Jew Conspiracy - Where and how did it first started?

[raskogr]

I think it's important to note that yous seem to be describing mostly American Jews. Here in the UK, Jews don't hold as much power to the same extent as they do in the US as far as I'm aware. They're mostly Ultra-Orthodox Jews (who apparently hate Israel as mentioned in this thread, although I've never quizzed an Ultra-Orthodox Jew on their views on Israel before) who live in their own communities and don't bother anyone. They overwhelmingly vote Conservative and are hated by the Labour party. They do have their problems but it's mostly shit that they do to each other rather than in politics, the only thing they do I can think of which would rub the general public the wrong way is how they register their homes as religious buildings to avoid paying taxes. I think the rise of anti-semitism in the UK is mostly due to Muslim immigration as well as influence from American media.

Israeli Jews also don't fit the bill despite being the subject of many a conspiracy, although it's understandable considering their role in the Middle East, the American Jews' bias towards it, and the money the US shovels into it. George Soros is hated in Israel and they do not support the "browning" of white countries, they seem to be generally more right wing and nationalistic. Obviously the hypocrisy of leftist American Jews advocating for open borders in the US while supporting a nationalistic "Apartheid state" and Israel's treatment of Palestinians and conflict with its neighbours don't help the Jews' overall image.

It's not a surprise Jews would be associated with such conspiracy theories since they hold a disproportionate amount of power in the world's wealthiest and most powerful country, but it's important to not conflate all Jews in the world with American Jewish elites. It's a shame to see the Jews in my country face the consequence of the actions of Jews in 2 far aways nations (the US and Israel) that they played no part in.

 

[SilkGnut]

My problem with the jews is that when they're involved in politics, half of them are right wing neocons that want us to waste money fighting in wars that don't concern us, and the other half are far left socialists that want us to have open borders with Mexico. This is done while passionately supporting Israel's right to have a wall.

It wouldn't be so bad if they were any other ethnic group, but because of their high IQ's they hold a disproportionate amount of power and are able to manipulate the direction the country is going in through lobbying and their control of the media.

Also, someone here earlier said that jews tend to put their own kind first. I've had several jewish friends over the years and this is true. It's never done in an overt in your face sort of way, but in small indirect ways. The non-jewish people who see this kind of nepotism don't make the connection because they see all jews as white.

It is frustrating that one can't point out the common features of general high intelligence and tendency towards helping those who are similar to themselves without causing a significant ruckus in most discussions. These are not inherently negative qualities, they just have negative consequences for those who are not part of their community. Granted, the fact that you can extrapolate the rest of the theory from those factors would explain a lot of the anger.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

It is frustrating that one can't point out the common features of general high intelligence and tendency towards helping those who are similar to themselves without causing a significant ruckus in most discussions. These are not inherently negative qualities, they just have negative consequences for those who are not part of their community. Granted, the fact that you can extrapolate the rest of the theory from those factors would explain a lot of the anger.

Not really: the average antisemetic conspiracy theory doesn't just say "Jews are more likely to give a leg up to other Jews": it holds that Jews actively try to destroy the communities they're in.

 

[SilkGnut]

Not really: the average antisemetic conspiracy theory doesn't just say "Jews are more likely to give a leg up to other Jews": it holds that Jews actively try to destroy the communities they're in.

There is a fine line between promoting one's own community and hurting those who are not part of it.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

There is a fine line between promoting one's own community and hurting those who are not part of it.

I suspect you are being deliberately obtuse, so to be clear: there is a very thick line between nepotistic hiring practices and encouraging moral decay, importing armies of negro subhumans, and faking the Holocaust entirely because you hate white people. (For black Israelites, substitute "negro" with "cracker")

 

[Super-Chevy454]

There's another thread about Jewish conspiracy on Kiwifarms. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jewish-conspiracy-thread.50029/

To add a bit more on the table of conspiracies on the table, there's was a quote attributed to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who talked of the Russian Revolution along with an article from Time magazine published in 2011 about the KGB who declassified some files about Lenin. http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html ( http://archive.is/lTINz )

 

[SilkGnut]

I suspect you are being deliberately obtuse, so to be clear: there is a very thick line between nepotistic hiring practices and encouraging moral decay, importing armies of negro subhumans, and faking the Holocaust entirely because you hate white people. (For black Israelites, substitute "negro" with "cracker")

It seems we have a very different idea of what their average conspiracy looks like. Your examples look like a bad parody.

...but that's the point, isn't it?

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

It seems we have a very different idea of what their average conspiracy looks like. Your examples look like a bad parody.

...but that's the point, isn't it?

Everything he said is exactly the shit /pol/fags parrot without a hint of irony.

 

[RockVolnutt]

My problem with the jews is that when they're involved in politics, half of them are right wing neocons that want us to waste money fighting in wars that don't concern us, and the other half are far left socialists that want us to have open borders with Mexico. This is done while passionately supporting Israel's right to have a wall.

It wouldn't be so bad if they were any other ethnic group, but because of their high IQ's they hold a disproportionate amount of power and are able to manipulate the direction the country is going in through lobbying and their control of the media.

Also, someone here earlier said that jews tend to put their own kind first. I've had several jewish friends over the years and this is true. It's never done in an overt in your face sort of way, but in small indirect ways. The non-jewish people who see this kind of nepotism don't make the connection because they see all jews as white.

This is why I always laugh at Jews who drink SJW kool-aid when they want to do "My fellow white people" rambling but then 180 to "lol I'm Jewish, I'm not white!". Whatever their particular intent was or the whims of whatever segment of the demographic is doesn't matter. Tyrone, Juan, and Wang can't tell the difference or even care and it makes Muhammad go from angry to nuclear. I'm a full-blown Amerimutt and even I get considered "White" due to having really pale skin which I'm fine with.

If any part of the "Jewish conspiracy" is real, I'd put my money on it being short sighted and ironically dooming the conspirators. You can't go "undercover" for long without becoming assimilated and I'm pretty sure they've reached that point. Imagine Israel vs a whole planet of people who either consider them white devils or infidels.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

This is why I always laugh at Jews who drink SJW kool-aid when they want to do "My fellow white people" rambling but then 180 to "lol I'm Jewish, I'm not white!". Whatever their particular intent was or the whims of whatever segment of the demographic is doesn't matter. Tyrone, Juan, and Wang can't tell the difference or even care and it makes Muhammad go from angry to nuclear. I'm a full-blown Amerimutt and even I get considered "White" due to having really pale skin which I'm fine with.

Said kool-aid drinkers do have an odd tendency to think they're entitled to have it both ways. I have an acquaintance who matches that description who can seamlessly transition from complaining about how bad it is that Jews and Muslims don't get along like they did in the Middle Ages, to complaining about how mean Christians were to Jews in the Middle Ages.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

It seems we have a very different idea of what their average conspiracy looks like. Your examples look like a bad parody.

...but that's the point, isn't it?

So you are being deliberately obtuse. Good to know.
In case you aren't: I would advise going to Thulean Perspective, /pol/, Stormfront, or taking a look at the works of A. Wyatt Mann.

 

[SilkGnut]

So you are being deliberately obtuse. Good to know.
In case you aren't: I would advise going to Thulean Perspective, /pol/, Stormfront, or taking a look at the works of A. Wyatt Mann.

If you think Wyatt Mann is espousing "the average antisemetic conspiracy" then I guess we're at an impasse.

I don't deny that these people exist, but I'm not sure how autistic it is to say they represent the extremes of their ideology.

It's easier to lump all fools together, but I'm not sure if it's wise.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

If you think Wyatt Mann is espousing "the average antisemetic conspiracy" then I guess we're at an impasse.

I don't deny that these people exist, but I'm not sure how autistic it is to say they represent the extremes of their ideology.

It's easier to lump all fools together, but I'm not sure if it's wise.

As someone who's spent a lot of time in the gutters of conspiracy theory- very. /Pol/ is fairly moderate when it comes to antisemitism, seeing that they do not assert that Jews are malevolent aliens, demons in flesh, or literal blood-sucking vampires.
EDIT: Saying "Jews are more likely, statistically-speaking, to help out other Jews than non-Jews, given that both have a connection to their Jewish heritage" isn't a conspiracy theory, it's the application of a sociological phenomenon (ingroup bias) to a specific case. Saying "Jewish people will only ever help other Jews and go out of their way to screw other ethnic groups" is antisemetic, but not a conspiracy theory. Saying "Jews all collaborate in secret to control the US government" is an antisemetic conspiracy theory.

 

[JektheDumbass]

I think there are very evil men in places of power that are Jewish. Most Jews I know are working the same shit jobs everyone else is (are? Not sure on the grammar here).

 

[raskogr]

There's another thread about Jewish conspiracy on Kiwifarms. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jewish-conspiracy-thread.50029/

To add a bit more on the table of conspiracies on the table, there's was a quote attributed to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who talked of the Russian Revolution along with an article from Time magazine published in 2011 about the KGB who declassified some files about Lenin. http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html ( http://archive.li/lTINz )

That's interesting considering the Soviet Union persecuted Jews ?
Also, imagine thinking the Russian Revolution was against Russians and not against the Russian monarchy (who were ethnically German)

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

That's interesting considering the Soviet Union persecuted Jews ?
Also, imagine thinking the Russian Revolution was against Russians and not against the Russian monarchy (who were ethnically German)

The Soviet Union persecuted Jews under Stalin. Before then, when it was Lenin and Trotsky running the show, antisemitism was illegal (and I leave to your imagination what the punishments for breaking the law were.) When Lenin died and Trotsky fell, he took most of the Jewish contingent with him, hence Stalin's 180 on Lenin's policies.

One of the big downsides to standing as a group is that you also fall as one.

E: AFAIK, there's a lot of doubt about the authenticity of that quote. Since 200 Years Together has never had an official English translation (AFAIK) it's hard to look up.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Here in the UK, Jews don't hold as much power to the same extent as they do in the US as far as I'm aware.

It is optimistic to not recognize both the power the US has on the UK or that the ultrarich have transnationally. Though european aristocracies and particularly the brits hold an obscene amount of power behind the scenes which balances it a little bit.

 

[raskogr]

It is optimistic to not recognize both the power the US has on the UK or that the ultrarich have transnationally. Though european aristocracies and particularly the brits hold an obscene amount of power behind the scenes which balances it a little bit.

To me that would feel like the US or the rich are conspiring, not the Jews.

The Soviet Union persecuted Jews under Stalin. Before then, when it was Lenin and Trotsky running the show, antisemitism was illegal

That would be understandable because before then, and after when Stalin came to be power, anti-semitism was legal. And when I say anti-semitism I don't just mean saying something mean about Mark Zuckerberg or posting a happy merchant meme, I mean ransacking entire towns and murdering men, women, and children. Progroms were given the royal seal of approval by the Tsar so you could see why a new revolutionary government that's meant to change society would do away with that.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

To me that would feel like the US or the rich are conspiring, not the Jews.

At risk of going all /pol/ here, how significant is the point where all three circles in that Venn diagram overlap?

That would be understandable because before then, and after when Stalin came to be power, anti-semitism was legal. And when I say anti-semitism I don't just mean saying something mean about Mark Zuckerberg or posting a happy merchant meme, I mean ransacking entire towns and murdering men, women, and children. Progroms were given the royal seal of approval by the Tsar so you could see why a new revolutionary government that's meant to change society would do away with that.

But you see how the see-saw effect would work here, right? The Russian empire treats the Jews like shit, so when this revolution turns up, they join en masse. Revolution wins, antisemitism is made illegal as essentially one of the spoils of victory. But then the power within the revolutionary government shifts, and the Jewish faction (or, at least, the faction that contains the bulk of the Jews, however that works out) fall out of favor, and suddenly antisemitism is cool again. One of those vicious cycle things.

 

[raskogr]

I've always seen the Jews like the Chinese, at least in my country. They're both longstanding communities that have originally come from somewhere else, are generally intelligent and do well in society, and they keep to themselves and have a low crime rate. Although they do some annoying things, especially regarding money, and haven't really assimilated into mainstream society they're generally not a problem. Yet it's the Jews who are the subject of conspiracy theories even though the actions of the Chinese government are comparable to anything the Jews and/or Israel are accused of. Maybe it's because the Jews have had a longer presence in Europe than the Chinese have, or maybe it's because based right wingers are too busy trying to get a qt azn gf to find a final solution to the CQ problem?
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I'm not trying to point fingers or derail the thread, just an observation. No hate towards Jews or Chinese people.