Incels.is (Previously known as /r/incels) - Subreddit's banned, entitled Manchildren whine about why they can't get laid.

[joshharlow12]

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Oh man I can't imagine why this guy struggles with women.

 

[brentkanaris]

My point is that some guys just aren't good enough in some way to make the cut. If that's you, fucking own it. Maybe "it just happens" for some people but there are a lot of guys who seriously have no clue what they're doing or what women actually want. Or they want to date/have sex/etc. and just have really rotten luck.

And sometimes your options are so awful that it's better to remain a loner. People are afraid of being alone for their entire lives and sometimes that leads to them shacking up with people who aren't necessarily good for them, mutual desperation is not something to build any kind of relationship or have sex on.

The problem with incels is not that they are undateable and irredeemable piles of human manure, it's that they refuse to accept reality and blame women for everything wrong in their lives. Yeah, so Stacy doesn't want to suck on your two inch man-clit. So what? It's their sense of entitlement that's their biggest problem, even if bad looks and having no job/living with parents at 30 are factors.

Your options depend on your situation, to be honest. Let's face it, an autistic manchild is somewhat unlikely to be having the same options as a multimillionaire athlete. I'm sure it's possible to get dates and sex outside of relationships, after all, that's why Tinder exists.

I'm sure the cat ladies of the world have better options than the office nerd, besides, dating co-workers sounds like a very good way to get sacked. I had a guy that tried to do that at a previous job of mine but he was a creep anyway.

You can argue weight and looks all day, different strokes for different folks and all. But there are certain types that nobody wants.

As far as being single goes you gotta make peace with it whether or not you want to. I know that casual sex exists but it's not for everyone. Either way it's probably good to take up something that is not related to dating or sex, literally any other interest is good to have. It might not get you laid but at least you have more to live for. Having an interest in weightlifting or anime or whatever will at least make you feel better if nothing else.

I'm not for sure if a man must fit certain criteria or not for women to want to date them, but honestly some traits are better than others. Society needs to stop lying to undesirable men and telling them they have a chance at all.

If this is the outlook that should be given to such men, no wonder the incel thing exists. This is let them eat cake tier opinions.

You can make the argument that some guys who don't even try to be desirable shouldn't complain. But don't act like there isn't a breakdown of dating and a rise of single sexless men through no fault of their own.

But hey be lonely bro. Eat the cake.

 

[Duke Nukem]

If this is the outlook that should be given to such men, no wonder the incel thing exists. This is let them eat cake tier opinions.

You can make the argument that some guys who don't even try to be desirable shouldn't complain. But don't act like there isn't a breakdown of dating and a rise of single sexless men through no fault of their own.

But hey be lonely bro. Eat the cake.

Incels don't deserve sympathy, or cake. Sure some of them can't help it because of autism or something but honestly the point I'm trying to make here is that maybe some of these people should consider activities that aren't related to girlfriends, sex, or porn. I dunno, maybe enroll in karate or take a pottery class or something. Yeah sure, women might not be interested in you still and might in fact find you repulsive if they don't find your interests engaging, So fucking what. Maybe you're going after the wrong women (or men if that's your thing, I'm sure gay incels are a thing) or it's not the right time for you, or something. Besides, what are you gonna do, bring her to your mom's basement and show her your collection of Star Trek action figures? Or drag her to one of your gay ass larping sessions with your loser friends in the city park?

Some guys just aren't desirable no matter what they do. It's just that most of them are too damn stupid to take a hint and realize that no girls would ever find them attractive in any way. If you've been trying to get laid or desire a girlfriend but never seem to be successful with women, get a clue. There's probably something wrong with you.

Why do incels revolve their entire life over losing their virginity? They never take the time and appreciate the non sexual aspects of dealing with women.

It's one of those TV/pop culture tropes that refuses to die. It's like those stupid teen comedies where the nerdy kid is trying to lose his virginity before high school ends or whatever. Except that real life is nothing like those movies so naturally they fail to understand.

Oh man I can't imagine why this guy struggles with women.

He could be just making it up for sympathy and upvotes, but shitting in your underwear Chris-Chan style will no doubt get you all the chicks.

 

[Everything Beagle]

I feel bad for incels. (PL) When I read their posts in various places, they just bleed depression - the belief that things will never change, that there's no point doing anything because it won't work - I recognize it from my own life. Depression lies and tries to ruin your life. You get stuck. I know everyone is going to pile on about it being unrealistic or whatever, but get treatment. It works.

I'm also amazed when incels post their pictures and say they're incurably ugly - and they're usually fairly decent looking! Not male models, not rock stars, but perfectly fine normal guys. I've dated worse.

The best date I ever had was five foot zero tall. He was hilarious and confident. He was a total geek with a very nerdy hobby. Ever girl I knew wanted him because he was amazing. He wasn't great looking, but he dressed well, was always clean and fresh, and in fairly decent shape (but not a gym guy).

 

[Mr Snek]

You are completely missing the point. I'm not even specifically talking about incels as it relates to the subculture. And again you are peddling this deterministic "let them eat cake" bullshit because "hurr durr some of you guys are just ugly, get used to it".

But that's the reality of life though, some people are ugly, some people are stupid, or autistic or psychological unstable. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that, you've just gotta deal with it and make the most of the shitty hand life has dealt you, or give up and hope whatever comes after you die is better.

 

[brentkanaris]

But that's the reality of life though, some people are ugly, some people are stupid, or autistic or psychological unstable. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that, you've just gotta deal with it and make the most of the shitty hand life has dealt you, or give up and hope whatever comes after you die is better.

Doesn't mean society have to make life harder for these people.

 

[Mr Snek]

Doesn't mean society have to make life harder for these people.

Society is always gonna make life harder on someone, I could go into depth talking about peoples desire to blame and mock others but that'd take too long. All that really matters is that society is unfair. It's not a nice thing to accept but at some point you have to.

 

[Cryonic Haunted Bullets]

Maybe you're going after the wrong women (or men if that's your thing, I'm sure gay incels are a thing)

One of their most persistent and lulzworthy debates is whether the gaycels should be accepted into the larger incel community, or even recognized as a phenomenon. Looksmaxxers generally approve of them because they give decent fashion advice; but the more bitter truecels, bucket crabs that they are, get resentful at how much easier it is to pound man-ass than slay pussy.

 

[Duke Nukem]

One of their most persistent and lulzworthy debates is whether the gaycels should be accepted into the larger incel community, or even recognized as a phenomenon. Looksmaxxers generally approve of them because they give decent fashion advice; but the more bitter truecels, bucket crabs that they are, get resentful at how much easier it is to pound man-ass than slay pussy.

Well how would they know it's easier if they never tried, hmmm? Maybe they should try it. If they're failures with women then maybe they should try going for men instead.

You are completely missing the point. I'm not even specifically talking about incels as it relates to the subculture. And again you are peddling this deterministic "let them eat cake" bullshit because "hurr durr some of you guys are just ugly, get used to it".

Boo hoo life isn't fair because no girls are attracted to me, guess I'll become the next Elliot Rodger. Some people are ugly and have shit personalities, and shit hobbies to boot. Or maybe you're just "not their type." Certain types of guys are generally a no-go.

I feel bad for incels. (PL) When I read their posts in various places, they just bleed depression - the belief that things will never change, that there's no point doing anything because it won't work - I recognize it from my own life. Depression lies and tries to ruin your life. You get stuck. I know everyone is going to pile on about it being unrealistic or whatever, but get treatment. It works.

I'm also amazed when incels post their pictures and say they're incurably ugly - and they're usually fairly decent looking! Not male models, not rock stars, but perfectly fine normal guys. I've dated worse.

The best date I ever had was five foot zero tall. He was hilarious and confident. He was a total geek with a very nerdy hobby. Ever girl I knew wanted him because he was amazing. He wasn't great looking, but he dressed well, was always clean and fresh, and in fairly decent shape (but not a gym guy).

Honestly he's probably a rare case, most women shun guys below average height and probably wouldn't want those interests anywhere near them. But if he's so incredibly disadvantaged and still manages to get laid at least occasionally well that is impressive.

 

[believe all women]

 

[Wormy]

Doesn't mean society have to make life harder for these people.

It's not on society for Incels to start learning the difference between the real world and romantic comedies/teen flicks.

>looks at self
>Looks at post
If you guys say so...

 

[brentkanaris]

It's not on society for Incels to start learning the difference between the real world and romantic comedies/teen flicks.

I wasn't even talking specifically about incels but ok.

How about this, do you guys believe that finding relationships, especially for men has become more difficult? Why or why not?

 

[Everything Beagle]

Honestly he's probably a rare case, most women shun guys below average height and probably wouldn't want those interests anywhere near them. But if he's so incredibly disadvantaged and still manages to get laid at least occasionally well that is impressive.

Last I heard he was in great demand. Of course, most of my female friends are pretty nerdy so he fit in well.

 

[Mr Snek]

I wasn't even talking specifically about incels but ok.

How about this, do you guys believe that finding relationships, especially for men has become more difficult? Why or why not?

Certainly, I can attest to that myself. If I had to guess I'd say it's because of the internet and modern technology giving people, especially nerdy people hobbies that prevent them from forming natural social circles. Think about it, 50 years ago a nerdy guy would still go out to libraries and tabletop groups. 25 years ago they'd go to arcades, 20 years ago there would still be LAN parties. Nowdays you can sit on your ass and work a job, talk to people and maintain hobbies without leaving your bedroom.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Last I heard he was in great demand. Of course, most of my female friends are pretty nerdy so he fit in well.

Interesting, well I suppose it depends on which nerd hobbies you have, naturally having a LARP group meet up in a city park is going to net you more chances to get some than being a shut-in with an MMORPG addiction. Even tabletop wargaming people actually go out to meet other players but that stuff's expensive. Plus I dunno how the gender ratios are nowadays, but it seemed that boys outnumbered girls quite a bit in the groups I saw. Maybe things are a little different now.

I still have a hard time imagining a scenario where my Chaos Space Marine legion would get me laid, though.

Certainly, I can attest to that myself. If I had to guess I'd say it's because of the internet and modern technology giving people, especially nerdy people hobbies that prevent them from forming natural social circles. Think about it, 50 years ago a nerdy guy would still go out to libraries and tabletop groups. 25 years ago they'd go to arcades, 20 years ago there would still be LAN parties. Nowdays you can sit on your ass and work a job, talk to people and maintain hobbies without leaving your bedroom.

After console gaming got internet it definitely made it far easier to be a shut-in. I miss LAN parties, sadly we'll never recapture that kind of magic ever again.

Honestly, in many situations, social circles are becoming obsolete.

 

[Wormy]

I wasn't even talking specifically about incels but ok.

How about this, do you guys believe that finding relationships, especially for men has become more difficult? Why or why not?

Yes, but it's become more difficult for everyone if you're not loaded with money.

 

[jenstark101]

The founder of this site (Diego Joaquín Galante according to NYTimes), along with his (former?) suicide site are now under an open Uruguayan government criminal investigation started by the 11th Montevideo prosecutor. The piece also mentions his co-founder in USA (Lamarcus), but given he's not in Uruguay it's not clear if he's under as much scrutiny (in Uruguay). Earlier news pieces linked earlier claimed Diego had eyes on him from Uruguayan Interpol.

Fiscalía investigará a uruguayo presuntamente vinculado a web que promociona el suicidio

Se presume que el joven de 29 años dirige la organización desde Montevideo. El sitio está siendo investigado por Interpol.

montevideo.com.uy

The Uruguay investigation hinges on a suicide facilitation law in Uruguay. The government noted it's a tough case as it is about old potential cybercrime, and the relevant law is vague

artículo 315 del Código Penal, el texto establece: “El que determinare a otro al suicidio o le ayudare a cometerlo, si ocurriere la muerte, será castigado con seis meses de prisión a seis años de penitenciaría”.

There are upcoming congressional briefings on the matter, which seem to involve concered parent/s and tech companies. This news piece mentions Congress is pushing a federal investigation into the matter.

Congress will investigate website parents say encourages suicide

SAN ANTONIO – A suicide website the News 4 Trouble Shooters exposed last year has finally reached the attention of Congress, which is now organizing a federal investigation. (Warning: this story could be disturbing or even triggering for some readers. ) In February 2021, the Trouble Shooters put...

foxsanantonio.com

Many more news articles and congressional documents have come out since the first expose. They also list the names of the founders, as well as the updating story.

This just all seems to be a run-up to a Section 230 reform push, but I could be wrong.

 

[OhJason]

 

[JaneThough]

I wasn't even talking specifically about incels but ok.

How about this, do you guys believe that finding relationships, especially for men has become more difficult? Why or why not?

Finding relationships has become more difficult for EVERYONE, not just men. Get out of your hugbox and talk to a woman and you might get a date.

 

[brentkanaris]

Finding relationships has become more difficult for EVERYONE, not just men. Get out of your hugbox and talk to a woman and you might get a date.

It's like you are contradicting yourself and avoiding the question as well.