UN Japan's bleak vision of the future - Robots won’t solve the fertility crisis

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Lovots, cute baby-like robots, can't quite fill the gap left by Japan's absent toddlers.
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For many people of my generation, myself included, Japan will always be the land of technological wizardry: trains that travel at the speed of a bullet, humanoid robots, and acres of neon lights. I spent three years there in the early Nineties working as an English teacher, mainly in Tokyo.

It’s hard to credit now, but throughout the Eighties a real fear existed in American boardrooms that Japan’s rapid economic growth would lead to it overtaking the US as the world’s largest economy. In those days, the Imperial Palace was said to be worth more than the state of California. However, after I left in 1993, Japan went into the first of several “Lost Decades”. The GDP growth rate flatlined, wages stagnated and living standards went into decline.

When I returned 24 years later, this time as a journalist, I was curious to see what happens when a country starts to shrink. Returning for another three-year stint was a fascinating exercise in watching a country in slow decline: the empty business hotels, the tiny cars, the poorer quality of the goods in the shops. Japan is still a sign of things to come — but this time round, the future doesn’t look so bright.

There are lessons here for the UK. Japan is now well-versed in post-growth economics — i.e. how to make a living once an economy has flatlined. But the main lesson is how to adjust to the consequences of a low birth rate. Japan’s total fertility rate hit a record low of 1.15 in 2024. Apart from Israel, all countries in the developed world now have a fertility rate below 2.1 children per woman — the level required to maintain a stable population. What makes Japan the canary in the coalmine is that its fertility rate dropped below replacement level in 1974, before any other country. This means that the consequences of low fertility — a rapidly aging society and a shrinking population — are becoming apparent there before they do anywhere else.

Last year, the population of Japan shrank by over 900,000, and the rate of decline is only going to grow faster with time. The country is also aging: the proportion of over-65s in the total population currently stands at 29% and is expected to rise to 38% over the next 10-20 years. On one level, this is a great achievement, a tribute to a high standard of living, a universal healthcare system and healthy lifestyles. The problem is the exorbitant cost of providing pensions, medical care and long-term care to so many over-65-year-olds.

Another problem with mass aging is the way the political landscape tilts towards the gray. Electoral turnout is higher among the elderly than it is among the young — and older voters tend to plump for stability and continuity. That’s all very well when your country is in the clover, but it comes to look ostrich-like when it is facing an existential crisis.

Japan has been suffering labor shortages for decades. This is because there are so few young people to become the farmers, carpenters and IT workers of the future. In just about every occupation, Japan has the oldest workers in the world. But the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) still can’t bring itself to admit the need for mass immigration. That’s partly because elderly voters tend to be more hostile to mass immigration than younger voters.

Many LDP politicians argue that mass immigration is unnecessary, if only businesses can raise productivity — which is stubbornly low in Japan. Conventional thinking says that raising productivity means investing in education and R&D. But this is not high on the list of elderly voters’ priorities. Indeed, government expenditure is being diverted away from education and R&D into pensions and healthcare for the elderly.

Under its new Prime Minister, Sanae Takaichi, the LDP government is now hoping that by embracing AI and robots, it can kill two birds with one stone: on the one hand, raise productivity; on the other, provide care for the country’s burgeoning elderly population. There has been a lot of hype around “carebots” in particular. Huge sums have been invested in carebots like The Hug and the Robear, which are supposed to be able to lift care home residents in and out of bed. The latest iteration is the Lovot: a plump, baby-like robot that has clearly been designed to fill the gap once occupied by Japan’s toddlers.

The LDP likes robots, partly because it hopes they will obviate the need for foreign care workers, and partly because robotics is one area where Japan still looks like a harbinger of a brighter future. Like me, the country’s politicians still see Japan as the land of technological wizardry. Most of them came of age in the years of miraculous economic growth rates, when Japan was synonymous with technology. The disastrous meltdown of a nuclear power station on the coast of Fukushima in 2011 made the public suspicious of state authorities, but trust in science and high tech remains high. Despite the gradual decline in R&D budgets, there are still loads of inventions to inspire national pride — from the bullet train to the pot noodle.

Culture goes a long way in explaining Japan’s love of robots. Japan is not scared of robots in the way that Europe is. This may be because there is no Luddite tradition in Japan, and no Frankenstein’s monster. Japan is the home of the vengeful Godzilla, but also of the irrepressible Atomboy.

The love of robots may also be down to Shintoism, the indigenous, animistic, and polytheistic religion of Japan, which holds that everything has a soul. In the old days, that meant rocks and rivers; in the modern era, all kinds of inanimate objects have been deified. Priests at Sensoji temple in Tokyo have been holding retirement ceremonies for leather workers’ needles for many years (they are entombed in blocks of tofu, in the belief that they will appreciate its softness). These days, they also hold ceremonies for aging robots.

In Europe and the United States, there are fears that AI will lead to mass unemployment. But if there’s one thing a country with a shrinking population doesn’t have to worry about, it’s unemployment. The problem is that robots are of limited use in addressing Japan’s most pressing labor shortages. “Carebots” are just too clumsy to be of use in care homes. They are also too expensive. Investing in robots makes good financial sense for manufacturers of TVs and cars, but it is beyond the budgets of most care homes.

Japan’s politicians and bureaucrats have known about the declining birth rate for 40 years. So far, their response has been piecemeal and cosmetic. It’s easy to criticize a stodgy ruling party that has been in power for the last 70 years — and in their defense, what is happening is unprecedented. Still, the LDP seems stumped for answers.

Many companies accept that Japan needs more foreign-born workers, but the country still doesn’t really have an immigration policy. Japan has been traditionally hard to migrate to, but this has changed in recent years, and the beginnings of a multicultural society can be seen in the big cities and manufacturing centers. The new migrants come from across east Asia: China, Korea and the Philippines, but also Uzbekistan, Bangladesh and Vietnam.

The electorate is finding mass immigration a bitter pill to swallow. It’s not hard to understand why. Rich, confident countries with younger populations prize their autonomy. Dependence on others is a sign of declining power, whether for people or nations. Like the Reform Party, the LDP wants to have it both ways, rallying its supporters behind the twin cries of “Let’s stop migration” and “I’m old! I’m entitled to a triple lock pension!”

“In an era of economic stagnation, mass aging and rising debt, Japan’s old virtues have come to look like vices.”

Viewed from one angle, Japan already exists in a kind of far-Right fever dream: a highly patriarchal, near-ethnic monoculture that is pro-business and high tech, ruled over by a party in hock to an entitled, conservative and xenophobic electorate. This was all well and good when Japan was booming, but in an era of economic stagnation, mass aging and rising debt, the old virtues have come to look like vices. Official government data shows that Japan has moved from having 7.7 workers supporting each OAP in 1975 to around 1.9 supporting one in 2025. That’s not sustainable and neither is the country’s national debt, which is the largest in the OECD.

Aside from native xenophobia, the problem is that, notwithstanding the timidity of the LDP, every way forward seems blocked. Japan’s multinationals are flush with cash — but investment opportunities at home are limited. As all kinds of businesses, from electricity producers to food producers and car makers, are learning to their cost, an aging society consumes less than a young one. More importantly, a declining population means shrinking markets. What is the point of investing in a business if the only certainty is that returns are going to diminish over time?

Crucially, Japan is still rich, or at least its big companies are. Many of its people are poor and getting poorer. This is one of the root causes of its low birth rate. Poverty might not hold people back from having kids in the developing world, but it certainly does in the developed world.

The second root cause of the low birth rate is the country’s outdated gender norms. The ruling party has its first female leader, and the country its first female prime minister, which is a good start. However, notwithstanding Takaichi’s landslide election victory in February, Japan is still a remarkably male-dominated society.

You might think that a patriarchal society, in which men are expected to become salarymen and women to stay at home, might result in a higher birthrate. But men are no longer the only breadwinners. Economic stagnation and declining living standards have been pulling women into the workforce for the last 30 years. Despite this expansion, Japan’s corporate culture still doesn’t make enough allowance for working women. Women’s issues (of which raising children is considered one) are habitually brushed over. This is changing, but at a glacial pace.

Across the developed world, governments need to do more to help people hit the 2.1-kids requirement. If they can’t, or if people simply don’t want to have 2.1 kids anymore, they need to get used to mass immigration. Productivity boosts are all well and good, but on current showing, the robots just aren’t smart enough to take the places of all those missing workers.

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The title says "Robots won’t solve the fertility crisis", but robots are hardly mentioned at all in the article, and no effort at all is made to explain why they won't.

The only place it's mentioned in the article it just one line saying "robots are too expensive and not very skilled right now". That's it. Nothing about future developments at all.

The truth is, every reasonable population can see the problems of automation, massive unemployment, coming, and is doing their best to prepare for it and reduce the burden. But certain forces use this as an excuse to flood migrants in.

Legit, letting all the old folk die would be a better move for the country than importing people to care for them. Kinder to the old folk too probably. Put em on the ice flow.

So much money has been poured into AI that the bajillionaire investors would rather make more money than worry about what happens to people's jobs and the lack of security making having kids less and less desirable. Because they can just use immigration and pay them peanuts. Profits over people wins every time in this world. Until that mentality changes nothing else will.
 
The problem is that robots are of limited use in addressing Japan’s most pressing labor shortages. “Carebots” are just too clumsy to be of use in care homes.
And they won’t even rape the 90-yo women and beat the 90-yo men to death. You need endless Bomalians to perform that important work.
 
Plz s.o explain to me how importing millions of foreigners who will never assimilate can "help" your demographics/economy/whatever.

Sure young Japanese are "thrilled" to import diversity from the third world.

Take nursing. Let's say some of them will be nurses. Who will later nurse them? Migrants from Africa?

Instead of trying to teach an IQ 80 Afghan Japanese-why no use that money to develop clumsy carebots into David 8 (Aliens) style of androids???

Serious question!!!!


Also, here's a video of a humanoid robot chasing wild boar in Warsaw a friend sent me. Apparently, this model costs around...20K $? I mean, it's just a matter of time it will become cheaper and more versatile/capable. I see a near future where everyone will have one of these little fuckers doing their laundry etc. We do not need migrants.


 
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Daily reminder that Japan's birth rate is still higher than most White nation's birth rates, we just import browns and lie by claiming brown kids are White.

Yeah, well, your future children require a bit more optimism from you, I guess.

There will be a lot of hate — look at all the hate Israel is getting — but it will be worth it because the alternative is to cease existing as a culture.

By comparison, all Japan has to do is appreciate children/mothers a bit more, soften the work culture, and lay off the gooning to anime tiddies.
Japan's problem is the same issue White nations have: feminism. Women can not waste their fertile years in education and employment, and still produce enough children to maintain the population levels. The answer is most emphatically not even more feminism.
 
Not such a good thing that the Israelis that are multiplying like files are the ultra orthodox ones that refuse to work or serve in the IDF - they just study the Torah and live on government gibs.

It's quickly becoming unsustainable.
Israel hypothetically can do so much better though, if they can convince ashkenazi americans and europeans to move to israel, remove welfare state for haredim and make arab israelis contribute to economy.
 
You know, I do have a question. The "Fertility Rate," are we using the anomaly known as the Boomer Generation as measuring stick for what is considered good or bad? Like if the 2.1 is actually if we were keeping a population boom numbers, rather than what it would be normally? A form of propaganda to upkeep the post-WW2 levels of people to kick the can to in the future to keep up what tantamount to a Ponzi Scheme of some sort?

If you look at the baby boom, you'd notice that it was coming off of the Great Depression, and the having more children was really to offset the lack helpers around a somewhat rural/agrarian environment and lack of technology and healthcare. WW2 happened and it doubled the concerns to include massive amounts of people dying. The numbers would naturally increase exponentially for nature to make up for the loss. But now technology and healthcare advanced considerably, so the need to have as many children as possible decreased substantially.

Then tack on the societal poison that is Feminism and it only worsens things to make men not even want to play that game. One where women gets rights they've never earned, every child ends up becoming a liability that could be used against a man and ruin him, therefore marriages become too risky and outside of bastard children, no one cares to get married/have kids.

I'm just wondering if this is nature healing itself back into normal numbers, or if the 2.1 is propaganda to keep this charade of a system going, or even if all of the self-defeating nonsense is the issue?
 
Viewed from one angle, Japan already exists in a kind of far-Right fever dream: a highly patriarchal, near-ethnic monoculture that is pro-business and high tech, ruled over by a party in hock to an entitled, conservative and xenophobic electorate. This was all well and good when Japan was booming, but in an era of economic stagnation, mass aging and rising debt, the old virtues have come to look like vices. Official government data shows that Japan has moved from having 7.7 workers supporting each OAP in 1975 to around 1.9 supporting one in 2025. That’s not sustainable and neither is the country’s national debt, which is the largest in the OECD.
One can almost taste the soy reading that. And once again, why is it always "far right" or "alt-right" and never just "right"?

And does he mean he Japanese usually see those as vices now, or how SJWs see what they think is "xenophobia" and "patriarchy"?
 
This is our future, basically everywhere. Israel has a high birth rate because Jews think of it as not just a country, but a cause. Jews treasure Jewish babies. You can be annoyed all you like, but it’s a much better attitude.

Here in America, you have dog moms and cat ladies glaring at you whenever you bring a child anywhere. You have annoying assholes proclaiming “oh I thought about kids, but I did the math and I’d rather retire 10 years earlier.” You have a shitty, disdainful, disrespectful attitude towards children, families, and especially mothers.

Combine this with the fact that the social safety system and the entire economy (private equity, housing market, assets and the federal reserve ) is designed to drain wealth from the young and transfer it to the old…

Well, it fucking sucks. We need a change in attitude. Social welfare programs paying for childcare don’t work, transfer payments don’t work. The problem is cultural.

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This was first noticed that I know of by a defunct blog by an anti-natalist woman called The Misanthropic Bitch. She said all the things you attribute to children, you can attribute to dogs, so literally wtf was the childfree community obsession with them?
 
One can almost taste the soy reading that. And once again, why is it always "far right" or "alt-right" and never just "right"?

And does he mean he Japanese usually see those as vices now, or how SJWs see what they think is "xenophobia" and "patriarchy"?
Well the author is the most euro-est of EuroFags, a poshie BritFag.

One who probably came from well to do family if he could afford to waste years of his life "teaching English" in Japan (that is like the bottom of the barrel kind of job one could do there).
 
This was first noticed that I know of by a defunct blog by an anti-natalist woman called The Misanthropic Bitch. She said all the things you attribute to children, you can attribute to dogs, so literally wtf was the childfree community obsession with them?
Dogpilled.

Seriously, when no man in his right mind even wants to try to fuck you, go to ol' Fido. xD

Kind of wish we can go back to testing these bitches witch-hood.
 
I wish the US population was decreasing by 1,000,000 per year. We need to get our population down to 100 million tops for the country's political and economic systems to function properly.

Really would be great if we one day hit that 500,000,000 global population the Guidestones wanted. Imagine how much cleaner healthier our planet would be.
 
A whitepill take:


We'll literally only get the automated future of the futurists' dreams when we start to accept first-world population decline without resorting to immigrants to fill the gaps.

It's basically a truism that it was easier for the North to industrialize because without slaves to do a bunch of manual labor, the economics of industrializing a process worked out better when you didn't have a bunch of unpaid laborers bringing down the price of labor.

We're living in an age where we keep expecting prosperity and everyone sitting around with their thumbs up their asses to be the perfect place to generate ideas, a feminized eternal kindergarten where we tell ourselves that human flourishing is created from being nurtured and whole. Our ancestors knew better when they told us: Necessity is the mother of invention. Places that have no alternative but to automate will automate first. They'll have to accept some degradation of service at first, perhaps, but then they will get better. Japan picks its strawberries by machine, while we still bring in immigrants to break their backs in the hot sun all day doing it. The machines cost more than under-the-table payments to illegals, but they're worth it when you don't have any of those available.

The tech billionaires who keep calling for infinity immigrants have utterly misunderstood the assignment. The baby boom's decline could be used as a springboard to a better time, the way depopulation worked in the Black Death.

They don't talk about this and all the movie treatments about it kind of avoid the subject, but the Black Death killed by far more elderly people than any other age group. The ratios of mortalities in a Black Death cemetery mirror those in other non-Black Death cemeteries of people buried for all kinds of reasons. That society lost a huge number all at once cataclysmically, and the survivors went on to enact higher standards of living and start in motion the events that would lead to technological progress we now call the Renaissance, and the end of the feudal system.

Things will be fine. This is just the last cry of the boomers, "you'll miss us when we're gone! Without us at the top of the pyramid, what will you all do? We won't be able to function as a society, because we deliberately made all your institutions "line go up only when population go up" and then encouraged depop."

Though we adore Boomers individually, we agree that, as a group, they're rather stupid...
 
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