UN Irish vote to legalise abortion - The reeeeeing of fundies is audible even at this distance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-northern-ireland-44236535

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44241521

Counting has started in the Irish abortion referendum, hours after exit polls suggested a landslide vote in favour of liberalising the law.

Polls by The Irish Times and RTÉ suggested about 69% voted to repeal a part of the constitution that effectively bans terminations.

The communications director of one of the main anti-abortion campaigns, John McGuirk, has conceded they have lost.

He said: "There are people who are deeply broken-hearted at this outcome."

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Counting began at 09:00 local time and the result is expected by the evening.

Image caption Ballots ready to be counted in Letterkenny, County Donegal
Those taking part in Friday's referendum were asked whether they wanted to repeal or retain a part of the constitution known as the Eighth Amendment, which says an unborn child has the same right to life as a pregnant woman.

'Broken-hearted'
Mr McGuirk, communications director of the anti-abortion Save The 8th campaign, told Irish broadcaster RTÉ that the people of Ireland "weighed it in the balance and it came down on one side.

"I obviously would have preferred if they had come down on the other," he said.

"There is no prospect of the (abortion rights) legislation not being passed."

Taoiseach (prime minister) Leo Varadkar, who supported the reforms, said it looked as if the country was about to "make history".

Broadcaster RTÉ's exit poll suggested 69.4% in favour of the Yes side and 30.6% for No. In Dublin, 79% of people voted for repeal, according to the RTÉ poll.

An exit poll released by The Irish Times points to 68% Yes to 32% for No.

And here's some salt already.

 

[Keystone]

About time the world got serious about removing patty.

 

[skiddlez]

I just want "pro-choice" people to drop the retarded euphemism and be real about what it is that they want. Everyone knows it's a load of shit, even "pro-choice" people do, and I can't take them seriously with a label like "muh choice." It's literally the only "choice" these people care about. If they cared about "womens' choice" or whatever the fuck that means, they'd also be rallying for women to be allowed to choose to do drugs, drive without a seatbelt, commit suicide, etc. It's her body, right?

There are good and awful reasons to have an abortion. I don't think regulation to stop stuff like "the kid isn't the gender that I wanted so I'm gonna abort and try again" is a bad thing. People who want abortion to be an open free-for-all are, generally speaking, not good people. Maybe I shouldn't care that they're getting abortions though, it means they're not breeding.

 

[vhstape]

How long till the IRA comes back to start bombing abortion clinics?

 

[Ginger Piglet]

How long till the IRA comes back to start bombing abortion clinics?

I don't think they did. They used to kneecap drug dealers but I don't think they ever bombed clinics. That was an American specialty. Army of God and all that.

Oh, and Abort67. They're a British anti-abortion campaign group who on their website make the suspiciously specific denial that they bomb clinics and threaten legal action against anyone who says they do. Now I'm not saying that Abort67 bomb clinics, but that they have to specifically deny it speaks volumes.

 

[Red Hood]

Too little, too late. Bono already walks among us.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

I just want "pro-choice" people to drop the retarded euphemism and be real about what it is that they want. Everyone knows it's a load of shit, even "pro-choice" people do, and I can't take them seriously with a label like "muh choice." It's literally the only "choice" these people care about. If they cared about "womens' choice" or whatever the fuck that means, they'd also be rallying for women to be allowed to choose to do drugs, drive without a seatbelt, commit suicide, etc. It's her body, right?

There are good and awful reasons to have an abortion. I don't think regulation to stop stuff like "the kid isn't the gender that I wanted so I'm gonna abort and try again" is a bad thing. People who want abortion to be an open free-for-all are, generally speaking, not good people. Maybe I shouldn't care that they're getting abortions though, it means they're not breeding.

Honestly the choice to have a abortion must be one of the toughest choices a women makes when made for medical reasons or they feel they cant raise a child properly. I suppose its better not to exists than to live in suffering or not feeling wanted by your parents. Then again I live in the UK where a viable stratagem for a long time for certain women was to pop a kid out every few years and farm the benefits system using them so they didn't have to work.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Good. Looks like the Irish won't be breeding like rabbits any more.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

It isn't over yet, as I highly doubt that the danger hairs and other far leftists will be satisfied with the 12 week limit.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Then again I live in the UK where a viable stratagem for a long time for certain women was to pop a kid out every few years and farm the benefits system using them so they didn't have to work.

And when it was floated that child benefits and tax credits be limited in terms of the number of children you could have, there was much reeeeeing about EUGENICS because disapproval of having children you can't afford is LITERALLY SOCIAL CLEANSING.

The rest of us don't procreate wildly because we can't afford to, so why should everyone else be entitled to a tugboat for all their crotch goblins?

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

This is all a conspiracy of southside Dublin potato jews to cap the population of Ballymun knackers.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

This is all a conspiracy of southside Dublin potato jews to cap the population of Ballymun knackers.

Very likely considering Fine Gael and their very own gay Indian where all for it.

 

[JaneThough]

I just want "pro-choice" people to drop the retarded euphemism and be real about what it is that they want. Everyone knows it's a load of shit, even "pro-choice" people do, and I can't take them seriously with a label like "muh choice." It's literally the only "choice" these people care about. If they cared about "womens' choice" or whatever the fuck that means, they'd also be rallying for women to be allowed to choose to do drugs, drive without a seatbelt, commit suicide, etc. It's her body, right?

There are good and awful reasons to have an abortion. I don't think regulation to stop stuff like "the kid isn't the gender that I wanted so I'm gonna abort and try again" is a bad thing. People who want abortion to be an open free-for-all are, generally speaking, not good people. Maybe I shouldn't care that they're getting abortions though, it means they're not breeding.

I get the idea you don’t know much of anything about pro choice outside what the prolife side rees about. The only reason the pro choice side discusses abortion as much as it does is no ones trying to make the woman’s other choices illegal. Also your second point is asinine. The pro choice movement is specifically about reproductive choice. If you go to Planned Parenthood, a pretty pro choice organization, you’ll find they support and help women with whatever they decide - be it keeping the baby, adoption or abortion.

On the opposite end, why doesn’t prolife be real about what they are and stop calling themselves prolife? If they were prolife, they’d give a single shit about the baby after it was born, and be marching the streets for better programs for mothers and children, universal healthcare and adopting the shit out of unwanted babies. Turns out, it’s really just about denying the woman their constitutionally protected right to choose, the right that prochoicers fight for.

 

[Jeff Heaney]

19 years too late for my mother.

 

[skiddlez]

I get the idea you don’t know much of anything about pro choice outside what the prolife side rees about.

I don't usually get involved in this debate but strawmanning is fun, I understand.

If you go to Planned Parenthood, a pretty pro choice organization, you’ll find they support and help women with whatever they decide - be it keeping the baby, adoption or abortion.

Bullshit. Planned Parenthood is well known for providing no other services for pregnant women other than abortion (such as parenting classes or adoption services) because they wouldn't make any money off that. Their main source of revenue is abortion.

On the opposite end, why doesn’t prolife be real about what they are and stop calling themselves prolife? If they were prolife, they’d give a single shit about the baby after it was born, and be marching the streets for better programs for mothers and children, universal healthcare and adopting the shut out of unwanted babies.

They do give a shit, I know for a fact they do charities and giveaways to new mothers because I've seen them.

Turns out, it’s really just about denying the woman their constitutionally protected right to choose, the right that prochoicers fight for.

I assume you're speaking about the US constitution (certainly not the Irish constitution). There is nothing in the US constitution that guarantees abortion as an absolute right above all other legislation. It was a court ruling called "Roe v. Wade."

 

[JaneThough]

I don't usually get involved in this debate but strawmanning is fun, I understand.


Bullshit.


They do give a shit, I know for a fact they do charities and giveaways to new mothers because I've seen them.


I assume you're speaking about the US constitution (certainly not the Irish constitution). There is nothing in the US constitution that guarantees abortion as an absolute right above all other legislation. It was a court ruling called "Roe v. Wade."

LOL liveaction.org? Dude, get off the prolife propaganda! This organization has been caught numerous times editing and misrepresenting shit in their videos. Some of us have actual real world life experience with Planned Parenthood that trumps your "OMG SAVE THE BABIEZ!" propaganda website.

Tell me more about the charities and giveaways for new mothers. What about mothers of toddlers? Or 5 year olds? Ten year olds? Teenagers? What about when they get college aged? I know it may come as a surprise, but children cost lots of money and don't just stay in their cute baby phase for a bit and we can all forget about them. Those couple of packages of diapers, some formula and onsies don't do shit when you consider the cost of raising a child for 18 years. And women who are actively seeking an abortion are doing it for a reason. The fact that these organizations prey on them and offer all this support, which then dries up real quick, is so unbelievably cruel. Prolifers need to just MYOB. You even said, who gives a shit if women abort?

Yes, the US constitution. I recommend reading up on Roe vs Wade, because they ruled the way they did because abortion is protected under the 14th amendment. So, constitutionally protected.

https://nwlc.org/resources/roe-v-wade-and-right-abortion/

I see you edited to add:

Planned Parenthood is well known for providing no other services for pregnant women other than abortion (such as parenting classes or adoption services) because they wouldn't make any money off that. Their main source of revenue is abortion.

And . I'm not sure you are really this ill informed or a troll.

On the PP situation, I can tell you you are completely wrong from my own personal experiences. Other than that, you can even check their website and see what they offer:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/pregnancy/considering-parenthood
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-greater-ohio/education-training/programming
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/pregnancy/considering-adoption

Every PP doesn't even perform abortions. So, explain to me exactly how they only provide abortions when many of them don't even offer that service?

Here's the thing. There have been many investigations into PP, because shitty prolife organizations that cannot fathom women taking control of their reproductive decisions make up shit and falisify videos, and guess what? Nothing has come of those investigations! So chill on hating this organization that does lots of good, because you wanna save the babiez. Adopt some.

 

[TiggerNits]

If we killed all the unwanted babies then there wouldn't be any Irish

 

[Caddchef]

I don't think they did. They used to kneecap drug dealers..

And now they are the drug dealers, oh how times have changed.

 

[skiddlez]

LOL liveaction.org? Dude, get off the prolife propaganda! This organization has been caught numerous times editing and misrepresenting shit in their videos.

Like how? Organizations like CMP have posted full unedited tapes and pro-choicers have called those "deceptively edited."

Tell me more about the charities and giveaways for new mothers. What about mothers of toddlers? Or 5 year olds? Ten year olds? Teenagers? What about when they get college aged? I know it may come as a surprise, but children cost lots of money and don't just stay in their cute baby phase for a bit and we can all forget about them. Those couple of packages of diapers, some formula and onsies don't do shit when you consider the cost of raising a child for 18 years.

If you live in a first-world country your children will not starve. Welfare exists. And when they get college aged, if you don't make enough money to put them in college, student aid pays it or gives you loans out the ass. If you really don't want the kid adoption networks exist too, you still have yet to tell me why that's such a terrible option.

And women who are actively seeking an abortion are doing it for a reason.

I'd like to remind you that "it's the gender that I didn't want" is one of the most common reasons for an abortion.

You even said, who gives a shit if women abort?

Yeah you're making me become pro-choice (but not for the right reason).

Yes, the US constitution. I recommend reading up on Roe vs Wade, because they ruled the way they did because abortion is protected under the 14th amendment. So, constitutionally protected.

The government deciding that, at the time, "privacy in the clinic" also covers the right to terminate pregnancy is not the same as an amendment that explicitly states "abortion is okay." Roe v. Wade would not be that hard to overturn. An amendment that said "abortion is okay" would be.

And if you want to throw out there that "well the law says it's okay" that doesn't make something right. Back in the day in the US you could lynch black people and it was fine because they weren't considered people. In the middle east you can beat and kill women and gays because they have no rights. Just because it's legal doesn't make it right.

I'm not arguing about this anymore, I'm not here to debate people like you who pretend to have no stakes in an agenda whilst getting mad that I don't think all abortion is justified and it should be limited as a practice.

 

[JaneThough]

I'd like to remind you that "it's the gender that I didn't want" is one of the most common reasons for an abortion.

Please present your data.

As a woman, I am not at all pretending to have no stakes in this. I do, because abortion can be life saving. But I, too, am done. You have zero facts to back up anything you have said. And this isn't about thinking "all abortion is justified". I don't care what abortions you think are justified or not. It's not up to you, because you're not getting the abortion, buddy. Why do you care so much about what other people do? MYOB.

I don't give a crap what reason you become prochoice for, as long as you do. In fact, I'm pretty sure you actually are (you said yourself that you don't care that much about people aborting!) but are so bought out by the bullshit prolife propaganda that you can't let yourself admit it.