Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)
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- 24 de Dic, 2019
First time it's ever been done? Pardon me, sir?
Even if you hate Trump, how can you accept Biden lying so brazenly, so openly, so badly here? And how hard is it to end all conversation by saying 'No we're not gonna pack the courts' ?
This isn't like Trump and white supremacy where he's been invited to disavow racism every time he makes a public appearance. He did it vocally in 2016 several times, so come 2020 I can understand him getting tired of and ignoring the question (especially when the person asking really just wants Trump to condemn the likes of Kyle Rittenhouse by proxy)-- whereas Biden just has to give a Yay or Nay here and the media will do all the clean-up after!
Pence was right in the VP debate, the waffling and the bullshit tells you that yes, Kamala and Joe are gonna pack the courts if they think they can get away with it. Just because they're not seriously campaigning doesn't mean millions aren't seriously paying attention.
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- 25 de Mayo, 2013
It's bad enough to avoid answering, but to get pissy and in less than a minute accuse everybody who asks if being the other team and then exactly say that voters don't deserve an answer is really impressive.
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- 13 de Feb, 2019
This is an incredibly optimistic assumption you've made here
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- 1 de Sep, 2019
joe did the same to a hispanic asking about deportion. "go vote for trump" he replied.
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- 21 de Mayo, 2019
Maybe it is all just a trick to rile Republicans up into asking "Why doesn't Joe just say X? How hard is it?", as a counter to the perception that President Trump is not denouncing white supremacists.
Then they can say "GOTCHA!"
Then they can say "GOTCHA!"
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- 24 de Dic, 2019
*Golden Dawn getting outlawed to protect the vested interests of centre-Establishment blocks your path*
Having 10 parties vying for power doesn't de-polarise anything. All it does is splinter the strength of individual parties (meaning strong shifts in voter preference won't lead to a strong lurch in government policy) and in turn give the centre consensus even more power, because most winning coalitions are gonna overwhelmingly favour consolidation over ever giving the extremes a chance.
Imagine if America was multi-party in 2016, or 2012, or 2008. The RINO factions would NEVER tolerate Trump, because he deviates from the neoliberal consensus. They were forced to shut up or fuck off because they shared a ticket and their base voters preferred America First message. If they could cross the aisle to support Hillary and take those Electoral College seats with them, they would (and you're seeing a soft attempt now with all these 'Bastions of Conservatism' like Dubya and Kasich endorsing Biden)
I have no love for Golden Dawn, not in the slightest, but their illegality highlights quite well how parties with a legacy will get assistance from the judiciary and civil service. Last year IIRC it happened in Italy too. Their populist right party got hamstrung through legal fuckery out of calling a snap election. The idea was they were opportunistically calling one to maximise political gains-- as though it was some illegal subversion rather than a totally natural thing parties do when the current alliance isn't working out anymore.
A Trump Party would NEVER get a foothold in 2016 alone. Trump succeeded by co-opting an established party and its infrastructure. The most effective populists rarely win, in the UK and Australia they literally scare an established party into ripping it off.
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- 17 de Dic, 2019
It would piss off the parts of the left that want it, and the media is helping to block any consequences of not answering, since literally only Republicans seem to be asking.
Not answering is part of the larger Quantum Biden strategy where the far left, moderates , and centrists can just assume their preferred answers, same with fracking, police and the GND.
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- 9 de Oct, 2019
I've SEEN it happen during the migration from 2 parties to our current system here in spain during the 2010s, one of the first and most blatant effects was that thank to coalition governments affecting the SC and anti-corruption a LOT of shit they'd been hiding from before started poping up as shit got declassified. It ain't no assumption. It's reality.
Without a bipartidistic system fringe parties would've started affecting policy long before even needing such drastic measures. We can see that happen all over europe, multi-party systems have changes in policy that are far more gradual, and while say Alternate Vote does give the center a big advantage (though nowhere near as large as a bipartidistic system), STV actually tends to give more power to the fringe ideologies due to people usually leaving the "safe bets" for lower down the line. In fact that's been one of the biggest critiques of the system by its detractors, that it amplifies otherwise fringe parties.
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- 24 de Dic, 2019
That may be true in Spain, where iirc it was split 4 ways, correct? And 2 of the growing parties were populist yet diametrically opposed?
But look to the rest of Europe and see what happens. Sweden, Ireland, Netherlands, Germany, and so on. They have a populist party. The math says it makes sense for them to get into government on a coalition and get 2 or 3 of their policies implemented (which are overwhelmingly popular yet the mainstream doesn't touch) and what happens instead? The central parties close ranks and form incongruent alliances to deny the new party legitimacy.
This type of behaviour isn't unique. Trump is a good example of even when the populist gets power, he's subject to getting hamstrung by his alleged 'allies' behind closed doors. But the fact remains a party can get 20-30% of the vote share in a multiparty system, and have the momentum on their side, and the other parties are under 0 obligation to go into government with them if they don't want to.
In the likes of France or the UK, the reply seems to be neoliberals consciously embracing the trappings of what makes these populist movements popular, and embracing one or two surface-level reforms, but at the end of the day it be a rebranding of the same types of people that have been in power before the 2008 Recession. It's fascinating how everybody is trying to get out in front of and exploit the blatant disillusionment so many have with contemporary politics, but doesn't distract from the reality that established politicians and powers that be aren't gonna just wing it and give the new faction a chance at power unless their mandate is undeniable.
To loop this back to Joe, the old order would sooner install a senile old man by any means necessary than have Trump upset the apple cart any more than he's already done. Democrats want him gone despite consciously having no message for their base to be passionate about, and traditional republicans because he's trying to fix the party without their blessing.
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- 9 de Oct, 2019
Actually it was 7 ways, although admittedly it was already cut in 4. (2 of them are the regionalists, basque and catalonian. They'll always be minor but they'll always have enough power to possibly be the swing votes. The other one you're not counting is Ciudadanos. It's easy not to count them, they are a literal and metaphorical PP gayop to try and syphon votes off of Vox and the PSOE with lies, and they've failed at both, only stealing votes off the PP itself, they are quite a pathetic fucking party)
France and the UK spend half their time being on fire for a reason. 2 party systems only move forward once shit hit the fan, multiparty systems can avoid getting that bad to begin with. Yes it can be a shitshow. God knows Germany is one. But the others aren't that bad. Sure they're not perfect, no system is, but they do slowly implement measures, and that's not taking into account that they don't use STV, they use laws like the D'Hont system (which sadly is the spanish) which do push towards the status quo, just less than FPTP.
Look, I'm no stranger to centrist megaconglomerates. Catalonia is dominated by one (the tripartito) and god knows it sucks, and germany is a fucking farce of democracy. But it ain't any different in the UK and France, and it sure as shit wasn't any different in spain when we had a 2 party system (with regionalist minorities), and we've resisted merkel's lobbying for a PP-PSOE alliance (and Ciudadano's lobbying for the same) precisely because shit was already polarized enough than the PSOE knew it would spell death not to go with the left. So with america's current pollarization, you'd be well and truly immunized for a few decades at least. It'd certainly be better than another Obama era neocon/neolib alliance taking over!
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- 31 de Oct, 2019
Just bring monarchy back and we cool.
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- 3 de Nov, 2018
Yeah that's going real well in Britain ain't it?
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- 31 de Oct, 2019
Britain is not really a monarchy. Constitutional monarchy more like. Monarch has zero power.
I actually prefer Nazi party than anything. They got shit done for the country. Except going to unwinnable wars.
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- 16 de Jun, 2019
That last bit is the kicker, isn't it?
What, are you going to start advocating that we try it again, because 'This time we'll do it right' and 'That wasn't REAL Naziism'?
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- 31 de Oct, 2019
Suppressing unclean should be the national duty of all citizens faggot.
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- 20 de Dic, 2019
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- 17 de Ago, 2019
Preferential voting system is how Arden became PM of New Zealand despite only getting like 20% of the vote, and why Trudeau is in power even though the popular vote was conservative.
When the electoral system starts requiring complex preferences on ballots and formulas that voters can barely understand to even work out who has won... it feels very undemocratic.
Call a lid, Joe is late for his milky nursemaid nap time.
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- 12 de Ene, 2017
Sounds like Biden is advocating for lolis with big tits. But even it still won't ever feel enough.
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- 9 de Oct, 2019
In the case of Arden, she god 36, but more importantly, she only won because she formed a coalition government which held more than 50% of the popular vote, and votes to seats it was a very fair ellection with no weirdness. MMP CAN sometimes result in odd things, all systems can (let's not forget how much the dems reed about popular vote...) but that time wasn't the case, she won fair and square by any and all accounts, and MMD is very easy to understand (it just makes seats proportional to votes, it is that symple)
Same for trudeau. No weird matha involved, seats to votes its certainly fairer than D'hont or Fptp, and conservatives did not win popular vote at all. Yes they got more votes than trudeau, but they only got about 40% of the popular vote, with trudeau getting 39 and another leftie party getting 19, so they made a coalition, it makes perfect sense. I don't like trudeau one bit, but canada voted for him and his allies, as far as I'm concerned they deserve what they got.
If you don't like MMD maybe STV is your thing. Personally I do prefer it, although I admit its certainly wackier, so I get why a lot of people prefer MMD and find it acceptable too... certainly better than dhont or fptp.
Stv has practically no weird maths ever, except maybe due to number of seats per region (much like with the electoral college) but it has no gerry mandering and no status quo pull. Issue is, sometimes some real fucking memes get to power because people are like "well X probably will be president so I'll vote Y and give X the second place" and it turns out Y actually wins, and Y might just be Vermin motherfucking Supreme, so you know. It is definitely a bit... odd. But it sure as shit doesn't let the politicians get complacent!
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- 27 de Mar, 2019
Shortstacks are baller, though.
...we are talking about short women with large busts, right?
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