Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

[browserbowser]

The majority of Americans are against this war and have an unfavorable opinion of the president (the lowest since Nixon’s Watergate scandal).

The majority of Americans have unfavorable opinions about Israel now too.

They’re losing the information war and rage pigging about it.

Correct.

Reminder, since it keeps being slid past a lot of people's notice:

here is a reminder that Israel being responsible in the entirety for any and all negative repercussions of this war as the nation that started it, is backed by the words of the Republican party's speaker of the house:

Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., described the recent U.S.-Israeli strikes on Iran as a defensive measure, saying, "Israel was determined to act with or without us" following a classified briefing on Monday evening.

Johnson told reporters after the briefing that Israel viewed Iran's capabilities as an existential threat and was prepared to conduct operations regardless of U.S. participation. He said Israel's assessment shaped American deliberations, and it was "determined to act in their own defense here, with or without American support."

The speaker said administration officials had to weigh risks to U.S. forces, regional assets and interests before supporting the operation.

"They had to evaluate the threats to the U.S., to our troops, to our installations, to our assets in the region and beyond. And they determined, because of the intelligence that we had, that a coordinated response was necessary," Johnson said.

Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, R-La., gestures as he meets with reporters ahead of a key procedural vote to end the partial government shutdown, at the Capitol in Washington, Tuesday, Feb. 3, 2026. (J. Scott Applewhite/AP Photo)

Johnson said he guarantees that if the U.S. had not acted, the Trump administration would have been hauled in by Congress and asked why they waited if they had "existential intelligence, knowing that that would happen."

Currently, the Israeli government is attempting, through Senator Tom Cotton, to enjoin compliance within our government, in a manner only comparable to a hostile takeover of our intelligence and military apparati by a foreign power recently declared a critical intelligence threat by our own government.

In any sane society this would be marked as an open and naked act of aggression tantamount to an act of war. By Israel.

Spoiler: Relevant articles with quotes

https://www.military.com/pentagon-raises-israeli-spy-threat-as-ndaa-seeks-deeper-defense-ties

The Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency recently elevated Israel's counterintelligence threat designation to “critical,” the highest level in its system.
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The reported assessment has drawn attention because it became public while lawmakers are debating a provision in the Fiscal Year 2027 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that would deepen defense technology cooperation and industrial integration between the two countries.

https://leohohmann.substack.com/p/senator-tom-cotton-tries-to-sneak

I recently reportedthat the U.S. House of Representatives has quietly inserted an amendment, Section 224, into the National Defense Authorization Act of 2027 that would merge the U.S. and Israeli militaries for purposes of various weapons technology research and development, including but not limited to artificial intelligence, autonomous systems, cyber, quantum computing, biotechnology and virtually any other new developments that come down the pike.

If that wasn’t bad enough, there is an even more questionable piece of legislation now being advanced in the U.S. Senate that seeks to merge the two nations’ intelligence-gathering operations in the Middle East.

Buried deep inside the Senate’s 192-page Intelligence Authorization Act of 2027 is Section 622, titled “United States-Israel Intelligence Sharing Enhancement.” It would require the president, acting through the director of national intelligence and as necessary the secretary of war, to “expand and enhance intelligence sharing with the Government of Israel” on a list of subjects that encompasses almost every topic of intelligence interest in the Middle East.

The amendment was offered by Republican Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas, a notorious Israel-firster who has been a vocal proponent of U.S. involvement in every foreign war of choice in the Middle East since getting elected to the House in 2012 and the Senate in 2014. Although not as well-known as Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Mr. Cotton is every bit as bad when it comes to his eagerness to use U.S. military power on behalf of foreign interests.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[TayTweets]

America's greatest ally gloating over a US military airplane crash and implying they had a hand in it. Remind me again why Americans support Israel?

 

[The Punished Mitch]

America's greatest ally gloating over a US military airplane crash and implying they had a hand in it. Remind me again why Americans support Israel?

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DSP, not like this..

 

[Nonga Tork]

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Huh, not often you get Israelis actually acknowledging a difference between modern Israel and biblical Israel. Because that's the only way this makes sense, half the Old Testament consists of, "And then Israel pissed God off so they got their shit wrecked by one of their neighbors."

 

[MeltyTW]

So i didnt want to just say everyone on the right supporting this war was just a jew shill .... but a fair number of them like razorfist have actually mocked trump for ending this war. maybe its still a minority and all the ones seething are still mainly just jews like levin, but it has me a bit concerned and shocked because i could have sworn the response from people like fist would be to sell it as a trump W, thats the impression i got before. which means these people actually have ulterior motives for having supported that bs war that cant even be summed up by blind loyalty to a figure they thought would help america.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I do not like collective punishment, particularly collective killing, but it gets hardier every day to see any other way to deal with Israelis and their diaspora.

 

[umseriously]

I do not like collective punishment, particularly collective killing, but it gets hardier every day to see any other way to deal with Israelis and their diaspora.

Just speak the truth to them. I am not comfortable with the idea of mass massacre or even expulsion. If even 1 of them is innocent, that is enough to not kill the entire lot.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Seafarer]

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

So i didnt want to just say everyone on the right supporting this war was just a jew shill .... but a fair number of them like razorfist have actually mocked trump for ending this war. maybe its still a minority and all the ones seething are still mainly just jews like levin, but it has me a bit concerned and shocked because i could have sworn the response from people like fist would be to sell it as a trump W, thats the impression i got before. which means these people actually have ulterior motives for having supported that bs war that cant even be summed up by blind loyalty to a figure they thought would help america.

I think it instead shows these people are so goddamn dirt dumb that they believe trump has good intentions and the ability to get better outcomes. They are so buck broken that they can’t comprehend that they have been lied to and have to frame it as trump just having a little consent accident

 

[MeltyTW]

I do not like collective punishment, particularly collective killing, but it gets hardier every day to see any other way to deal with Israelis and their diaspora.

i have no issue because their plan for my kind was complete humiliation and self hatred and cuckoldry psyops and humiliation rituals being forced onto our culture. its not an individual being punished for another's sins, the collective is by and large guilty. that and being jewish is something you can opt out of, you can simply not follow the cursed religion of the devil and you can simply label yourself white or whatever your host population is in earnest since genetically you basically are your host population as a jew. it is important to remember that they could just be white people in america or europe or blacks in africa or indians in india or asians as they genetically are closer to those things than any sort of distinct genetic group of their own. catch the rainbow for instance doesnt have to be a jew, he doesnt need to suck off yidsrael, he doesnt have to subvert the west. in fact it is an imposition they made on us in and of itself for them to insist that they even have a separate special identity.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[browserbowser]

I do not like collective punishment, particularly collective killing, but it gets hardier every day to see any other way to deal with Israelis and their diaspora.

Just speak the truth to them. I am not comfortable with the idea of mass massacre or even expulsion. If even 1 of them is innocent, that is enough to not kill the entire lot.

What you will find is that each of them to a man and woman are supporters in one way or another of a political system that ends ultimately in White disenfranchisement, and shockingly, think it's a good idea in many instances genuinely.

The real tragedy is that while violence should be avoided, separation is not only inevitable but the only logical conclusion. These people as a people keep ending up here as this is their ethnic interest in any given nation they are in. Crucially, they are inseparable from their ethnic interest, which is why they reliably subvert the nation they're in and reliably support exclusively subversive ideologies such as big-L Liberalism, Libertarianism, various forms of Marxism, etc.

The entire concept of judging groups as being morally repugnant itself is a spook. We have no trouble whatsoever doing this in regards to countries, corporations, or other collectives. States in the U.S. can receive less funding as a punitive measure, for instance. Corporate personhood is a concept seriously discussed in law in the West. Examples abound.

There is no moral question in judging groups. There is only a question of accuracy of scope and motive, as with any other answer to "Cui Bono?" that has ever existed in human history when determining the cause of antisocial actions on the behalf of persons, alone or as a group.

Our entire civilization has been trained to pigeonhole these discussions into retarded black and white, false dichotomies with no nuance. I can make a very persuasive argument that it's bad to judge individuals, because of how groups affect them, which is a progressive talking point by the way, using the exact same logical framing. It's just nonsensical.

 

[Retrodogkiller]

Just speak the truth to them. I am not comfortable with the idea of mass massacre or even expulsion. If even 1 of them is innocent, that is enough to not kill the entire lot.

Recent surveys say about 15% of them are worth keeping alive, just save those 15% and put the rest in a microwave.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[MrJokerRager]

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[MeltyTW]

What you will find is that each of them to a man and woman are supporters in one way or another of a political system that ends ultimately in White disenfranchisement, and shockingly, think it's a good idea in many instances genuinely.

it should be noted that every racial group was more hesitant to support dei despite benefiting from it and it being frankly a way out of a terrible life for many of them after being informed it would hurt white people even when framed in more mild terms than the reality of how much it negatively impacts us, jews who live in total comfort on the fruits of our labor heard that it hurts us and statistically got way more excited to support it. they view our humiliation and degradation as a good thing. the media has spent decades priming us to invade iran in subtle ways, games centered on fighting a costly but "necessary" war against fanatics, media like top gun casting iran as an enemy, etc they had that much control over us and they could have just made a kosher white nationalism where whites like each other but are brainwashed to like jews. that would have been the easier option infact. but no they risked annihilation so that they could spite us. it is impossible to overstate just how much more agency each individual jew had to avoid this outcome, than any of us here will have for any choice involving wider society ever unless some of you are millionaires i guess. if tkd is too far than the whole idea of moral culpability is a farce.

 

[babadook]

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