that ruled by pleasure.
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BNW wasn't really "ruled by pleasure" as much as "never allowed to grow up". All the main characters within the society are basically manchildren and are deliberately kept at a mental capacity of, at most, 18 year olds to the point they start giggling like retards when faced with any deep concept. It's a society of birds with clipped wings that have everything they ever wanted.
 
Agarathium1066 dijo:
If you don't intend to watch or discuss it then its generally not worth posting in reply. A 12 minute video's not a huge ask but if you aren't willing don't post in reply. Totally reasonable if its a very long video to ask for a TL;DR or a specific time for the point.

None of this is do-or-die but if you aren't willing to even to discuss it then it just comes across as shitposting. Which hey if that's what you want to do then more power to you.
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thanks for the feedback. tbh in my long shitposting career across many forums on the internet, its generally a faux pas to just video post* somebody with zero commentary. it feels very flippant, sort of like:

"you arent worth writing out a response for, just shut up and watch this"

thats how I interpret that kind of behavior, especially when my previous response is thoughtful and not obvious shitposting. IMO mindlessobserver is in the "wrong" here (not that it matters), but I understand there can be different perspectives on this.

*a 3-5 minute video is acceptable, but a 12 minute video? thats questionable
 
Uberpenguin dijo:
But nobody's really free.

If someone is the absolute slave of a perfect system that never seems to conflict with their desires, or if they're completely "free" and live exclusively with nature as their governing system, what's the difference?

Pain lies in the inbetween. It's when a system is dominant enough to suppress you, but not dominant enough to obtain functional perfection, which leaves its constituents lost in the middle and dissatisfied. They aren't a kept part of the machine, they're only used.

If someone wants to step up and tell me how to live then that's cool with me, but they'd better be good enough at it that I'm happier as a part of their system than I would be by taking the wheel myself.

And that's the true crime in current day; that the people who insist on being in charge are too weak, stupid, and insufficient for the job.
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You are never going to have a perfect political system (in terms of freedom, security and happiness) at all, but there are political systems which thrive due to their end goal being to make it's constituents happy for their own sake and for the good of the nation. What we're experiencing right now is a political system that is ran by people enriching themselves to the detriment of the people at large, but they use clever ploys and shit like that to distract us from the abyssal nature of our political and social reality: we are less free, less secure and less happy overall than we were a century ago and less self-sufficient. We need the system more than the system needs us (which differentiates good political systems from bad ones), so things like mass immigration and shipping jobs overseas or automating them are on table rather than finding solutions to the problems the average person has. This is (and the general incompetence of the upper classes of society at running society) is why things are so dismal now. You aren't wrong at all, but I just wanted to expand on your point.
 
Orwell offered some opinions on Brave New World in an article where he compared and contrasted it to another book that had been written earlier. The piece is here.

I always found 1984 to be equal parts a critique of Stalinism and a critique of Austerity Britain after world war 2. Postwar socialism in Britain was built by continuing the wartime economy and wartime rationing long after the war was over. Food rationing, for example, didn't end in Britain until the mid-1950s. His concepts of propaganda, editing of language and editing of history also had far broader application than just totalitarian governments. As well, his points about governments eventually stage-managing their own opposition as a part of social control was a good one.
 
TIM4EUS dijo:
thanks for the feedback. tbh in my long shitposting career across many forums on the internet, its generally a faux pas to just video post* somebody with zero commentary. it feels very flippant, sort of like:

"you arent worth writing out a response for, just shut up and watch this"

thats how I interpret that kind of behavior, especially when my previous response is thoughtful and not obvious shitposting. IMO mindlessobserver is in the "wrong" here (not that it matters), but I understand there can be different perspectives on this.

*a 3-5 minute video is acceptable, but a 12 minute video? thats questionable
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Lol what are you doing replying to people just tell us to kill ourselves
 
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