Inside the Chinese Room

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Something new.

Abstract:
I attempt to show the inside nature of thought.

Plaintext:
Inside the Chinese Room
Alex Buckley
Central Organizer of New General Management

Dedicated to the Kiwi Farms

The room was totally eggshell white: the walls bore no other color, neither that nor the lone desk that sat in the center of the room, or that of the uniform worn by a man sitting in a chair at the desk. A computer is before him: white as usual, its screen glowed subtly with the light of its green glyphs.

A single thick white cord extends out of the back of the computer and runs along the floor and up the wall, before disappearing seamlessly into it.

A door to the room opens and another man enters: he appears to be the sitting man's colleague as he is wearing a similar uniform. He shuts the door behind him and walks to stand next to the seated man. Looking over his shoulder at the computer screen, he takes a slow sip of his coffee before remarking,

“Are you still trying this?”

The sitting man presses a few more keys, eliciting beeps and whirs from the machine as it flashes. The standing man presses him a bit further,

“But how do you know that it works?”

The seated man turns his head to look up at his partner, giving him a strange look, before responding,

“I don't know if it works.”

“So you are just trying things?”

“I told you before, there's certain patterns.”

“But it's not geometrical?”

“No, I've been doing it by feel.

This surprises the newcomer.

“And you think that these feelings can be telepathically transmitted?”

“Well, at that point we are discussing the transmission and reception of vibes.”

“And this is a form of communication that will allow control over something that you can't see.”

“Yes”

“And you think that by somehow manipulating things here, by pattern and alignment and balancing, you can change something somewhere else?”

“Yes.”

“But how do you know that you can reach these things, those that are beyond us, and how may you know them through patterns of feeling? How do you know that this isn't some kind of hallucination, a fool's errand! I've looked all around this office space: that cable leads nowhere! It just goes straight into the wall! That computer isn't connected to anything at all!”

“I told you already, I don't.”
 

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Your other ones are usually too long to get anything but a courtesy skim, but I actually managed to read this entire one and still don't quite follow what the point is supposed to be. Not in the philosophical sense, but more in the basic "What are these people even talking about, and why do they sound like two robots with aspergers?"

I'm glad it makes sense to you though. Good job.
 
Your other ones are usually too long to get anything but a courtesy skim, but I actually managed to read this entire one and still don't quite follow what the point is supposed to be. Not in the philosophical sense, but more in the basic "What are these people even talking about, and why do they sound like two robots with aspergers?"

I'm glad it makes sense to you though. Good job.
I would like to get them shorter and more to the point.
 
The second edition of this text.

Small changes.

In plaintext
Inside the Chinese Room
Second Edition

Alex Buckley
Central Organizer of New General Management

1/8/2025

Dedicated to the Kiwi Farms

The room was totally eggshell white: the walls bore no other color, neither that nor the lone desk that sat in the center of the room, or that of the uniform worn by a man sitting in a chair at the desk. A computer is before him: white as usual, its screen glowed subtly with the light of its green glyphs.

A single thick white cord extends out of the back of the computer and runs along the floor and up the wall, before disappearing seamlessly into it.

A door to the room opens and another man enters: he appears to be the sitting man's colleague as he is wearing a similar uniform. He shuts the door behind him and walks to stand next to the seated man. Looking over his shoulder at the computer screen, he takes a slow sip of his coffee before remarking,

“Are you still trying this?”

The sitting man presses a few more keys, eliciting beeps and whirs from the machine as its screen flashes. The standing man presses him a bit further,

“But how do you know that it works?”

The seated man turns his head to look up at his partner, giving him a strange look, before responding,

“I don't know that it works.”

“So you are just trying things?”

“I told you before, there's certain patterns.”

“But it's not geometrical?”

“No, I've been doing it by feel.”

This surprises the newcomer.

“And you think that these feelings can be telepathically transmitted?”

“Well, at that point we are discussing the transmission and reception of vibes.”

“And this is a form of communication that will allow control over something that you can't see.”

“Yes”

“And you think that by somehow manipulating things here, by pattern and alignment and balancing, you can change something somewhere else?”

“Yes.”

“But how do you know that you can reach these things, those that are beyond us, and how may you know them through patterns of feeling? How do you know that this isn't some kind of hallucination, a fool's errand! I've looked all around this office space: that cable leads nowhere! It just goes straight into the wall! That computer isn't connected to anything at all!”

“I told you already, I don't know for sure.”
 

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A door to the room opens and another man enters: he appears to be the sitting man's colleague as he is wearing a similar uniform
Your writing style was matter of fact, then it switches to some speculative tone abruptly, just say hes wearing a similar uniform, and that hes a colleague.
“But how do you know that it works?”
this seems like a rebuttal to the person sitting, but that person hasnt said anything, should probably rephrase this into a starting question for the string of queries rather than a rebuttal.
“But how do you know that you can reach these things, those that are beyond us, and how may you know them through patterns of feeling? How do you know that this isn't some kind of hallucination, a fool's errand! I've looked all around this office space: that cable leads nowhere! It just goes straight into the wall! That computer isn't connected to anything at all!”

“I told you already, I don't know for sure.”
this seems like you want to poke at the nature of knowing things, what it means to be certain, and the foundation of how we build proofs (theres a poke at the whole idea of all things being a hallucination, something something brain in a jar), but to push the ball forward here you need to make a reason to motivate the man who thinks hes doing something productive, maybe have him respond about the nature of observation to form arguments that make proofs, and that maybe things we cant observe may be true and repeatable (IE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_completeness_theorem. or rather, its incompleteness...)

regardless, good luck on your endeavors.
 
Última edición:
The third edition of this text.

Plaintext:
Inside the Chinese Room
Third Edition

Alex Buckley
Central Organizer of New General Management

1/8/2025

Dedicated to the Kiwi Farms

The room was totally eggshell white: the walls bore no other color, neither that nor the lone desk that sat in the center of the room, or that of the uniform worn by a man sitting in a chair at the desk. A computer is before him: white as usual, its screen glowed subtly with the light of its green glyphs.

A single thick white cord extends out of the back of the computer and runs along the floor and up the wall, before disappearing seamlessly into it.

A door to the room opens and another man enters: he appears to be the sitting man's colleague as he is wearing a similar uniform. He shuts the door behind him and walks to stand next to the seated man. Looking over his shoulder at the computer screen, he takes a slow sip of his coffee before remarking,

“Are you still trying this?”

The sitting man presses a few more keys, eliciting beeps and whirs from the machine as its screen flashes. The standing man presses him a bit further,

“But how do you know that it works?”

The seated man turns his head to look up at his partner, giving him a strange look, before responding,

“I don't know that it works.”

“So you are just trying things?”

“I told you before, there's certain patterns.”

“But it's not geometrical?”

“No, I've been doing it by feel.”

This surprises the newcomer.

“And you think that these feelings can be telepathically referred to?”

“Well, at that point we are discussing the transmission and reception of vibes.”

“And this is a form of communication that will allow knowledge over something that you can't see.”

“Yes”

“And you think that by somehow manipulating things here, by pattern and alignment and balancing, you can change something out there?”

“Yes.”

“But how do you know that you can reach these things, those that are beyond us, and how may you know them through patterns of feeling? How do you know that this isn't some kind of hallucination, a fool's errand! I've looked all around this office space: that cable leads nowhere! It just goes straight into the wall! That computer isn't connected to anything at all!”

“I told you already, I don't know for sure.”
 

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Your writing style was matter of fact, then it switches to some speculative tone abruptly, just say hes wearing a similar uniform, and that hes a colleague.

this seems like a rebuttal to the person sitting, but that person hasnt said anything, should probably rephrase this into a starting question for the string of queries rather than a rebuttal.

this seems like you want to poke at the nature of knowing things, what it means to be certain, and the foundation of how we build proofs (theres a poke at the whole idea of all things being a hallucination, something something brain in a jar), but to push the ball forward here you need to make a reason to motivate the man who thinks hes doing something productive, maybe have him respond about the nature of observation to form arguments that make proofs, and that maybe things we cant observe may be true and repeatable (IE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_completeness_theorem. or rather, its incompleteness...)

regardless, good luck on your endeavors.
I appreciate your response, thanks.
 
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