Is philosophy hopeless?

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When I about 11 years old, I discovered jerking off and sex. When you're a kid you've seen dozens of clues hinting about sex, but no one's ever explained it to you, so when that explanation finally happens and all the pieces click into place at once, your mind is absolutely blown.

I'm always chasing that same high, so I dove into western philosophy hoping to get more: I read pre-Socratics, Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Hume, and some others. Yet honestly, I learned almost nothing. Philosophy is mostly composed of logical arguments that are sound on paper, but exist in a vacuum and can't really be falsified. Like the Socratic argument for transmigration of souls, where Socrates says reincarnation happens because something cannot come from nothing. It's a sound argument, but even the most perfect arguments remain theories until there's some kind of external verification like we have in the sciences.

Otherwise we get nightmare scenarios like what happened with Kant, where he was considered a genius, the closest thing philosophy ever had to progress, 100% of people agreed he discovered something immense. Then Hegel comes and dumps a bizarre nigh-unreadable tome that rebuts Kant, and despite almost no one understanding what Hegel was even on about, his philosophy won the favor of the masses so the past 200 years of phil are built off him. Now there are more schools of philosophy than ever, nobody agrees on anything, "I'm right, everyone else is wrong", it's a clusterfuck.

Feels like to actually learn deeper about reality, you gotta drop a bunch of acid and pray for ego death or something. Because philosophy sure as hell doesn't have the answers
 
Yes Philosophy is hopeless.

Ultimately there is no learning deeper about reality, because it has no meaning, so any meaning people project onto it is fabricated.

A dog or a house plant is as in touch with reality on a deep level as the greatest lifelong philosophers are. The latter are exclusively in touch with their own imagination.

In fact I'd go so far as to argue that that's the final step in philosophy, is realizing that for all your thinking around everything trying to gain some sense of control you aren't actually any closer to anything real as you were at the start.
You haven't gained some kind of selective advantage, you haven't reached apotheosis and transformed into a god because you thought in just the right way.

It's just idle people tricking themselves. That's why there's more schools of philosophy than ever, because there are more people who are privileged enough to never truly interact with reality by shutting up and going to work the fields.

Philosophy is fine if it's treated casually and hypothetically. People who treat it like a legitimate area of inquiry or expect it to provide answers to life's practical issues though are fooling themselves.
 
Outside of Aristotle, Plato, some Stoics (particularly the Roman ones) and medieval philosopher influenced by Aristotle (like Aquinas, Averroes, Maimondes, etc.), philosophy is a joke. It's based too much on abstract thought experiments versus truths that everyone can see. The reason why the above philosophers are exceptions is that they started with the available sense data and then followed that reasoning to a reasonable conclusion which has (or should have) an impact on your life. The problem isn't that philosophy is highly abstract but it's a career choice and has been since the Enlightenment. It's basically another facet of academia separated from the average person's life and it shows in the way a lot of philosophers talk about things. Sometimes that is kinda necessary due to the topic like in the philosophy of math and science, but even fields of philosophy that are meant to drive our everyday movements and actions like ethics have been made into shallow arguments to bolster some know-nothing academic faggot's ego.

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Philosophy is supposed to be the search for eternal truths. The hidden laws or patterns that determine our fate regardless of time and place.

Obviously not all philosophies or philosophers are created equal. But given that sweeping definition, aren't we all philosophers in a way?

@TheNewLad It's amusing to me that your journey began with masturbation and ended with reading far more important literature than the average person. Even if you disagree with a lot of what you read, it helped you figure out your own views and values. So I'd say it wasn't for nothing.
 
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You need to meet real philosophers to truly get it and understand their monumental, subtle hidden influence in the world. However, they are very few and far between and, most of all, very hard to identify as an average person to the point that the cattle actually thinks that Machiavelli is a philosopher.

Real philosophy is very big and complicated and requires time and dedication and even then you might not make it, it is like advanced math, but instead people feel comfortable talking about shit they don't understand. Imagine some guy like Bill Nye The Tranny Guy as an important spokesperson of biology or engineering that people take seriously, that is how fucked philosophy has been for a long time now. In a way it is hopeless, but it is also important to understand that philosophy has an "end", sort of, it is like an asymptote in terms of progress, each step gets tinier and more autistic and unnecessary.
 
Taking philosophy that seriously is the blackest pill in the fucking jar man what are you doing? Relax, nigga.

Seriously, there isn't a line between philosophy and pseudo-philosophy. It's a gradient with a healthy blend of both. One man's reality-altering paradigm shift is another man's shit take full of stupid.

My philosophy is that philosophy is the art of being an idea guy and idea guys are most worthless forms of life on the crust of the earth, and perhaps even inside the hollow earth too. Just take the bits and pieces that make sense to you and roll with it. Fuck consistency, you don't have to treat it like it's an all-or-nothing game, like religion. It's just old people with time on their hands thinking about stuff while they're taking a shit. Anybody can do that. Anybody can have Plato-tier thoughts while they're dropping the kids off at the pool. He was just some fuckin guy. Don't worship the kinds of people who would have threads here if they were alive today.
 
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