Ken Burns - Here's a little story I got to tell...

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Lots of nigger worship in this one, but not as much Indian fellation as I expected there to be. Hell, I’m surprised at how often they call them Indians instead of Native Americans. Every time they say a positive thing about Washington, they have to remind you “he had slaves so he’s bad mmmkay.”
 
William Murderface dijo:
He's just redoing a great PBS series called Liberty!: The American Revolution, but he'll just add in more "and America is built on racism" into the mix. I'm sure this series will be well made and all of that, but as a student of the Revolution there won't be anything new to me, so many of the big name historians he'll use like Pauline Maier have died so he can't actually interview them but can slant their views, and we'll get lectured over and over about slavery and racism. I may watch it at some point, but then again I may not.
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I saw the trailer for it. Went on and on about the hecking blackerinos, the strong wahmen, the noble injuns, blah blah blah.
Hell no.
 
Does it ignore how Natives did total war campaigns where they would kill everyone besides women of a certain age? Because natives did that shit where they’d kidnap women, rape them, and then have the women of the tribe basically torment them until they broke. It’s like the bride kidnapping that exists in Turkmenistan.

Because part of Jefferson and Franklin’s complaints were how tribes would wipe their ass with treaties, claim that the war band that raised a village was a different tribe, and then later “buy” or “trade” for a woman for a raiding party. Daniel Boone got fucking lucky when he got conscripted by a tribe.
 
This is the quality of writing this show has. I'm paraphrasing because I can't bring myself to watch it a second time to get the quote right.

Anyway, "...blahblahblah Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Virginia Declaration of Rights and the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom and A Summary View or British Rights in America and established the University of Virginia, but none of that matters because he owned slaves."
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger dijo:
Does it ignore how Natives did total war campaigns where they would kill everyone besides women of a certain age? Because natives did that shit where they’d kidnap women, rape them, and then have the women of the tribe basically torment them until they broke. It’s like the bride kidnapping that exists in Turkmenistan.

Because part of Jefferson and Franklin’s complaints were how tribes would wipe their ass with treaties, claim that the war band that raised a village was a different tribe, and then later “buy” or “trade” for a woman for a raiding party. Daniel Boone got fucking lucky when he got conscripted by a tribe.
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Well, no, they just kind of skipped over that.
 
I wouldn't say it ignored it so much as beat on the drums of "evil colonizing Europeans showed up and took everything from the peaceful natives and ended up using them as tools in their worldwide colonial wars and anything the natives did that was bad by our standards they learned from the Europeans first."

I've found that this series is the most heavy handed and lecturing of all the ones Burns has done to this point, even worse than The Civil War or Baseball.
 
Womble of Wimbledon dijo:
Using the baseball one as an example, he completely distorted the story of Ty Cobb to make him out to be basically Satan in a jersey. The truth is nowhere near what was portrayed in the documentary.
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Yeah this really shows what he's all about. After the series came out in 1994 he could have conceivable argued that he wasn't aware that Al Stump made all that shit up about Ty Cobb. OK, mistakes happen. But then he came out with an addendum on the series called "The 10th Inning" in 2010, and after 15+ years of being called out for his faggotry, he still wouldn't correct the record on Cobb, so that shows the only thing that matters is the agenda.

He also single-handedly convinced a generation of people that the Negro Leagues were on par with the Major Leagues, rather than just an exhibition league with a few legitimate stars in it. That's not a knock on Satchel Paige, Oscar Charleston, Josh Gibson, Turkey Stearnes and maybe a few others, but the majority of Negro League players weren't major league quality. But if you listen to Ken Burns tell it, he rewrites history to make liberals feel good.

So I would imagine all of his "documentaries" suffer from the same corny narrative crafting.
 
William Murderface dijo:
I wouldn't say it ignored it so much as beat on the drums of "evil colonizing Europeans showed up and took everything from the peaceful natives and ended up using them as tools in their worldwide colonial wars and anything the natives did that was bad by our standards they learned from the Europeans first."

I've found that this series is the most heavy handed and lecturing of all the ones Burns has done to this point, even worse than The Civil War or Baseball.
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Oh god, he probably is one of the odd faggots who cries about the Aztec and how we need to ignore the skull piles, ritual war to collect sacrifices, and cannibalism. I’ve had one say “actually the children were happy to be sacrificed” like that isn’t fucked up and a fucked up cope.
 
Unarmed Gunman dijo:
Yeah this really shows what he's all about. After the series came out in 1994 he could have conceivable argued that he wasn't aware that Al Stump made all that shit up about Ty Cobb. OK, mistakes happen. But then he came out with an addendum on the series called "The 10th Inning" in 2010, and after 15+ years of being called out for his faggotry, he still wouldn't correct the record on Cobb, so that shows the only thing that matters is the agenda.

He also single-handedly convinced a generation of people that the Negro Leagues were on par with the Major Leagues, rather than just an exhibition league with a few legitimate stars in it. That's not a knock on Satchel Paige, Oscar Charleston, Josh Gibson, Turkey Stearnes and maybe a few others, but the majority of Negro League players weren't major league quality. But if you listen to Ken Burns tell it, he rewrites history to make liberals feel good.

So I would imagine all of his "documentaries" suffer from the same corny narrative crafting.
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The other big piece of the Negro Leagues he didn't touch was there were only so many positions in total, so many jobs for players. Integration put a lot of black players entirely out of work (and more than a few white players) especially once the Negro Leagues folded entirely. There were even editorials in the black sporting press of the time that while what Jackie Robinson and the others did was admirable, almost overnight there was a real drain of talent from the black teams and it was only going to get worse to the point that there would be no one, black or white, watching the Negro League teams. Then the teams and leagues did finally fold and all those second rate players were out of work.
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger dijo:
Does it ignore how Natives did total war campaigns where they would kill everyone besides women of a certain age? Because natives did that shit where they’d kidnap women, rape them, and then have the women of the tribe basically torment them until they broke. It’s like the bride kidnapping that exists in Turkmenistan.
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They talked about a woman named Jane McRae, but presented it like her killing was dramatically exaggerated propaganda. Hell, their argument was basically “she was probably a lot uglier than she was claimed to be, and she had red hair, so it’s okay that savages murdered and scalped her.”
 
AndSothisIsChristmas dijo:
They talked about a woman named Jane McRae, but presented it like her killing was dramatically exaggerated propaganda. Hell, their argument was basically “she was probably a lot uglier than she was claimed to be, and she had red hair, so it’s okay that savages murdered and scalped her.”
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She was engaged to a British officer, so she basically had it coming.
 
The character assassination of George Washington has been insane. Every other sentence has basically been “he was a dogshit general and a loser whose only skill was running away, unlike the TRUE heroes of the war- Loyalist women sitting at home writing sad letters.” Speaking of women, last episode had a lot of bizarre “men die horrifically in battle, women most affected” writing in it. They went on and on about what a ghastly injustice it was that women had to clean up gore and corpses from battlefields, while ignoring the fact that the men were, y’know, corpses.

I think we’ve only got about two episodes left, and we’re starting to get to the point where my state enters the war- I don’t reckon they’re going to do it justice despite the fact that we basically won the war for y’all. That’s two episodes to cover the siege of Charleston, Moncks Corner, Camden, Kings Mountain, Forts Watson and Motte, Cowpens, and Eutaw Springs (and Guilford Court House), when they spent about two minutes on Fort Moultrie and I don’t think they even mentioned William Jasper’s name. We all know it’s gonna be 30 minutes on Valley Forge, 20 minutes on Yorktown, an hour on shit that happens after the war and 45 minutes to an hour fellating women, niggers, and Indians.
 
When we get into the battles in SC and GA, maybe, just maybe, they'll get around to mentioning Spain's contributions to the war. Between cash, bringing in supplies via New Orleans, and tying up British troops in the Caribbean and Florida while picking off British shipping, one would think it might be worth noting at least once in the series.

If I had one criticism of the earlier mentioned Liberty! The American Revolution, it's that it focuses entirely on New England to Virginia and completely ignored the rest of the South, the western frontier (including George Rogers Clark's expedition to Indiana), the Indians on the frontier, the naval war, and the diplomacy that didn't involve France and borrowing money from Holland. The Revolution was far, far more than just Boston, New York, Penn., and Virginia.

I realize there's a lot of material to fit into not a lot of episodes, but at least try to fit some of it in.
 
How much does Abigail Adams get mentioned? Literally anything involving the Revolution in the last twenty years has had to include mentions of what an amazing, powerful, individualistic girlboss she was (sitting on her ass at home writing letters), and how she was the real intellectual powerhouse behind John Adams and possibly all the Founding Fathers.

As insufferable as Burns is himself, his last several docs have all been made with the assistance of a younger woman, so she's likely pushing him to insert more and more modern day DEI shit into everything, not that he needed much urging to begin with.
 
Quarterback Rex Grossman dijo:
How much does Abigail Adams get mentioned? Literally anything involving the Revolution in the last twenty years has had to include mentions of what an amazing, powerful, individualistic girlboss she was (sitting on her ass at home writing letters), and how she was the real intellectual powerhouse behind John Adams and possibly all the Founding Fathers.

As insufferable as Burns is himself, his last several docs have all been made with the assistance of a younger woman, so she's likely pushing him to insert more and more modern day DEI shit into everything, not that he needed much urging to begin with.
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I think they’ve quoted her like once (and they’ve quoted John Adams a bunch of times)

Edit: Almost as SOON as I sent this, they started babbling about her. Fuck me for tempting fate. Fortunately it was very brief, though, and they randomly started sperging out against the existence of rich people instead.
 
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It feels to me like Burns got his ass chewed up for not being "diverse" enough in some previous shows, so he's setting out to make it 50% women and POCs, and while I am here for some competing narratives about history, the last 250+++ years of American history have been mostly white guys and that's how it is. They were running shit. It's right there in the contemporary history of the time.

May as well throw a few blacks into the SS if you're going to tell a story where ACKshULLY women and POCs were shaping the country the whole time.
 
From how people here describe him he sounds like a faggot.
KiwiFuzz2 dijo:
It feels to me like Burns got his ass chewed up for not being "diverse" enough in some previous shows, so he's setting out to make it 50% women and POCs, and while I am here for some competing narratives about history, the last 250+++ years of American history have been mostly white guys and that's how it is. They were running shit. It's right there in the contemporary history of the time.

May as well throw a few blacks into the SS if you're going to tell a story where ACKshULLY women and POCs were shaping the country the whole time.
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He can do female Nazis or honorary Aryans like the pre-Palestinians but that would Actually cause a stir.
 
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