Is Christianity compatible with ethnonationalism and pan-ethnic/racial movements? - Do you think some denominations (Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox) are better or worse about mass immigration than others?

[ur_mom_lmaoooo]

I'm not asking if Christianity is compatible with aggressive racism (going to other people's countries/homelands and attacking them, usurping them, displacing them, and so forth on the basis of racial/ethnic superiority). I'm asking if Christianity is compatible with the idea that different ethnic/racial groups have their distinct homelands that they are entitled to, and that they have the right to dictate who is allowed to settle in their lands and gain access to their institutions, identities, cultures, media, infrastructure, resources, and labor (via taxpayer money), and under what terms, conditions, requirements, and restrictions foreigners are allowed to do so (up to and including not allowing any foreigner in regardless of intentions or qualifications if they so choose, for whatever arbitrary reason, because their right to their homeland and identity is absolute).

One of the biggest criticisms I've seen of Christianity (especially the Catholic Church) as of late is the idea that it explicitly rejects this and seemingly supports the exact opposite -- the endless mass settlement of hostile foreign populations into countries whose native populations have largely not consented to this, all on the argument that it is their Christian duty to sacrifice themselves, their economies, their homelands, and their cultures in order to house, clothe, feed, educate, and employ complete strangers from second- and third-world countries who do generally nothing but rape, loot, kill, subvert, marginalize, destroy, appropriate, vandalize, and generally defile and degrade Western Civilization and its peoples.

I guess this brings me back to my original question, which is do you think this is a fair and accurate accusation to make of Christianity? Or do you think that Christianity as an ideology is compatible with ethnonationalism and pan-ethnic/racial movements, and that the Christian groups supporting mass immigration and initiatives like DEI are subversive LARPers who don't actually follow Christian teachings? Or do think it's an issue specific to certain denominations, and that not all denominations have this problem?

(The major denominations people tend to bring up in this discussion are Protestantism, Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy, for the record.)

 

[Schwarzwald]

One can love and support their neighbor without preparing a room in their house for them to permanently move into.

 

[Dick Lickieta]

Christianity doesn't demand of the civilization that embraces it be suicidal, but it does sattle it with the duty to the rest of the world as one of the most fundamental doctrines is that all humanity is made in the image of God. From this principle if enthnostates would confer the best possible standard of living to the greatest number of people while ensuring all nations hear the gospel, then it can be argued that it is compatible so long and the means to get to that end also don't violate the intrinsic dignity of man.

 

[Gog & Magog]

I've met Christians from every corner of the globe. Most of the christians I know have no problem with foreigners moving in and becoming permenant settlers (so long as they tolerate being evangelized to.) This is especially true of missionaries in my experience. But individuals' politics and religion don't always neatly align. And I understand why some christians are hesitant about bringing in more non-christian foreigners. I don't imagine a refugee christian family from Nigeria would be all that happy were their persecutors to move in next door.

 

[PetiteFeet]

Even the most hateful low IQ christian is a more tolerable person than any other type of religious person. I would rather have the Westborough baptist church picketing outside my house or as my neighbours than I would a muslim equivalent.
I haven't heard of many christians from less developed countries being as dangerous to other people compared to other religions.

 

[Black Man Underwear]

Did God create the races of the world so you could mix them up?

 

[ur_mom_lmaoooo]

I haven't heard of many christians from less developed countries being as dangerous to other people compared to other religions.

African Christians (like Nigerians) still have elevated crime rates (including violent crime). Still not as bad as Muslims, though.

 

[Gog & Magog]

Did God create the races of the world so you could mix them up?

I don't recall Jesus ever saying that.

 

[PetiteFeet]

African Christians (like Nigerians) still have elevated crime rates (including violent crime). Still not as bad as Muslims, though.

Very true, I expect some third world country christians to have a less cultured way of life but I wouldn't blame it on their religion but rather their situation as a whole. They're also the type of "christian" to believe in folk medicine like "raping a virgin cures you of AIDS".

 

[wetlettuce]

Catholics unite as Catholics, irrespective of the nationality of the Catholic; what unites them is 'the faith'. We are supposed to recognise other Catholics as 'brothers and sisters', the church being the mother of us all. As Jesus himself said, (Matthew 25: 40-45), 'whatsoever you do to the least of our brothers, that you do unto me'.
The least of us? The poor, the dispossessed, the sick, the hungry, the marginalized, the oppressed, the voiceless: how you treat these people, with the least of things, the least power, the least voice, you do that, for Christ. To be a Christian is to be the light, provide hope, succour, justice, sometimes making sacrifices for others, sometimes even losing, in the spirit of Christ. Broad is the way, and narrow is the gate. I don't think that Jesus asks us only to serve believers, to determine somebody's 'value' before determining whether they are worthy of aid. We're all sinners, we all fall short in some way. All that is asked of us, in Christs' name, is that we feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give water to those who thirst. To forgive, to seek to understand, and to love. Love is the greatest commandment of all. To love our fellow man, to try to see the worth in them, the light in them, to look for the God, in them. To treat our neighbours as ourselves.
It isn't easy to be that kind of Christian. .
Let's be honest. Most people who seek asylum, who are refugees, they are not looting, killing, raping, pillaging. Even those who we deride as 'economic migrants', their only real crime is to want a better life for themselves and for their families. That isn't a sin, is it?

Muslims, Jews and Christians are all 'people of the book'. Ultimately, we share the same basic ideas about charity and morality. We share the same origin stories, the same stories about Genesis, Moses, the Israelites, the torah, et cetera. Good people of the book? Are not murdering, raping, thieving, looting, irrespective of the book they read.

We could all be brothers, if we allowed ourselves to be. That takes courage. That takes faith. Maybe we're collectively not brave or faithful enough to hold our own? Maybe our fear that the tables will be turned and that we will be on the receiving end of the whip is understandable?

I don't think the current state of play is anything to do with the people who are true believers. I think those who cannot be charitable to each other, who do not care for the poor and the needy, for those who cannot come to the aid of somebody suffering because of some presumed difference, I think they are unbelievers. They use God as a weapon, they use faith as a tool of oppression, contrary to what our respective holy books actually advise us to do.

In Medina, Mohammed allowed the jews who were already there to remain. They were not to be converted. Even after Nero told everyone they were to be slaughtered. They were allowed to practise their faith, their were allowed to participate fully in society. No, it didn't last, but my point in outlining this is... there is no reason why different people of different faiths cannot live together, and have their own way, so long as everybody plays the same game and nobody seeks to dominate the others. For that to happen, you need robust laws that everyone follows and everyone understands. We don't have those laws, because our leaders are weak.

Immigration is not God's problem. It is the fault of capitalism, of global wealth inequality, of centuries of oppression and pillaging and exploiting people who we conveniently dismiss as lesser, as weaker, as other while we all pretend to be people of a superior faith. Not seeing the worth in our fellow man, not allowing them dignity, not allowing them their faith and their rituals, that's what fucks us all. Yes, we need balance, to have decent laws that respect and protect us all, as equals. I think that is the way forward for us. Not building walls and creating ghettos, not creating bogeymen and baby-eaters living beyond those walls.

When you talk about 'second and third world countries', what you're really railing against is poverty. It sounds like you don't want to be inconvenienced by poor people. You sound frightened they might take your riches. Perhaps, deep down, your are uncomfortable with the inequality you see in the world, and instead of looking for a way to ensure everyone's basic needs are met, you're selfish and frightened.

Maybe all these hordes of raping, pillaging, low IQ browns are coming to kill you. To take from you like your ancestors took from them? Maybe, just like you think about browns, they see YOU and all the other whiteys as a homogenous mass of oppressive violent slave master type filth who deserve to be brutalized and denied your faith and culture...

But, excuse my sperging... lol, to answer your question

in my opinion, the subversive larpers in this story are the people who profess to be Christians while they have their cosy chats about ethnonationalism being some kind of godly state and deriding the clumsy but well-intentioned initiatives like DEI.

Jesus was a brown. Don't forget.

 

[Soup Sammiches]

God said love your fellow man. I do. Niggers and jews are a different story..

Sorry what was the question?

 

[Ygolonac]

Not at all coherently, trying to force this isn't going to make sense from a Christian point of view is going to give you a headache.
The best and most common application of Christianity is generally as a thin veneer pasted over whatever you want. Believe in God and heaven and maybe Jesus and hell. Absolutely everything else is up to your own whims. The less you know, the easier it is to be a Christian. This is unironically how most people operated historically until the reformation and second awakening, and it's how most lay Christians treat the religion today as well.

If you try to unironically join and play apologetics for some official sect like Christian Identity you are going to be struggling with a lot of cognitive dissonance.

 

[Nickel Silver]

the endless mass settlement of hostile foreign populations

This is "loving your neighbor" except you treat your entire country as less of your neighbor than a hostile foreign population and you don't bother with threat assessment.

In the Parable of the Good Samaritan, the traveler, robbed and beaten half to death, was harmless and completely at the Samaritan's mercy. The Samaritan chose to be harmless and took pity on a helpless man. Two men of different ethnicities are considered neighbors, unlike the Jewish priest or the Levite.

Criminal immigrants choose to cause harm and have no compassion. I am not obligated to allow them in and pillage my country like an invading army.

As for your question, ancient Israel was as much of an ethnostate as God would allow, but that didn't stop foreigners from becoming citizens if they kept the Law of Moses. If foreigners are willing and able to play by our rules, there's no reason we shouldn't allow them into our country. If immigrants refuse to integrate, they shouldn't be here.

 

[French Dip]

It's completely compatible and religious infighting amongst white nationalists is literally documented as one of the primary pain points antifa and jewish organizations intentionally use to derail online conversations amongst them. If you're a white nationalist, do your religious sperging in a side chat and never EVER let it distract you from organizing.

 

[Skitarii]

Vatican II mental diarrhea

Ethnophyletist garbage

You two faggots should kiss and delete your accounts.

 

[French Dip]

You two faggots should kiss and delete your accounts.

Tell me where the Bible says that if 800 million niggers want to come into your homeland and rape your daughters you have to let them. Aren't there multiple stories in the Bible of God intervening on behalf of defending nations?

 

[BoxerShorts47]

christnaity has always been opne boprders

 

[No-Eyed Square Guy]

Christianity is increasingly a proxy for non-whiteness.

Non-whites are strongly "ethnonationalist"—for themselves and their nations.

They'll have yours as well, as their religion dictates.

 

[Kitty Cat Man]

it's not compatible with statism period. christians should aspire to live a monastic life and exit society so they can pray in deeper intensity and get closer to God.

partaking in society is sin, immigration is a product of society, therefore immigrants are all sinners. "there is no jew or greek" is more about participation in culture than it is about race.
my racism is a product of exposure to the detritus of society and is therefore sinful to entertain. if I were a Good Christian I would fuck off and go pray in the mountains or something and doing that would probably also make me less racist.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

In the 17th Chapter of St Luke it is written: “the Kingdom of God is within man” - not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people have the power - the power to create machines. The power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.

And yes all man, even the monkey looking ones so stop trying to find outs like a fakeJew Jesus the Redeemer doesn’t seem to like that sass