John Cameron Denton & Atomwaffen Division / Siegeculture - Satanic Vampire Neo-Nazis, autistic Strasserists, Helter Skelter cult

[Aurelian]

That is a filthy kosher lie me and most of my fascist brethren have no hope for fame or fortune, all I ask for is to die for my people if it be in pain and misery so be it. I reject anything that would comprise or degenerate my race especially the creature comforts of modern society. The only thing we ask is for a glorious death and if not that then at least dying to serve our volk.

Incredible RP. Roll a d20.

 

[Andre Wang Lin]

Just use the edgy satanist spergs as your shock troops/cannon fodder/fall guys for the race wur.

Yeah I still don't get why they aren't doing that. Satanic Sieging vs non-satanic Sieging doesn't seem to have any relevant difference, other than that the satanic shit is creepy because they talk about raping babies and men and they cut themselves and so on. But I mean, if your goal is to use terrorism to bring down civilization itself as outlined in Siege, how are you going to go all moralfag about baby rape?

O9A literally has the exact same goal as Mason's Siege.

I honestly think Mason himself is behind this. Don't quote me on that. But it appears to me that he is playing good cop to Rape's bad cop. Plus it doesn't make sense how Mason couldn't know about Rape turning the whole thing satanic. These guys are trying to clear his name by saying he's isolated, but I mean, he does podcasts. He's not that isolated.

 

[FemalePresident]

So do y'all Nazis have slap fights like this often, or is it a rare occurrence?

lol they behave like Mike Mikev, pure crippling :autism::autism:

Thanks for plaguing the thread btw

 

[Goebbels the Gerbil]

If we don't engage in extremely degenerate posting, then there is no way we will survive the race war.

 

[Andre Wang Lin]

The irony of James Mason being a follower of Christian Identity, and Rape (amongst others) being Satanists can hardly be understated.

Is it ironic though?

O9A talks explicitly about using CI.

And frankly, CI is basically "white Talmudism" as I have heard it preached, which makes it a whole helluva lot closer to satanism than to Christianity.

He paints the American system is a monolith that can't be stopped, and uses antiquated examples to illustrate his point.

Yeah, the whole concept is retarded. It is not adult material. Tailor-made for autistic Minecraft players. Assuming you had the power to make the system collapse (you don't), you could use that same power to take over the system.

The whole concept of "total collapse" doesn't even make sense. In order for it to work, you would have to collapse every system in the world at the same time. Otherwise, collapsing the American system would just lead to America being ruled by China and/or Russia. When we talk about the rise and fall of civilizations, it is always a transfer of power. Sometimes there is a brief period of chaos, but power vacuums exist and are filled. The only potential full-collapse and end of system would be a niggerpocalypse.

Furthermore, Hitler himself was legally installed as the ruler of a completely degenerate kiked-out nightmare - a very short time ago, in historical terms. For as much as these people talk about "Trve National Socialism," you'd think that would be relevant.

All of this ignores the complexity of the information age and the way that has changed the system.

If you combine the changes of the information age with reflection on the kike tactics used to take over the system - social-engineering/culture-creation as a means to force meme yourself into political dominance - you have a clear path to victory.

Lastly: "causing the system to collapse" is not only nonviable, it is also undesirable.

lol they behave like Mike Mikev, pure crippling :autism::autism:

Thanks for plaguing the thread btw

Can we get mikemikev in this thread please?

I want to get his take on things and he's banned on my forum. What's his @ here?

That would almost be heroic, if you weren't a nazi.


In my personal experience, this is basically what happens. They struggle to fit in anywhere, and often have some issue that is a barrier. Perhaps the barrier is self created, like not being able to hold down a job. Rather than look at themselves, they'd rather blame the "jews" and "coloreds" for things that. Then, they look at a bunch of statistics with no context on some political extremist site, and decide that they were right, because they went looking for reaffirmation of their previous assumption.

Essentially, 99% of racists have no sense of self-responsibility and would rather shift the blame onto a "boogeyman" of some sorts.

This Jewish explanation is particularly boring. And it isn't even intuitive - people only believe it because it has been so widely memed as an explanation.

It seems much simpler that a lot of people are just genuinely dissatisfied with the ways in which our societies were so drastically altered over the last century by Jews. Combine that with an inability to "believe in nothing" in the way that many posters on this forum claim to be able to do, and you have a desire to create change.

That would be the primary factor, which is shared by all strands of the far right.

As far as literal neo-Nazi extremists trying to bring down the entire system itself, as those in this thread (the non-satanists) supporting Siegism - there is presumably an element of being socially maladjusted, but there is so much of that in every sector of modern society that it becomes irrelevant as an explanation for any specific behavior pattern. Probably, they are blessed with a fighting spirit, which is a personality trait, and lack both leadership and the ability to discern why this plan is stupid.

The satanic ones are a separate issue entirely. This is presumably the result of various forms of mental illness.

 

[Goebbels the Gerbil]

These cultists love their fiction. Everyone grab a cup of coffee and sit down to enjoy this... terrible and degenerate story. Obligatory meth references included, of course.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Also it is meaningless to fear death as a national socialist we will all be reborn under Kalki in the end of the iron age.

Congratulations! You disagree with Nazi doctrine on many key issues! Let's break it down here:
-the Japanese: High IQ with some honorable tendency, conclusion: Ally with if possible
This is close enough to the Nazi conclusion that I'll score it as a point for you, although the Nazis went as far as saying that the Japanese were essentially "honorary Aryans".
-Islam: Wipe from the earth
The Nazi, Adolf Hitler, actually viewed Islam as a superior religion to Christianity (but inferior to Shintoism, whose religious ideals Hitler saw as most desirable). I quote: "The Mohammadan religion would have been far more compatible with us (the Nazis/the German ideal) than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity, with it's meekness and flabbiness?"
-Slavs: White's that have been fucked over by eastern ZOG
The Nazi Party would disagree with you: Slavs are one of the lowest racial castes, a race of savages who should be decimated, and the remainder treated as animals.
-the Polish: White people that are defending their land
Here, you again blatantly disagree with Nazi doctrine: the Polish are untermenchen who, at best, are useful as a slave class.
-Centralized vs. decentralized economies: We must strive towards a organic state
These words are empty and meaningless. Define your terms.
-Total war in perpetuity: Hell yeah, war and death is to men as birthing is to women.
Here, you also agree with the Nazi Party's official position; to a point.
-The manipulation of undesirables as cannon fodder: Do not use stupid people in the movement read SIEGE
The Nazi Party utilized useful idiots during the entirety of it's rise to power, most notably the Strasserists, whose ranks included open homosexuals and whose political leanings were Left-Populist. On a more strategic level, Hitler advises the manipulation of the weak and stupid as cannon fodder in Mein Kampf. SIEGE isn't the manual of the Nazi Party, the materials produced by the original thinkers of the Nazi movement, such as Mein Kampf are. What you are doing is like citing some Tumblr thinkpiece as a defense of why your position is totally Marxist.

So, in summary, while you are a white supremacist and a fascist, you are NOT a Nazi, much like some genderfuck commie isn't a Marxist. Your ideas are a perversion of Nazi doctrine twisted to your own egoistic desires.

 

[Kristallnacht]

The 17 year old kid wasn't involved with AWD, as far as I know he was just a fan. To make a long story short, the parents of his girlfriend found out about his views and made them break up and also went to the school to get him in trouble. They ended up walking in on them having sex after that and he shot them, idk why, and then himself. Completely unrelated.

Nick was an initiate in AWD.

Just ordered my copy of Hostia from Amazon as well. You all should order a copy as well. Iron Gates is another great read.

 

[KriegerSS]

Just ordered my copy of Hostia from Amazon as well. You all should order a copy as well. Iron Gates is another great read.

Iron Gates is torture porn, Hostia is a guidebook for satanists who want to infiltrate right wing groups. So would you kindly fuck off with your satanism like honestly dude I have no idea why you would follow Satan of all creatures real and false on this earth.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Just ordered my copy of Hostia from Amazon as well. You all should order a copy as well. Iron Gates is another great read.

Apologize for double-posting.

Iron Gates is torture porn, Hostia is a guidebook for satanists who want to infiltrate right wing groups. So would you kindly fuck off with your satanism like honestly dude I have no idea why you would follow Satan of all creatures real and false on this earth.

Why would you follow Hitler of all people?

 

[KriegerSS]

Yeah I still don't get why they aren't doing that. Satanic Sieging vs non-satanic Sieging doesn't seem to have any relevant difference, other than that the satanic shit is creepy because they talk about raping babies and men and they cut themselves and so on. But I mean, if your goal is to use terrorism to bring down civilization itself as outlined in Siege, how are you going to go all moralfag about baby rape?

O9A literally has the exact same goal as Mason's Siege.

I honestly think Mason himself is behind this. Don't quote me on that. But it appears to me that he is playing good cop to Rape's bad cop. Plus it doesn't make sense how Mason couldn't know about Rape turning the whole thing satanic. These guys are trying to clear his name by saying he's isolated, but I mean, he does podcasts. He's not that isolated.

Anglin, we must not allow Satanists in any right wing movement no matter how radical, the whole PURPOSE of the O9A is to subvert and control the group they infiltrate its a ludicrous idea to try to use satanists as foot soldiers (it would be like me proposing using Israeli agents as foot soldiers for your Nazi movement) I do not think you grasp how dangerous these satanists are.

Apologize for double-posting.

Why would you follow Hitler of all people?

Hitler is one of the people I follow but not he is not the center of my belief system I enjoy what he tried to accomplish in Nazi Germany but I do not entirely follow everything he professed or believed.

 

[Kristallnacht]

Iron Gates is torture porn, Hostia is a guidebook for satanists who want to infiltrate right wing groups. So would you kindly fuck off with your satanism like honestly dude I have no idea why you would follow Satan of all creatures real and false on this earth.

How many times must I say that WE DONT WORSHIP SATAN AS A LITERAL FUCKING BEING OR DEITY. FUCK.

 

[Andre Wang Lin]

Anglin, we must not allow Satanists in any right wing movement no matter how radical, the whole PURPOSE of the O9A is to subvert and control the group they infiltrate its a ludicrous idea to try to use satanists as foot soldiers (it would be like me proposing using Israeli agents as foot soldiers for your Nazi movement) I do not think you grasp how dangerous these satanists are.

I'm the one who has blown this up and made a thing of it.

The media put my face on an article about them this week. And they're going to do more violence, it's inevitable. I don't want anything at all to do with this shit, and in fact am posting about it because other than simply being interested, I want a significant public record of my opposition to it.

What I said is that I don't understand the issue that non-satanist Siege-posters have with satanist Siege-posters, since they clearly share goals. I have made it clear that I do not agree with the concept of collapsing society through terrorism. I have a plan that is at least coherent and actionable, whether it will work or not. I don't want anything to do with this kook shit.

 

[KriegerSS]

I'm the one who has blown this up and made a thing of it.

The media put my face on an article about them this week. And they're going to do more violence, it's inevitable. I don't want anything at all to do with this shit, and in fact am posting about it because other than simply being interested, I want a significant public record of my opposition to it.

What I said is that I don't understand the issue that non-satanist Siege-posters have with satanist Siege-posters, since they clearly share goals. I have made it clear that I do not agree with the concept of collapsing society through terrorism. I have a plan that is at least coherent and actionable, whether it will work or not. I don't want anything to do with this kook shit.

Thank you for making it clearer, I will say though if you find the time you should read SIEGE it has some interesting ideas in it but using it as a bible for all anti ZOG action is retarded and probably one of the original failings of AWD. They focused to much upon destroying the system and becoming monstrous that they let zero tolerance slip and invited satanists into their group. I still believe in allot of what SIEGE teaches and I would hope that people who actually follow the book do not agree with siding themselves with satanists, though it is becoming less and less clear as more information comes out.

 

[Andre Wang Lin]

How many times must I say that WE DONT WORSHIP SATAN AS A LITERAL FUCKING BEING OR DEITY. FUCK.

We get it, dude.

Satan as a symbol of an ideology of transgression of the traditional social order, which may or not at some point include actual worship of demonic entities which are definitely not the Biblical Satan.

We've got some serious Dunning-Krugering going on here, but try to understand that the disagreement is not based on an inability to understand the intellectual depth of your allegedly highly unique and fascinating doomsday cult.

Understanding what you are talking about =/= thinking it is not fucking exceptional.

 

[KriegerSS]

How many times must I say that WE DONT WORSHIP SATAN AS A LITERAL FUCKING BEING OR DEITY. FUCK.

Will you at least admit to following the left hand path?

 

[Kristallnacht]

Will you at least admit to following the left hand path?

I do follow the LHP. That doesn't mean I worship a literal being/deity named Satan as you would understand/interpret.

 

[Andre Wang Lin]

I listened to the Linder reading at the gym a year and a half ago when this first became a thing (and before the podcast scene was so good). I found it to be interesting content overall, but it wasn't profound and much of the ideas that might have been relevant in the 80s are simply obsolete.

I will grant that the cult that has formed around it is selective in what it is choosing to focus on from the book. That is fair enough.

But to say it doesn't make sense how these Satanists follow it is wrong. It makes very clear sense that they would be interested in Siege and O9A. Just the simple fact of the inclusion of the Manson passages in Siege should be enough to explain it.

To be honest with you, Siege itself can easily be looked at as a Satanic text masquerading as a right-wing text.

 

[KriegerSS]

I do follow the LHP. That doesn't mean I worship a literal being/deity named Satan as you would understand/interpret.

Now I have gone very far into as much spirituality as my fairly recent trip into esoteric knowledge has allowed but I still cannot understand something, the question I would like to ask you is *why* would you follow the LHP its is anti fascism and pro sexual degeneracy. So Krisstallnacht I would enjoy a explanation from you about why you have chosen to follow this instead of the RHP?

 

[Andre Wang Lin]

Now I have gone very far into as much spirituality as my fairly recent trip into esoteric knowledge has allowed but I still cannot understand something, the question I would like to ask you is *why* would you follow the LHP its is anti fascism and pro sexual degeneracy. So Krisstallnacht I would enjoy a explanation from you about why you have chosen to follow this instead of the RHP?

Bro they're not even claiming to be Nazis.

They're just openly saying that they are satanists who like Nazi imagery because it is transgressive.

I understand they're switching back and forth from admitting that and not admitting that as they try to recruit from right-wing circles, but at this point they've admitted it enough times that treating in good-faith the idea that this group has anything at all to do with politics isn't helpful.