Is gender identity real?

[Jaimas]

There is a simple test, are you turned on by dicks, vags, or both? All else is dressing.

Honestly I figure within the next 25-50 years sex-change surgery will be viewed like lobotomys are now. Unnecessary surgeries to deal with psychological/brain chemistry issuses that some chemical will fix eventually. The question is how many people will have their reputations/lives destroyed as they figure out the correct medication for the issue.

I disagree, but only insofar as the fact remains that it is an actual condition. But, as I said, it's rare. 0.03% of the human population by most metrics. I use the 0.05% metric, slightly more generous and allowing of errors and unreporteds, but it still gives the same results; legit transpeople account for an infintessimally small amount of the human population, the equivalent of a grain of sand in a swimming pool. Your average person can and will go their entire lives without meeting an actual transperson.

You can tell the difference between a legitimate transperson and a Tumblrite fucking immediately. A legitimate tranny will never even discuss their gender beyond how they choose to identify. An MTF claims to be female and has transitioned and that's the end of it. An FTM claims to be male and has transitioned and that's the end of it. They want to move on with their lives, viewing their condition as the medical issue that it is, and there's nothing wrong with that. Real trannies look at it as a condition to be healed, not an identity.

To compare, someone from the Tumblr genderspecial brigade will never shut the fuck up about how they're a demigendered special snowflake. Recognize this for what it is, Kiwis: An attempt to gain power over you by claiming to be an oppressed minority. Legitimate transpeople are not the ones pushing preferred pronoun legislation and arguing that you're abusive if you refuse to use made-up words and terms without a scrap of scientific evidence about it. This new wave of insane trannies is the result of years of Social Justice activism resulting in them realizing that claiming to be a transgendered person is an easy way to gather oppression points.

 

[kidsquid]

Tumblr's definition of gender is garbage. 99% of non binary genders are total, utter bullshit. Male, female, trans or not trans. Tumblr makes up genders so they're not cis kids, therefore they can be more oppressed and rack in those sweet oppression points. Real trans people who have dysphoria are thrown under the bus by transtrenders for "gatekeeping" (aka telling cis kids they're actually cis) ever since it became hip and trendy to be transgender/not cis.

Spoiler: powerlevel maybe

I'm a girl. I have a vagina. I'm happy as a girl, but I'm not exactly fond of stereo-typically feminine things (dresses, make up, other girl shit idk). I'm not special because of it - I prefer male cuts for shirts (have you seen the current womens fashion? Tiny sleeves are the worst, and see through crap? No pockets?? No thanks), and dress in a more masculine manner. I'm still a girl, though. I don't think "Oooh I'm a demigirl because I don't like girly things uwuwuwuwu" or "I'm a trans boy because I wear boy clothes and like video games uwuwuwuwu". I'm a girl, and I always will be.

Edit: Oh, and short hair is just so much easier to take care of. Long hair is the worst.

 

[KiwisAreCute]

I think the sex change will still have a big place, but simply as a fetish for those who just want to do it because it makes them horny. Jimmy will like to be whipped, Timmy likes to dress up as Pikachu to get off, and Tommy will want to be a chick with a dick.

Those that are actually feeling bad would benefit greatly from a chemical solution. The brain is basically an electric and chemical machine. Yes, it is depressing when you think about it. Nothing magical there.

Okay, I understood you before, but now you're being a bit silly. Many people get the surgery and then feel happy with themselves, and that's all they wanted. I don't know about you, but I doubt someone would ever kill themselves over a fetish.
And no meds give a magical cure. Someone with depression isn't magically cured with meds; they need to learn coping methods too.

 

[Male Idiot]

Tumblr's definition of gender is garbage. 99% of non binary genders are total, utter bullshit. Male, female, trans or not trans. Tumblr makes up genders so they're not cis kids, therefore they can be more oppressed and rack in those sweet oppression points. Real trans people who have dysphoria are thrown under the bus by transtrenders for "gatekeeping" (aka telling cis kids they're actually cis) ever since it became hip and trendy to be transgender/not cis.

Spoiler: powerlevel maybe

I'm a girl. I have a vagina. I'm happy as a girl, but I'm not exactly fond of stereo-typically feminine things (dresses, make up, other girl shit idk). I'm not special because of it - I prefer male cuts for shirts (have you seen the current womens fashion? Tiny sleeves are the worst, and see through crap? No pockets?? No thanks), and dress in a more masculine manner. I'm still a girl, though. I don't think "Oooh I'm a demigirl because I don't like girly things uwuwuwuwu" or "I'm a trans boy because I wear boy clothes and like video games uwuwuwuwu". I'm a girl, and I always will be.

Edit: Oh, and short hair is just so much easier to take care of. Long hair is the worst.

Pockets are love, pockets are life.

Okay, I understood you before, but now you're being a bit silly. Many people get the surgery and then feel happy with themselves, and that's all they wanted. I don't know about you, but I doubt someone would ever kill themselves over a fetish.
And no meds give a magical cure. Someone with depression isn't magically cured with meds; they need to learn coping methods too.

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The current thing is rather invasive. Its not like pop a pill in and grow a vagina, no matter what Chris believes. Its a lot of intensive and irreversible surgery that costs a lot of money and it can kill you if you try it at home, aka Unclit 2.0

 

[The Giver]

A legitimate tranny will never even discuss their gender beyond how they choose to identify.

I'd actually go a bit farther and say that they don't even discuss that unless they have to. The whole idea is to be recognized as "who you are" by those around you, so calling attention to the fact that people sometimes do not identify you by your preferred gender isn't something the few trans folks I've personally known would ever do.

 

[Jan_Hus]

Maybe. Don't care either way as long you aren't an asshole about your identity.

 

[Mike "Bubbles" Smith]

I'd actually go a bit farther and say that they don't even discuss that unless they have to. The whole idea is to be recognized as "who you are" by those around you, so calling attention to the fact that people sometimes do not identify you by your preferred gender isn't something the few trans folks I've personally known would ever do.

ime most transwomen just want to be women, and that includes being left the fuck alone about their gender, and that includes not bringing it up unless it's necessary

it's the lolcows that turn their gender identity into the one thing that they identify with

 

[Cheap Sandals]

I used to be super bullshit liberal about trans stuff like "u can be whatever gender u fell I n ur kokoro uwu" because I suffered dysphoria for most of my life and I wanted to believe you could relieve it. I tried the Tumblr route because it was the only one I knew of to fix it (I was a teen-ager) but stopped quickly because I realised it was just silly and making a fool of myself. The more you try to perform what you "should" be doing the faster you find out all those "shoulds" are total horse shit.

Gender is bullshit and the people who feeeeeeeeeel that they're born liking makeup and lacy underpants are delusional.

 

[r00]

Gender identity is definitely real, but there are only two options to choose from.

 

[Mike "Bubbles" Smith]

Gender identity is definitely real, but there are only two options to choose from.

Personally I'm open to the idea of there being more than two genders but 99% of the "nonbinary" genders exist because tumblr/SJ types love to put people in such constricting boxes that when someone inevitably doesn't fit they have to craft a new box. For all their talk about defying labels and not letting other people define you they certainly want to define everything about other people. Are you a woman who's interested in violent video games and cars? No, you're not a woman, you're a "demigirl." Are you a guy who likes fashion? Congrats, you're "bigender!" This also ties into the whole "transtrender" thing where people shove themselves into the trans box because social justice says so, especially when all they want to do is crossdress.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I think the sex change will still have a big place, but simply as a fetish for those who just want to do it because it makes them horny. Jimmy will like to be whipped, Timmy likes to dress up as Pikachu to get off, and Tommy will want to be a chick with a dick.

I don't buy the idea that anyone would get the surgery to fulfill some fad or fetish. The level of dedication required makes that insane.

 

[r00]

The level of dedication required makes that insane.

I think that's the argument.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't buy the idea that anyone would get the surgery to fulfill some fad or fetish. The level of dedication required makes that insane.

You ever seen the extreme body mods in bmezine? People will do amazing shit for fetishes.

 

[Vapour]

Honestly, I'm a little torn here. I understand people may not 'identify' as certain things and have a rough time because of it, simulatenously, I understand they may just want a dick and not want anything else associated with being a guy.

However, what I find curious is people who also employ logic about trans people not having to adhere to muscline stereotypes or clothing or even HRT. If it's not about wanting a dick (and ergo getting HRT) and it's not about wanting to do what guys do, then it's just how you feel about things. In which case, it's just an emotion. And someone saying "I don't think you're legitimate cause you do none of these things" isn't so much a hate crime towards a tranny as it is just kind of hurting their feelings. What I find the most objectionable is the being unable to question it, it's supposedly rude, or worse, "hate speech" to delve into or even suggest they may be putting it on or that the combination of logic makes being trans an emotion rather than a definitive thing they are.

 

[D.Va]

I ended up with a lot of mutual tranny/nb friends on Twitter somehow and I feel like there's three distinct groups:

• People with actual gender dysphoria -- especially XXY males -- who hate their body more than someone using the wrong pronoun
• People who just feel they don't fit on the gender binary because they don't go clubbing, drink lager, watch football, etc.
• The ones with a privileged upbringing in a first world country, have no dysphoria, but feel it is necessary to refit their identity so they aren't "normal".

The latter -- the transtrenders -- are the worst. It is easy to pick them apart from the other two as they are often incredibly narcissistic and political. They are the ones who use the word 'cis' in every situation, the ones who make the claims that reverse-isms don't exist, the ones who put it/its, ve/ver in their Twitter profile, etc. They are the ironic self-hating troopers who are several times more hostile to those outside their circle than someone with genuine dysphoria because it's the only thing that nets them friends.

Legitimate transpeople are unable to call this shitty behaviour out because this attitude is so contagious (it gives anyone a free pass to be a hypocritical asshole) and they don't want to lose all their friends for being a transphobe. Their reputation is more-or-less fucked by these children and they can't do anything about it.

As for the "non-binary" group, it's why I just don't believe in gender. The modern, mental definition of gender has a direct dependency on gender roles of the past, and without this dependency gender is just the combined sum of a person's hobbies and interests. The idea of cisgenderism only enforces this dependency because it relies on predefined notions of what masculinity and femininity is, and until there is a clear and objection-free way to separate someone who is 'cis' from someone not on the gender binary, this entire thing is lost on me.

 

[KingGeedorah]

The latter -- the transtrenders -- are the worst. It is easy to pick them apart from the other two as they are often incredibly narcissistic and political. They are the ones who use the word 'cis' in every situation, the ones who make the claims that reverse-isms don't exist, the ones who put it/its, ve/ver in their Twitter profile, etc. They are the ironic self-hating troopers who are several times more hostile to those outside their circle than someone with genuine dysphoria because it's the only thing that nets them friends.

It's like being goth in the 80's-90's but with more angst and ball cutting.

 

[WW 635]

Sometimes I think about how great it would be to have a dick. I could totally pee on everything. However, I would not want to actually be a guy since guys are pretty gross tbh. That and @DNJACK would probably divorce me for growing a dick without caring that I got it so I could pee on stuff more easily.

 

[DNJACK]

Id never divorce you <3

 

[WW 635]

Id never divorce you <3

Good to know, especially since I burned dinner again. Also, we need a new shelf so I can buy more bathroom stuff.

 

[DNJACK]

No