Kiwis kissed by Corona - Official coofer thread

[tuka]

Seems like Corona-chan likes me so much she keeps coming back. First time in Jun - nowhere near bad as people describe worst-cases. Just fatigue and hard dry cough, fever, short breath for a week. After that cleared up, just week+ asympt fatigue left, then pretty ok just waiting 2 weeks of home quarantine to end. Slightly worse than seasonal flu overall, plus busted senses and lost appetite (lost few kg) which doesn't normally happen to me with flu. Tested negative in Jul.

Starting a week ago got same dry coof again. Lost appetite and sense of smell about three days ago, got contact-traced to 2 epicenters yesterday, ordered home quarantine. Since 2nd wave is full swing now, they don't test here anymore unless you're full on ICU case and even then it takes forever (slav shitshow). Atm, bouts of coofing like retard, mild fever not as short breath or migraine as before tho, so it's either the same thing again, or seasonal flu got a bit worse I guess.

When asked phys why my case is so mild, and suggested if me not mouth breathing and being northern phenotype could correlate, she was surprisingly open to this line of speculation, but couldn't really confirm/deny. So no solid insight on whether corona is full-on nazi bioweapon against brownies/tards, sadly.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Lol, there's some top tier sperging ITT.

 

[John Titor]

Fuck, so it's true you can catch it twice?

 

[tuka]

Fuck, so it's true you can catch it twice?

Anecdotal in my case (no test for 2nd time due to system overload by boomers). But yea, know few colleagues who got coof confirmed each wave (we work in high exposure profession).

 

[Jimmy Durante's Ballsack]

Hey I got it again as well. Hooray!

Looks like someone is going to be playing a metric fuckload of Hyrule Warriors 2 over the next couple weeks! At least I finished chopping wood for the Winter last week; am more or less stocked with everything I need until Spring. Butchered a deer two weeks ago and technically I don't think they can stop me from hunting if I'm out there by myself on my own property. Not that any of the authorities out here would do that anyway; they're very hands-off with gay shit like that because they still have a frontal lobe and most people are also heavily armed.

I'd rather be working though. Oh well...

 

[Mrs. Addams]

You guys sure you've got it again? I have a co-worker who has loudly proclaimed he's got it (and it's even worse than they tell you) three times this year, only to test negative each time.

 

[Jimmy Durante's Ballsack]

You guys sure you've got it again? I have a co-worker who has loudly proclaimed he's got it (and it's even worse than they tell you) three times this year, only to test negative each time.

Yeah, my test came back today. As accurate as those have turned out to be.

For what it is worth I have a chance to take one of those 15 minute tests tomorrow, which I plan to do. But based on how my head hurts it feels like what I had the last time.

 

[Spastic Colon]

Forgive the stupid question as I'm borderline retarded when it comes to math and science, but how can a vaccine work if you are able to get it multiple times? Are people getting it a second time getting a mutated version of the virus? If so, I guess as long as the vaccine targets all those mutations it could still be effective.

 

[AnOminous]

Hey I got it again as well. Hooray!

Get well soon. Again. Fuck this bullshit so much. Is it like from now on we're going to have a corona season as well as a flu season? You figure with how hulkamania it's going it eventually has to burn through enough of the population that herd immunity kicks in.

Forgive the stupid question as I'm borderline retarded when it comes to math and science, but how can a vaccine work if you are able to get it multiple times?

I'm not sure we even know yet. I know some immune responses don't last forever. Some are lifelong. This one apparently isn't. I assume a vaccine, unlike a natural immune response, is at least intended to and designed to give a better response, but who knows? They're rushing these things out and who knows how good they are?

 

[Jimmy Durante's Ballsack]

Get well soon. Again. Fuck this bullshit so much. Is it like from now on we're going to have a corona season as well as a flu season? You figure with how hulkamania it's going it eventually has to burn through enough of the population that herd immunity kicks in.

Thanks!

My man, maybe I am just lucky (and I am blessed but I'll get to that in a moment) but I don't feel that sick at all. Just like last time. And since I (and others) were previously sick my family, close friends and I have forged new bonds and really set down and began working on our support network. We have better communication and a better flow of resources between our homes. It is a great thing and I hope everyone can find the same thing with their own group. No oversight required, just teamwork.

At the end of the day you cannot depend on anyone else except those who are close to you. No government, no county, and no multinational organization. Your life and existence are the people with whom you share it. And the bureaucrats can eat a flaccid tranny dick.

Anyway. Take your vitamin D3 every day and feel good. It's the best medicine.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

Forgive the stupid question as I'm borderline retarded when it comes to math and science, but how can a vaccine work if you are able to get it multiple times?

A couple different ways, depending on virus type and characteristics. Since Covid is a coronavirus they're hoping it'll act like other coronavirus' who tend to either "die out" (which is really more of a dramatic decrease in population and not a true extinction of the virus) from a lack of hosts due to herd immunity. or that the vaccine will help exert pressure on the virus population so that more mild, regular flu-like strains survive, or both. To do either of these you'll need to either have a vaccine that produces a long enough immune response, a vaccine that can be re-administered multiple times (think a tetanus shot, but instead of every 10 years it's every 4 months), or mass vaccination of 98+% of the population.

Are people getting it a second time getting a mutated version of the virus? If so, I guess as long as the vaccine targets all those mutations it could still be effective.

In some cases yes, some cases no. Theoretically the vaccine works against all currently known mutations, and should work for future variations, but it literally is a crapshoot. It could just as easy mutate with the result that the vaccine is totally useless.

 

[AnOminous]

This shit is not going to beat us.

 

[No Ma'ams Land]

The big panic about the vaccine's effectiveness is how it works against the new Mink variant that's set to splash down in places with large Mink farms.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/11/20/oregon-mink-farms-under-scrutiny-mutant-coronavirus-spreads-humans/6355833002/

The nation's largest farmed mink industries are found in Wisconsin, Utah and Michigan. And as of Nov. 4, 11 mink farms in the three states had reported COVID-19 outbreaks.

So that's nice. Biology's a bitch.

 

[lurk_moar]

A couple of weeks ago every other patient had covid.

Then I start getting that terrible, stale ashtray scent. Everything smells and tastes funny all of a sudden. I go from my sense and smell and taste are mostly recovered to everything tastes and smells weird.

Do I have covid again?

 

[T0oCoolFool]

Best friend has tested positive for it. She's in her late 20s, very fit, and eats healthy. She doesn't have a cough, fever, or any pain, but she can't stay awake at all. For the past week she's been extremely exhausted and sleeping all day and night, only getting up to eat or use the bathroom. This is so unlike her; she's always been an early to bed, early to rise gal since I've known her.

I hung out with her last weekend. To be on the safe side, I got tested this Friday. I don't think I have it, should get results hopefully tomorrow.

So, an update to this. I tested positive for it. I knew I had it before I got the results. I have been utterly exhausted. This is the weirdest exhaustion I ever felt. One minute I feel fine, next minute I become so tired that if I will fall asleep no matter what I'm doing. Seriously, I refused to drive this week because the sudden exhaustion is so extreme that it simply isn't safe. I've been sleeping every day this week.

If anyone cares to know: I am very healthy. Low body fat, good diet, works out daily, never smoked, don't drink, no underlying health conditions, etc.. I'm not worried about dying obviously, but I am concerned that this damn virus has managed to knock me off my ass this week. Hope there are no long term effects.

 

[FatalTater]

A couple of weeks ago every other patient had covid.

Then I start getting that terrible, stale ashtray scent. Everything smells and tastes funny all of a sudden. I go from my sense and smell and taste are mostly recovered to everything tastes and smells weird.

Do I have covid again?

I've gotten that ashy smell in my nose a few times since recovering too. I then go and test my sense of smell by sniffing my bottles of fragrance oil, laundry detergent, etc just to make sure it's still there. lol And so far, all is well. Not sure where the ash smell comes from.

If I ever get that debilitating exhaustion out of nowhere again, THEN I'll be worried.

 

[GreeneCoDeputy]

The big panic about the vaccine's effectiveness is how it works against the new Mink variant that's set to splash down in places with large Mink farms.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/11/20/oregon-mink-farms-under-scrutiny-mutant-coronavirus-spreads-humans/6355833002/

So that's nice. Biology's a bitch.

Yikes. There's a large mink farm right on the border of Utah and Salt Lake counties with unbroken suburban sprawl north to Salt Lake City and south to the Orem/Provo area which accounts for the vast majority of Utah's population. Fortunately the Utah Army Guard's largest facility is literally across the holler so the HRF can just go down and torch the farm.

 

[PepsiVanilla]

Then I start getting that terrible, stale ashtray scent. Everything smells and tastes funny all of a sudden.

Huh, interesting to hear that wasn't just me. I had heard of people losing their smell/taste of course but the way they get temporarily distorted once they *do* start to come back - and specifically that ashtray type smell you mention - took me a bit by surprise.

That would really suck to get it again, though. The illness itself wasn't that bad (fortunately I never experienced that exhaustion some of you are mentioning) but it's taking forever to completely regain those senses. I sometimes hit MAYBE 50% of both during the good moments now.

 

[Jimmy Durante's Ballsack]

Have not (yet) lost my sense of smell.

My brother in law did though. I keep ordering spicy food to keep myself honest.

Vitamin D3 my niggers.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Forgive the stupid question as I'm borderline retarded when it comes to math and science, but how can a vaccine work if you are able to get it multiple times? Are people getting it a second time getting a mutated version of the virus? If so, I guess as long as the vaccine targets all those mutations it could still be effective.

That's not a stupid question, its a damn good question and its a shame more people haven't been asking it.

Short answer: No. If the real thing wont give you future resistance then a vaccine is basically worthless.

Spoiler: Long Answer

Technically, you can "catch" it twice, as in intake the virus and have it attempt to attack cells. However, baring rare immune disorders or genetic incompetence, your body will pretty much fight it off quickly and effectively. Basically imagine the first infection being Washington crossing the Delaware, where the virus is the Americans and your body is the Hessians; with the follow-up infections being one of the scenarios where the Germans turn back the D-Day invasions.

There are three parts to an immune response: 1) Antibodies, which directly attack the virus 2) T-Cells, which destroy infected cells before the virus can use them to replicate 3) the genetic memory involved with the whole process (coding for the right antibodies in B-cells and T-cell memory)
Most of the "YOU CAN CATCH IT MULTIPLE TIMES!!!" fear-mongering comes from a retracted South Korean study which later chalked up their findings to false-positives & false-negatives during testing. The narrative was kept alive by subsequent studies in the west which found that some types (keep in mind there are 5 different types of antibodies) of antibodies don't last after infection.
Now this is obviously dumb because antibodies are 1/3 parts to the immune response, can be replicated (i.e. if you have no antibodies atm your body can always make more if it remembers the code), and dumber yet because even before COVID-19, it was generally accepted that the major avenue the body used to fight off the Coronaviridae family was T-cell mediation. Of course the narrative was brought into even further question because it turns out different types of antibodies do last from a primary infection.

Statistically speaking, out of millions of cases we have only handfuls of proven "reinfections" in the literature. Furthermore, considering that even the best tests have a 1% false positive rate; if serious reinfection were a common issue with COVID-19 then we would be seeing hundreds of thousands of reinfections, not dozens to hundreds at best.
Even then the majority of reported "reinfections" in otherwise healthy people* (excluding those with an obvious immune disorder) involve the second time around being either completely asymptomatic or otherwise weaker than the first time around, which goes into what I said about the virus getting BTFO'd on impact by T-cells & antibodies.

Now, to truly become sickly infected twice the virus would have to either 1) undergo a significant mutation (e.g. a change to a protein spike) or 2) enough otherwise begin mutations to functionally change its form to something different. What this causes is one or more links in the chain to falter (T-cells no longer recognize infected cells, specific antibodies no longer work, stored RNA codes are obsolete) due to the form of the virus becoming different than before. In the case that the virus mutates to this degree, then both a natural immune response and a vaccine-induced immune response are worthless. Its worth noting that as a simple RNA virus Coronaviridae are in the faster taxa of viri, however; they are still much slower mutating than the 3 Flus.

Now I personally believe a vaccine is absolutely possible, because I believe reinfection is a non-issue in 99.9% of normal situations. If I am wrong and reinfection is a serious issue, then I have 0 faith in a vaccine; because if the real thing can't prompt natural immunity then the fake thing sure as hell can't prompt it either.