Is HR causing the competency crisis?

[Norbert the Tiger]

These people are fucking insane. But no matter how much time they waste searching for someone who might exist somewhere is not available, they will not see the errors in their ways. They will not invest in and develop talent.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I think that, honestly- its part of capitalism.

I don't think so. You can't just say "I'll pay my employees better" because in addition to new issues in getting jobs, there's new issues in creating new jobs. Even something as buying a new restaurant is hideously expensive. I've said before that in the 1960s that the equivalent of $10k or so (in today's money) could buy a fully functioning restaurant and that was ownership-ownership, not being heavily leveraged by a bank.

I know in some industries (particularly retail) there was a "race to the bottom" when it came to replacing salespeople with hourly wagies, but I can't believe that there was some sort of conspiracy with (((businessmen))) to slash wages like that.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

Human Resources is one of the key factors in the competency crisis. The other factor is unhappiness in the workplace and the whole “investors first” mindset that the Chinese and the Americans perpetuate.

I don't think so. You can't just say "I'll pay my employees better" because in addition to new issues in getting jobs, there's new issues in creating new jobs. Even something as buying a new restaurant is hideously expensive. I've said before that in the 1960s that the equivalent of $10k or so (in today's money) could buy a fully functioning restaurant and that was ownership-ownership, not being heavily leveraged by a bank.

I know in some industries (particularly retail) there was a "race to the bottom" when it came to replacing salespeople with hourly wagies, but I can't believe that there was some sort of conspiracy with (((businessmen))) to slash wages like that.

its funny how capitalism was brought up because what happened to the Soviet aerospace industry is proof that it doesn’t matter if it was an capitalist state or an communist state.

Hardcore bureaucracies and bureaucrats are one of the root causes of the competency crisis.

 

[CowBoyCormack]

I don't think so. You can't just say "I'll pay my employees better" because in addition to new issues in getting jobs, there's new issues in creating new jobs. Even something as buying a new restaurant is hideously expensive. I've said before that in the 1960s that the equivalent of $10k or so (in today's money) could buy a fully functioning restaurant and that was ownership-ownership, not being heavily leveraged by a bank.

I know in some industries (particularly retail) there was a "race to the bottom" when it came to replacing salespeople with hourly wagies, but I can't believe that there was some sort of conspiracy with (((businessmen))) to slash wages like that.

I didn't just say "I'll pay my employees better". I happen to like capitalism, but squeezes in labor markets are a natural part of things here- thats the point.

Jews this, jews that stuff is also /pol/ cringe

and there doesn't need to be a conspiracy for things to fall into place the way they do. Much of the world happens not because people are planning things, but precisely for the opposite reasons.

When it comes to businesses not being able to afford to train people because overall profits have gone down, that is going to happen and people need to have the wisdom to realize that the ball can only be kicked so far down the road without significant problems happening in society.

 

[Bonesjones]

I didn't just say "I'll pay my employees better". I happen to like capitalism, but squeezes in labor markets are a natural part of things here- thats the point.

Jews this, jews that stuff is also /pol/ cringe

and there doesn't need to be a conspiracy for things to fall into place the way they do. Much of the world happens not because people are planning things, but precisely for the opposite reasons.

When it comes to businesses not being able to afford to train people because overall profits have gone down, that is going to happen and people need to have the wisdom to realize that the ball can only be kicked so far down the road without significant problems happening in society.

There was literally a Jewish conspiracy to pay employees less than shareholders. It's called Ford Motor Company vs Dodge Brothers.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

thread question awenser Yes!
But Hr wouldn't exist if not for the fed reserve ....... I work a small buisness 30% of my prfit goes to federal taxes, 20 percent goes to state taxes. 19% went to inflation why work niggers spics and ukrops will do it its time to rebel fuckers

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

When it comes to businesses not being able to afford to train people because overall profits have gone down, that is going to happen and people need to have the wisdom to realize that the ball can only be kicked so far down the road without significant problems happening in society.

The competency crisis has nothing to do with HR. Sure HR is useless and does nothing to make it better, but they aren't the cause. You know what is the cause?

People are just getting dumber. The way they interact with the world has radically changed. Generational Rot is occurring on steroids. Gen X and Boomer parents have done a giant disservice to their children by passing on NONE of their skills. This generation was notorious for showing their children something and then going "No you're doing it wrong, go away, I'll do it myself". Then the kids go back inside and play video games or dick around online and suddenly parents are shocked 10 years later when their children can't change a car tire. Gen X and Boomer parents have flat out RUINED their children. It's gotten so prolific that now you have young adults who don't know you can eat fruit off fucking trees.

Nobody teaches children anything anymore. They don't know how to act or behave or be a professional anymore. As a result, children have overwhelmingly chosen para social relationships instead because they're easier. For boys, having your bros over to play co-op games on Friday nights have turned into "let's play 1 or 2 rounds online from our own rooms and maybe go to bed at 9pm". For girls, Friday nights at the mall, well malls don't exist anymore. When they do, sometimes teens have been outright banned. There's nowhere for kids to hang out anymore. I have parents telling me all the time "So many kids don't know how to drive, it's crazy!", well where are they going to go? They're socially awkward from years of avoiding people and para social relationships are just easier.

So let me ask you, what do you think happens when kids with no skills, no clue how the world works, no clue how to interact with people, and can't even drive, suddenly turn 18-21 and enter the work force? It's a fucking disaster. Competency crisis is happening not because of HR, but rather because people are fucking stupid and have raised stupid children. Boomers fucked Gen X'ers by not seeing the signs on the wall of what the 70s and 80s did to their kids . Gen X'ers fucked their kids over by not having patience to teach them anything about the world and thinking their only duty as parents was being providers. Millennials fucked over the few kids they had because their examples for parents are piss fucking poor. Now, the hen has finally come home to roost. You have multiple generations of people who can't handle the stresses of day to day life in the modern world and are happy to sell their responsibilities to their nearest company who will fuck them over. They can't fix anything, maintain their home, or interact with each other. This hole we're digging doesn't end either. It won't be before long until we have kids who can't change light bulbs, or need 20 YouTube videos to teach them how to charge their damn phones. Fuck it, the WEF doesn't need to convince us to eat the bugs or live in our pods, a few more generations of this and we'll do it happily ourselves because we literally don't know what else to do.

The crazies in the world say humanity comes from a giant ball of energy and each person takes a little bit away from that ball until there's eventually there's nothing left. As time goes on, each person gets progressively less energy. Humanity in its current state will always be weaker than their ancestors and there's no way to fix this. And you know what? I'm inclined to agree with them at this point. We're fucked.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

low barriers to entry and a lot of competitors t

Such as?

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Such as?

Law, public accounting, skilled trades and landscaping/construction are big ones off the top of my head. Anybody who completes their education/training and gets the required licenses can hang their own shingle with a low capital cost to start their business, compared to something like a bank, tech company, or or airline.

Tech used to be like that too but the government-corporate oligopoly has made it way more difficult than it was in the past. We'll probably never see another HP started in somebody's garage with the way things are now.

In any decently-sized town you've got at least 6-10 small electricians/plumbers/etc. to say nothing of the solo contractors.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

People are just getting dumber. The way they interact with the world has radically changed. Generational Rot is occurring on steroids. Gen X and Boomer parents have done a giant disservice to their children by passing on NONE of their skills. This generation was notorious for showing their children something and then going "No you're doing it wrong, go away, I'll do it myself". Then the kids go back inside and play video games or dick around online and suddenly parents are shocked 10 years later when their children can't change a car tire. Gen X and Boomer parents have flat out RUINED their children. It's gotten so prolific that now you have young adults who don't know you can eat fruit off fucking trees.

Nobody teaches children anything anymore. They don't know how to act or behave or be a professional anymore. As a result, children have overwhelmingly chosen para social relationships instead because they're easier. For boys, having your bros over to play co-op games on Friday nights have turned into "let's play 1 or 2 rounds online from our own rooms and maybe go to bed at 9pm". For girls, Friday nights at the mall, well malls don't exist anymore. When they do, sometimes teens have been outright banned. There's nowhere for kids to hang out anymore. I have parents telling me all the time "So many kids don't know how to drive, it's crazy!", well where are they going to go? They're socially awkward from years of avoiding people and para social relationships are just easier.

So let me ask you, what do you think happens when kids with no skills, no clue how the world works, no clue how to interact with people, and can't even drive, suddenly turn 18-21 and enter the work force? It's a fucking disaster. Competency crisis is happening not because of HR, but rather because people are fucking stupid and have raised stupid children. Boomers fucked Gen X'ers by not seeing the signs on the wall of what the 70s and 80s did to their kids . Gen X'ers fucked their kids over by not having patience to teach them anything about the world and thinking their only duty as parents was being providers. Millennials fucked over the few kids they had because their examples for parents are piss fucking poor. Now, the hen has finally come home to roost. You have multiple generations of people who can't handle the stresses of day to day life in the modern world and are happy to sell their responsibilities to their nearest company who will fuck them over. They can't fix anything, maintain their home, or interact with each other. This hole we're digging doesn't end either. It won't be before long until we have kids who can't change light bulbs, or need 20 YouTube videos to teach them how to charge their damn phones. Fuck it, the WEF doesn't need to convince us to eat the bugs or live in our pods, a few more generations of this and we'll do it happily ourselves because we literally don't know what else to do.

We are going into the "weak men makes hard times" cycle but I don't think this is anywhere close to the end because humans will simply adapt and change. We're not going to have some sort of Idiocracy-style future because that's simply not possible that you could have a world that runs on sheer inertia for that long. What you observe is probably people most addicted to social media and that tends to be the dumbest people out there, including falling for obvious TikTok "lifehacks" and may even be exaggerating their stupidity for comic effect. Again, though, if that's who HR is hiring, these "outgoing" people who are dumb as a brick, then that's not a fault of a generation, that's the fault of assigning the duty of gatekeeper to people who have no business doing so.

I didn't just say "I'll pay my employees better". I happen to like capitalism, but squeezes in labor markets are a natural part of things here- thats the point.

Jews this, jews that stuff is also /pol/ cringe

When you blame capitalism like every talentless shitlib you lose the chance to call out "/pol/ cringe". Sorry. Labor squeezes tilt numbers as far as productivity/compensation goes, but either 1:1 productivity/compensation is completely unsustainable in even a closed system (much less globalism) or it isn't. And even then, the 1970s through 1990s are a whole lot better than what we have now.

Law, public accounting, skilled trades and landscaping/construction are big ones off the top of my head. Anybody who completes their education/training and gets the required licenses can hang their own shingle with a low capital cost to start their business, compared to something like a bank, tech company, or or airline.

Tech used to be like that too but the government-corporate oligopoly has made it way more difficult than it was in the past. We'll probably never see another HP started in somebody's garage with the way things are now.

Part of what makes businesses work and what grows economies is the ability to expand. You can't really make a multinational company based on plumbing. I can't think of any big companies nowadays that sprang out of practically nothing 10-20 years before. McDonald's Corporation was founded in 1955 as a way to franchise the dozen or so restaurants they had; by 1975 they had over 3000 restaurants in about a dozen countries. Can you think of ANY companies that were unknowns twenty years ago and sprang up into being extremely powerful today? Maybe not, say, Tesla, but like Keurig Dr Pepper these things can spring up overnight when a lot of money is pumped into them.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

y passing on NONE of their skills

the problem is boomers had it so fucking good that their skills don't translate. Bob Chandler passed down every single one of his skills about how to get a girlfriend to his son Chris. Would you say that worked well?

You obviously aren't american because if you knew how fucking easy the jobs were in these factories and how useless the men were it should be obvious why they didn't pass down their skills. You must be the type of retard to actually believe you can firm handshake your way into a c-suite level job.

and suddenly parents are shocked 10 years later when their children can't change a car tire

you make more money working at a grocery store than being a AAA employee, and a big reason people can't change spark plugs or do their own oil change is that they don't have to do it every other month like back in the 90s.

Can you think of ANY companies that were unknowns twenty years ago and sprang up into being extremely powerful today?

Nvidia, along with most companies that involve smartphones. i was listening to an old gamer tech webshow from 2006 and they couldn't even wrap their minds around a "hardware accelerator" for gaming. half of the magnificent 7.

I'm 2 degrees of separation away from the guy that created the code used in android phones, not because i'm awesome but because his life was that shit 20 years ago.

Of course i know you're more talking about companies that literally went from two guy in a garage to being big enough to have millions of people with jobs under them, but in general 20 years ago you could still get away with not having a cell phone or computer in your life or at least your personal life. now its impossible.

If you took the best coder from 1999 and teleported them to today, they'd be next to useless same with the best auto mechanic or best marketer. And when you realize that no wonder the children of dipshits are without a paddle and can't function in the workplace.

You really think a union retard that worked in a factory would last a day in a woke office?

 

[CowBoyCormack]

When you blame capitalism like every talentless shitlib

Good thing I didn't.

Great thing that I stated, there are squeezes under capitalism, you have to make cuts, training new staff in entry level positions is one of those.

Its not every person, and there is some talent there; but as someone has also said- another problem within all this is, the boomers just did not train the next generations.

I blame economics and companies just not being able to afford people from the ground up any more, that you have to jump into a job running, and that most positions tend to be mid-level now (even the ones that are masquerading as entry level positions) , that whats where we are at. Some people call that late stage capitalism- but it is a problem that continues to exist and get worse and worse every year. Thats definitely contributing to the competency crisis.

When its cheaper to import Indians than to train your own native population, or its cheaper to offshore labor to Mexico or India, when we have decades of this from the 90s onwards, just accelerating in pace; yeah- thats a problem within capitalism.

And yeah, /pol/ "the jews are behind this" is always cringe when you see it.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Nobody teaches children anything anymore.

Nobody teaches anymore, period.

Even entry level jobs and courses require you to have some 2 years of experience in the industry.

Gone are the days where one phonecall would land you a middle management position or engineering with 1 phonecall.

Back then, the first 6 months were actually about training, and not 6 months trial period with less pay. Internships were actually paid.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Nvidia, along with most companies that involve smartphones. i was listening to an old gamer tech webshow from 2006 and they couldn't even wrap their minds around a "hardware accelerator" for gaming. half of the magnificent 7.

Well, 3Dfx was launched in the 1990s with the Voodoo graphics card and in 2000, facing insolvency, 3Dfx sold its assets to Nvidia as it faced bankruptcy. By 2006 the PC market was already well underway in transitioning into a "build-your-own" market even though the PC games market was still recovering from largely being in remission during the 6th generation era.

Of course i know you're more talking about companies that literally went from two guy in a garage to being big enough to have millions of people with jobs under them, but in general 20 years ago you could still get away with not having a cell phone or computer in your life or at least your personal life. now its impossible.

It's kind of hard to determine what a "big company" was in the before times. I've been playing around with CNN's Fortune 500 Archive. It seems a little off (as they seem to go with the names that companies have NOW and not THEN, so "Exxon Mobil", not Exxon appears on the 1975 list) but even so, the Fortune 500 list doesn't really paint a picture of the corporate zeitgeist at the time. For instance, in 1970s and 1980s, the top 10-15 are mostly oil companies, then followed by legacy companies that had been around for years (GE, AT&T, Coca-Cola). According to CNN's archives, Sears Roebuck & Co. doesn't appear in the list until 1995, at which point they were already in decline, having discontinued their famous catalog and spun off divisions like their financial services group (Discover card) and Allstate Corporation.

I am touching on the other side of the equation, it's now near impossible to get into a BIG company, but it's also hard to CREATE a new company now. There's almost no small businesses (very few, comparatively) that emerged out of the ether and continued to grow to anything worth mentioning, and I don't think it's for lack of trying.

Back then, the first 6 months were actually about training, and not 6 months trial period with less pay. Internships were actually paid.

I've been burned where the training gets rushed in the first two months then they suddenly decide six months in that you're not good enough (and your apartment lease doesn't run out for six more months).

 

[Flan Handler]

I was such a naïf when I started my current job. I went from megacorp extremely structured HR-run hell to a family-owned blue-collar company that is 95% white men and no HR department.

At first I was all “maybe you should hire some HR?” But they have a labour relations manager (old white guy) and an extremely competent payroll manager (related to owners) and after I’ve been there over a decade it seems they don’t really need anything else.

They do a lot of nepo hiring, but “Dale is a hard worker, I bet his kid is too” is at least as good as hiring randos.

Turns out, if you can keep the trades guys happy and pay them correctly, the rest mostly works out.

It also lets them have creative solutions. I have no official title, no official place on the org chart, and my only job is to keep the enterprise software running and keep the accounting and payroll ladies working happily. They literally don’t care what they pay me or what hours I work as long as everything runs smoothly. Suits us both nicely.

The company is now over sixty years old, and there’s been a successful management transition between the founder and his kids’ generation.

 

[LowlyPheasent]

It's most likely one of a multi-faceted issue. I can list off a few that come to mind here that are fueling the said crisis:

• HR - Gatekeepers who assess who does and does not even get considered for a job. Largely their assesment is superficial and are completely unqualified to decide who is or is not fit. Additionally as of late this is even being relegated to software that will even more arbitrarily search for things like keywords without context. This can also be compounded with hilariously unrealistic standards for applicants (X years of experience on an entry level job) and lack of valuing employees.
  
• Globo Homo Grants / DEI - Leftists may bitch and winge at it being brought up but racial quotas, especially in major corporations looking for free $$$ genuinely do exist or are even demanded in Government contracting. It's anti-meritocratic and leads to people unfit for a position holding roles and fucking things up royally. These are things management actually will abide by if they are short-sighted or strong armed into it.
  
• The Eternal Boomer - Old fucks clinging to a position because the carrot on the stick that is retirement got yanked out from in front of them do to the current economic climate. This is not entirely the case, for some people their career is genuinely their passion and they do work on into their old age however we very clearly in our society have generations of elderly people unwilling to let go of shit and pass it on to the coming generations.
  
• Acedemic Decline - Weather you think it's by design or incompetance acedemia in the US has completly and utterly shit the bed, though arguably globally so at this point with how fucked particular fields are. Weather it's lazy retards riding off chatGPT generated reports, the (pseudo)sciences, 2+2=5, and so on our education systems are quite thoroughly fucked.
  
• Resource Instead of Asset - Some companies, especially larger ones view particular roles as renewable resources and not assets. This may garner them shit reputation as an absolute hellish place with clear high turn over but what does management care? Depending on the role you genuinely do need experienced staff and just expecting someone to be able to jump in and do the job day one is hilariously unrealistic, but an all to common expectation.
  
• Illegal Labor / Outsourcing - This can be exploitation of unpaid interns, illegal immigrants, foreign labor, sweatshops, or other similar practices. I know this another thing that will make "leftists" bitch and throw a shitfit then drone on about racism, but it does effect labor by undercutting other working class stiffs who are in need of work and can do a better job, is in a country with actual QC and regulation, or genuinely give a fuck because an unpaid intern won't. Yes unpaid interns are illegal, this sure as shit does not stop it from occuring though.
  
• Cut Corners - This is especially an issue in any sort of labor producing a product. This can be subpar quality materials, rushed shitty jobs, or outright fraud. Like other things above it'll definately fuck a business in the long run but "Hey, what the fuck do I care? I have a golden parachute!" -CEOid with a severance package or "Quality control?..." - Production line Manager is an all to common higher up mentality.

I'm sure there's more but that's just some of the compounding issues that I can think of. Some surely contribute more than others but I really don't think HR is the sole or primary factor here.