Is South Park overrated?

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RybenZ999

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I liked the show's 90s-early 2000s episodes. But after that every episode is formulaic as all hell (Cartman or Randy are the crazy characters, and Kyle, Liane, Sharon etc are the heccin "good guy" characters). And it's so fricking preachy on top of that. At times, it feels like listening to Matt and Trey tell us why their opinions are correct by having the show's "sane" characters Stan and Kyle voice them.

And don't even get me started on the autistic clusterfuck that is the fanbase. It's full of 14 year old girls who have an unusual hateboner for Cartman (that goes beyond what's necessary for a fictional character) and spend all day writing gay ship fanfics.
 
Anything more recent, totally. The last good episode set was arguably with The Black Friday trilogy. But it had been going downhill for a long ass time. The fanbase is also god awful.
 
There are some very good episodes worth watching if you skim through the seasons.

For me it mainly gets obnoxious when they (and their fans) treat it and its creators like worldsaving genius. These are people who made gazillions doing base toilet humor, largely successful because others don't get away with it as much in America (and nowadays the world). Whenever they start taking themselves seriously it becomes vomitworthy.
 
I still like it somewhat, but was at its best when it was more surreal poop humor. From the beginning, it was a show with something to say as indicated by the gay dog episode in the first season, but now they do it with all the subtlety of an Ayn Rand door stopper (someone they made fun of early on, probably because of the same style they would end up adopting).
Still, newer South Park is more watchable to me than newer Simpsons, which I can no longer stand. At least with South Park, a tiny amount of the stuff I loved about the first few seasons remains, while for the Simpsons not a shred of anything good about it existed by season 15.
 
The later seasons? Yes and no it can occasionally have a good episode here or there, but undeniably it has lost its edge.

Now the seasons during the golden years? No, most of them hold up very well and can even be more revelant to modern day.

Compared to the goyslop that prentious liberal milenials put out? Leaps and bounds better.
 
Matt and Trey completely lost their way mid-2000s as they grew more comfortable in their celebrity, wealth, and status. Completely lost touch with the "common man" and their perspective on the state of American society and the world. They, slowly but surely, have become exactly what they once ridiculed.

You can see the gradual influence of Millennial brainrot taking the reigns of the show as younger staff were brought in, going from genuinely subversive and relatable to remarkably esoteric, ephemeral, and unremarkable with regard to messaging, a slightly more edgy version of what you'd get anywhere on television. Switch out the Daily Show or SNL staff with the South Park staff and you wouldn't notice much difference these days.

It's a huge problem when those who work on the show now were fans growing up, as they perceive the show as a cultural institution with no perspective of the thoughtful and unique nature of the series early on, becoming a giant low effort "TAKEN FROM THE HEADLINES" meme.

There is a kernel of what made the show great once there, but it's a zombified husk of what it once was. No show should go on for that long. Four seasons max. Matt and Trey would probably admit themselves it to an extent if they were honest, but they would mock the shit out of their modern selves in 1999 if they were separate celebrities back then.
 
I've always felt like Kyle and (sometimes) Stan were self-insert soy Cool Fucking Guys (TM). They are supposed to be a moral voice of reasoning, but it's always the most lukewarm reddit-tier takes imaginable. Kyle is infallible now as well. I haven't really seen any episode past maybe seasons 7 or 8 where Kyle is really really just an irredeemable bad guy. The only time Kyle "gets what's coming to him" is when Cartman (evil fat nazi racist reeeee) "rips on him" for "being jewish."

Formulaic is an understatement.
>Dick butt poop sex gore blood Current Politics joke + hecking celebrity reference!??!! WOOOOOOAH! This is just like heckin Rick and Morty and smoking weed! So edgy dood!

Such is the fate of everything when left unprotected.
 
Schwarzwald dijo:
Matt and Trey completely lost their way mid-2000s as they grew more comfortable in their celebrity, wealth, and status. Completely lost touch with the "common man" and their perspective on the state of American society and the world. They, slowly but surely, have become exactly what they once ridiculed.

You can see the gradual influence of Millennial brainrot taking the reigns of the show as younger staff were brought in, going from genuinely subversive and relatable to remarkably esoteric, ephemeral, and unremarkable with regard to messaging, a slightly more edgy version of what you'd get anywhere on television. Switch out the Daily Show or SNL staff with the South Park staff and you wouldn't notice much difference these days.

It's a huge problem when those who work on the show now were fans growing up, as they perceive the show as a cultural institution with no perspective of the thoughtful and unique nature of the series early on, becoming a giant low effort "TAKEN FROM THE HEADLINES" meme.

There is a kernel of what made the show great once there, but it's a zombified husk of what it once was. No show should go on for that long. Four seasons max. Matt and Trey would probably admit themselves it to an extent if they were honest, but they would mock the shit out of their modern selves in 1999 if they were separate celebrities back then.
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I think you hits the nail on the head here. 90s early 2000s Matt and Trey felt like people we could relate to and shared our sense of humor. After that they became just another pair of Hollywood faggots.

Some Dumb Faggot dijo:
Compared to the goyslop that prentious liberal milenials put out? Leaps and bounds better.
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Lol Matt and Trey have been pretentious liberals for quite a while now. The Heidi seasons were literally them seething over Orange man 24/7. It felt like watching Saturday Night Live or the Daily Show. I expected South Park of all shows to be above that.
 
The issue with South Park is that it ascended from being a silly show into inspiring Gen X to be the absolute worse generation ever - The idea of them being better than everything (but still lean left), edgy (but only towards the "right" target), live in their nihilistic lives smoking weed (but it's totally better than drinking). A ton of social ills came from people taking South Park as gospel.
 
Schwarzwald dijo:
No show should go on for that long. Four seasons max. Matt and Trey would probably admit themselves it to an extent if they were honest, but they would mock the shit out of their modern selves in 1999 if they were separate celebrities back then.
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I agree with you apart from one thing. Trey has disavowed the entire first four seasons and says he wishes they never made them.
It was as soon as they started hanging out with brainrot LA fags that the decline started.
 
RACISM dijo:
I agree with you apart from one thing. Trey has disavowed the entire first four seasons and says he wishes they never made them.
It was as soon as they started hanging out with brainrot LA fags that the decline started.
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Trey also thinks Tegridy Farms is worth stretching out for 5 years and turning Cartman's mom from a funny slut into a whiney "strong woman" mom was a good idea.

Maybe I can understand why he may not like the first 2, cuz those were a little jankier than what comes after. But what's wrong with season 3. That's unironically one of the best seasons.
wtfNeedSignUp dijo:
The issue with South Park is that it ascended from being a silly show into inspiring Gen X to be the absolute worse generation ever - The idea of them being better than everything (but still lean left), edgy (but only towards the "right" target), live in their nihilistic lives smoking weed (but it's totally better than drinking). A ton of social ills came from people taking South Park as gospel.
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I think one of the main problems with South Park is that it normalised swearing. Swearing is funny when it's something you generally don't see on TV and when you do, it often gets under the skin of pearl-clutching Christian moms. But when you start seeing every Jack, Dick and Harry on TV say "fuck" and "shit" even on the commercials, it feels lame after a while.
 
Not at all. In its heyday, it was an often witty and culturally influential show. I'd say it went downhill by the end of the 00s and lost the remaining relevance not long after the Muslims tried to shoot up Comedy Central for another episode showing Muhammad.

IIRC Trey and Matt themselves pointed this out, but the biggest problem South Park has is that real life feels more and more like something you'd see on South Park these days. I certainly felt that way these past few years. If real life feels more zany than anything anyone could come up with, why do we need two boomers and their staff to parody it?
RybenZ999 dijo:
I think one of the main problems with South Park is that it normalised swearing. Swearing is funny when it's something you generally don't see on TV and when you do, it often gets under the skin of pearl-clutching Christian moms. But when you start seeing every Jack, Dick and Harry on TV say "fuck" and "shit" even on the commercials, it feels lame after a while.
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Which South Park itself pointed out in the old episode where they say "shit" uncensored with a counter on screen.
 
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