"Live and let live"

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Tolerance is the virtue of the weak. It's something to cling to when you're too pussified to tell that faggot to get out of that bathroom.
Moreover, the principle of "not tolerating the intolerant" means that the Good Guys have an out in case you decided
calling people nigger is the thing you like.
Besides, I'm old enough to have witnessed the slide towards insanity in real time. Do you seriously think you can convince people that remember what society used to look like that we need just need to tolerate harder?
In other words, stick your tolerance up your ass. I'm not making the mistake our parents did.
 
When I say live and let live, I mean that you can not be supportive of troonism without harming the people involved with it
What do you do when you encounter a trans person IRL? The only real solution is to treat them as you would anyone else - live and let live basically acknowledges that you do this.
Ostracize them. Refuse to associate with them. You're forced to in a business setting, but nobody is forcing you to go where they are or lend them a helping hand. You should be free to turn them into pariahs and unwelcome guests.

The second they accuse you of actionable discrimination, your live and let idea gets blown away. The second they appeal to the government for "trans rights" of any sort, your idea is dead. They have the same rights as the rest of us--not to get murdered or robbed--and the second they demand enforced "equality" of even the most symbolic sort, live and let live is dead.

You may be able to conceive of a benign troonism that fits within this narrow definition, but that troonism is not what has us talking about troons today. The people pushing it will never agree to your terms. You are already skidding down the slope while theorizing alternate realities at the top.

Tell me, who was able to predict that there would end up being books in elementary schools showing cartoon pictures of kids getting blowjobs and talking about it?

Anyone who remembers what was in the books pictured below.

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Like I said, slope trajectories are predictable, even if the timings vary.
 
When you were young
And your heart was an open book
You used to say, "Live and let live"
(You know you did
You know you did
You know you did
)

But if this ever-changing world in which we're living
Makes you give in and cry

Say live and let die
(Live and let die)
Live and let die
(Live and let die)
 
TLDR I'm pro letting people enjoy things, AMA
They literally tried to take the site down because there was ONE corner of the Internet where people didn't have to play along with their delusions. Where people could express what they really thought without having to write an entire paragraph apologizing like people do in Reddit.

Live and let live only works if both sides agree to the idea. Trannies have gotten people fired and businesses shut down because people didn't want to play along with their delusions.
 
When I say live and let live, I mean that you can not be supportive of troonism without harming the people involved with it
That's not "live and let live", that's "hating the sin but loving the sinner".
And even then, you want the person to cease their wrongdoings, as it is harming both the person and the community.
 
"Live and let live" would have worked pre-2016 or so. It's now the year 2025, these people are in power, disagreement with gender ideology can get you fired, there is a trans LGBT flag on every building, and this is one of the only websites where you can have this conversation. "Live and let live" would have only mattered if those non-binary stargender tumblrinas would have eventually grown out of it, instead of bringing their ideology to huge places of influence.

"You have to respect Lillith's gender identity or else I'll have to terminate your contract," and abiding by it isn't "live and let live." In any decade prior to current year it would have been questionably coercive. Why is it that I have to respect trans people's identities, and not say, otherkin or therians? What is my coworker identifies as a rabbit? What if my boss identifies as a cat? What if he asks me to clean out his litterbox after every shift? What if he wants pets and tummy scratches, or else I'm disrespecting his identity?

You're confused as to who actually has the boot in this picture. Or in this case, man-sized high heel. There is no live and let live.
 
@Internet Wizard if you have to coerce people into tolerating your behaviour, the concept of live and let live is entirely meaningless.

But we all know you knew that and are being a disingenuous faggot on purpose as per usual.
 
It's a two-way street to "live and let live". I expect others to let me "live and let live" as much as they expect me to do the very same for them. The problem is they don't want me to "live and let live" because my existence bothers them so damn much for some petty narcissistic reason, so they feel the need to disrupt it and cry bigotry when confronted about it.

I know the topic's more about sexuality, but this goes for everything, not just genitalia and preference of. If you cannot be bothered to respect another person's lifestyle and have to butt in to force them to live the way you want them to, you have proven yourself to be a danger to others and have no place in polite society.
 
It's a two-way street to "live and let live". I expect others to let me "live and let live" as much as they expect me to do the very same for them. The problem is they don't want me to "live and let live" because my existence bothers them so damn much for some petty narcissistic reason, so they feel the need to disrupt it and cry bigotry when confronted about it.

I know the topic's more about sexuality, but this goes for everything, not just genitalia and preference of. If you cannot be bothered to respect another person's lifestyle and have to butt in to force them to live the way you want them to, you have proven yourself to be a danger to others and have no place in polite society.
I agree with this. So long as either party is not physically harming the other (or their loved ones) it's simply more logical to brush it off and move on.
 
This all went completely awry when it became accepted wisdom that making someone feel bad is a form of harm and protecting against meanness has value. I could accept your right to be a degenerate as long as my right was equally defended to look you in the eye and call you a retarded faggot and laugh about it, but if the tolerance only goes one way, it's not really a principle. If I am expected to behave according to your standards even if I don't agree with them, then the same must be expected of you in reverse, regardless of "context", because you have no standing to assert that your line for what's acceptable is more correct than mine.

This is why virtue signaling and credentialism tend to go hand in hand, to look to the external to validate your own set of values as the correct set of what should and shouldn't be tolerated by everyone. We both possess the ability to wield rhetoric and statistics to "prove" our own view is objectively correct for all, so aligning with the dominant power structures lends more legitimacy by giving your angle social backing. This lets you maintain the stance that you are above the petty human tendencies of deciding your views based on your own subjective perspective, and frame what you desire as what is actually best for everyone whether the others know it or not.

The final problem I have with "live and let live" is that everything is intricately connected, unless you live in total isolation in a sealed vault, all of your actions affect other people. It's myopic to only look at the direct impacts of your actions and ignore the indirect ones that will come to pass years down the line as a result of a subtle change in your relationship with others or a gradual Pavlovian alteration in your own thought process and thus future habits. It's hubris to convince yourself these distant effects will not happen or won't matter. The evil of this mindset is that the only way to understand this and still justify it is to sincerely believe that nothing ever matters except your own happiness and any obstacle to that is to be done away with. There's a great irony in these types using deep detachment to rail against "social constructs" as something useless and detrimental, seemingly unaware that the entirety of civilization itself is the ultimate social construct and every attack on the concept of a social construct is a chip against the fundamentals of all society itself, aimed in the direction of pushing people back to brutal Law of the Jungle natural order, the system in which raw power itself is the only good. Every system of moral thought that's ever produced an empire or a stable civilization made personal sacrifice among the highest virtues, every society that's hopelessly mired in endless corruption century after century emphasizes pursuing only one's own needs and accepting injustice, and this is not a coincidence.
 
live and let live ie individual liberty is an argument thats important because it speaks across ideological lines. Since at least the smarter people in different camps understand that their brand won't necessarily always been in power 100% of the time forever. Part of the strength of the US constitution is that a lot of it is framed in logical libertarian terms. And that is a lot more convincing for disparate groups that fundamentally value different things than 'my deity/king/pet philosophy says x'. Of course there are plenty of unreasonable people who would take advantage of anything including tolerance from respect for individual liberty to eliminate individual liberty. But a respect for individual liberty should still be a bedrock if not sole principle to help unite reasonable people.
 
It's retarded to say that gay rights was the "slippery slope" to trans rights. Gay is something real, trannyism is a fantasy that denies reality. Why is it connected? Because they said so?
It's probably more accurate to say that porn was the slippery slope towards tranny rights, the internet was the slippery slope towards spreading mentally ill ideologies like tranny rights, religion and male supremacy was the slippery slope toward making free-thinking people rebel against rigid societal gender roles, the invention of agriculture and the industrial revolution was the slippery slope toward giving people enough time and resources to even think of trannyism. Just taking for granted that it's about "gay rights" because you don't like gays and they associated themselves with gay (by calling homosexuality trannyphobic) is gay and retarded.
 
It's retarded to say that gay rights was the "slippery slope" to trans rights. Gay is something real, trannyism is a fantasy that denies reality
I don't see how the fact that homosexuality being a "real" phenomenon and trannyism being a delusion correlates to the societal toleration of either of them. How you rationalise why one aberrant sexuality is legitimate while another one isn't is irrelevant to the fact that fags becoming accepted by wider society made trannies more palatable when their time came around based on the principles already laid out by the LGB movement, namely that they were born that way and that they can't help how they feel. You are right that porn and the internet played a role in their acceptance, though, but they weren't the sole reason.
 
I don't see how the fact that homosexuality being a "real" phenomenon and trannyism being a delusion correlates to the societal toleration of either of them. How you rationalise why one aberrant sexuality is legitimate while another one isn't is irrelevant to the fact that fags becoming accepted by wider society made trannies more palatable when their time came around based on the principles already laid out by the LGB movement, namely that they were born that way and that they can't help how they feel. You are right that porn and the internet played a role in their acceptance, though, but they weren't the sole reason.
To me this just sounds like gibberish because you're assuming that homosexuality is aberrant and that trannyism is a sexuality at all. Same-sex relationships exist in nature, whereas nowhere in nature do animals hold delusions about not being the sex they are. If you "don't see the correlation to the societal toleration" of a sick delusion and a natural phenomenon, that's because you're blinded by your own prejudices dictated by religion.
Trans was associated with gay rights because the first tranny activists were trans women in the gay rights movement (men). The blind acceptance and tolerance by society of male sexual fetishes like buying and using prostitutes all the way down to porn, cake farting, auto-asphyxiation and balloon popping kinks is the actual "slippery slope" here.
 
you're assuming that homosexuality is aberrant
I mean, it is. Regardless of what you think of it, homosexuality is quite literally aberrant by definition.
Same-sex relationships exist in nature
Oh, we're appealing to nature now? Alright, wanna know what else is natural? The disgust response heterosexual men feel when they see homosexuals kissing, even ones with a reported low prejudice towards homosexuals. It's like seeing maggots. And if you want to appeal to animal behaviour, they are also known to engage in cannibalism and rape.
that's because you're blinded by your own prejudices dictated by religion
There's plenty of reasons to dislike homosexuals without religion, like their propensity to spread diseases and predate on children.
The blind acceptance and tolerance by society of male sexual fetishes like buying and using prostitutes all the way down to porn, cake farting, auto-asphyxiation and balloon popping kinks is the actual "slippery slope" here
You're really tying yourself into knots trying to rationalise how the tolerance of faggots somehow didn't lead, even a little bit, to the tolerance of trannies.
I'm not arguing anymore with someone who unironically uses the fucking appeal to nature fallacy.
 
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