Imperial Japan Thread - Were they really that bad?

[Alex Hogendorp]

Like with Holocaust Revisionism, I often come across revisionism for Imperial Japan especially on the topics of Unit 731 (A water treatment facility that allegedly experiments on humans) and the Nanjing Massacre (An invasion where 300,000 people allegedly died in the Second Sino-Japanese War). If Anything most people may of heard of these subjects from YouTube videos or films such as Men Behind The Sun. The Politically Correct Chinese narrative on the Japanese has been followed upon by the masses including those in the west however a lot of Japanese people have been fighting this narrative bringing their side of the story. The narrative of those counteracting the Politically Correct Chinese narrative is one in which human experiments didn't happen at Unit 731, Chinese POW's were actually treated much better at Japanese prison camps than anywhere else and that the Nanjing Massacre was nothing of that of the Chinese Narrative. It's also to note China was an ally in World War II so the west would be following their narrative as a result of their Denazification program where anything that is in the Axis is considered irredeemable by them. So this is a thread regarding revisionism for Imperial Japan.

Metapedia articles questioning the claims used against Imperial Japan.
Metapedia Article on the Nanjing Massacre
Metapedia Article on Unit 731

 

[Shamefur Dispray]

Ahaio muh 6 mirrion. Harmress Nippon never did nothing wrong. Brame Chinese dogs they trury terribre virrains. Banzai!

 

[potato in mah painus]

however a lot of Japanese people have been fighting this narrative bringing their side of the story

In the spirit of the holocaust debate thread, I ask that you provide examples and sources as starting points. Since this is something so rarely debated not many of us here are going to know much about the topic or know where to start.

 

[Onni Kalsarikännit]

So this is a thread regarding revisionism for Imperial Japan.

There is no revisionism bc these things never happened and if they did they deserved it.

 

[NaggotFigger]

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

idk jews on tee vee never told me to care about japanese war crimes like they did the holobunga so it doesn't evoke much from me.

 

[The Luigi Player]

Mario was a kamikaze, attacked the chinese.

 

[millais]

Regardless of your opinion on whether it was a net positive for the world that they killed so many Chinese, I think it's not as defensible to say that they did nothing wrong when it came to their treatment of European and American civilians in the Pacific War.

The Japs executed en masse the European civilians in French Indochina, Dutch East Indies, British Malaya/Singapore/Hong Kong, and American Philippines.

This completely destabilized and dismantled the European colonial administrations in Indochina and the East Indies, which hurt the Western bloc in the post-war era.

I think the Japs were in the wrong in their failure to observe the Geneva Convention in their treatment of Allied POWs, but since they never ratified that treaty, I guess there is some leeway to argue that they did not have to follow those rules.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

Historical revisionism is claiming that American rule over Okinawa was all evil because the US Military decided to hoard all the water in Okinawa during the 50’s and people suffered crop failures and even going thirsty as a result.

Or the claim the Americans and the British/Australians killed and raped 30% to 40% of the Okinawa.

Seriously it’s too ridiculous. Why the heck would the Americans do that? They’re good lmao.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Let's ask the people of Nanking how bad the Japs were.

 

[The Hardest R]

Let's ask the people of Nanking how bad the Japs were.

The youngest one who would be alive then is 79. Not too many of them left to ask.

What the Grorious Nippon did to China was child’s play compared to what Maoism did just a few years later. Chinks getting pissy about atrocities rings hollow when they have statues and portraits of Mao everywhere, even now.

 

[水族館]

OP, if you're wanting sources of Japanese revisionism then you can easily find it by visiting and staying at almost any of the APA hotels in Japan. In the rooms they've got some free literature, both in English and Japanese, describing how Japan did nothing wrong during WWII and how current narratives are politically driven to hurt the Japanese image. Relatively dry reads, but somewhat funny for the fact that they're the Japanese equivalent of the hotel Bible.

For some insight into what was happening during Imperial Japan, there's an excellent manga simple titled "Showa" by Shigeru Mizuki, a man who served in the military and lost an arm during the war. It details his growing up, serving in the military, and effects of losing the war on the rest of his life through 1989, when the Showa era ended. I admit, I'm a little unclear exactly what you're looking for, but the hotel pamphlets are interesting enough to bring up should anyone want to seek out and read them.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Their only mistake was fucking with us, otherwise they were cool, but they just had to go and get put down like dogs.

 

[ZeCommissar]

I have no doubt in my mind that the Imperial Japanese military was as barbaric as what current history tells us. Now did the Chinese perhaps fib some numbers and over exaggerate a few things? Probably, I mean its the Chinese we're talking about here. Do I have any doubts that Japanese soldiers raped, killed, and committed other grievous atrocities over China, and the other peoples of Asia? No. Was it all of them? Well no it wasn't, but it was a significant enough portion that cannot be ignored. Same way that not every Soviet soldier was a rapist yet that didn't stop 100,000+ women in Berlin from being raped.

Why do I believe this? State Shintoism is a different animal. It is probably the closest thing in real human history to the fanaticism of 40k if you want to get autistic with it. I mean you literally have motherfuckers running around screaming "For The Emperor!" as they try to stab you to death in the name of a man that they believe to be their God. Soldiers that were expected to kill themselves instead of even entertaining the idea of surrender.

I'm honestly struggling to think of another nation on Earth that was able to make a military as willing to die as the Japanese did. There were Junior officers who tried to kidnap the emperor once they learned of a possible surrender because they were that fanatical in fighting till the bitter end despite atomic bombs, mass starvation, and soviets literally just walking through Manchuria.

With mindsets like that I can see how easy it would be for them to commit atrocities. The Japanese military of that time requested complete obedience. If your officer ordered you to kill civillians you're doing it no questions asked.
There's a reason the Allies pretty much banned State Shintoism almost immediately after occupation started.

Finally as @millais pointed out the Japanese weren't too kind to the captured European civillians in those nations. The Europeans in those areas did report on the many Japanese crimes that occured and it wasn't just the Chinese.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

What the Grorious Nippon did to China was child’s play compared to what Maoism did just a few years later. Chinks getting pissy about atrocities rings hollow when they have statues and portraits of Mao everywhere, even now.

I agree. But this thread is about Imperial Japan, not the glorious People's Republic of China.

 

[FamicomGorby]

I think Japanese revisionism is interesting since the vast majority of the Japanese population is in favor of maintaining the country's pacifism. Though it's waned a bit recently, the Japanese people just do not want to expand the armed forces or amend the constitution so Japanese troops could actually shoot at something when on a foreign deployment. Still despite that there's at least a cultural acceptance of either ignoring or straight up rewriting history. Ya go to any museum in Japan they'll barely mention Japanese war crimes and the Hiroshima memorial paints the US as evil cause the Japanese were totally gonna surrender soon or some shit.

 

[Irredemable Retardation]

The difference between Imperial Japan and NS Germany was that NS Germany would do show trials and send the individuals to gas chambers out of a twisted "humanity" while Japan would not give a shit and behead the prisoners instantly with katanas.

 

[The Reluctant Sneeder]

Regardless of your opinion on whether it was a net positive for the world that they killed so many Chinese, I think it's not as defensible to say that they did nothing wrong when it came to their treatment of European and American civilians in the Pacific War.

The Japs executed en masse the European civilians in French Indochina, Dutch East Indies, British Malaya/Singapore/Hong Kong, and American Philippines.

This completely destabilized and dismantled the European colonial administrations in Indochina and the East Indies, which hurt the Western bloc in the post-war era.

I think the Japs were in the wrong in their failure to observe the Geneva Convention in their treatment of Allied POWs, but since they never ratified that treaty, I guess there is some leeway to argue that they did not have to follow those rules.

agreed. nothing wrong at all about killing Chinese "people" but the white man deserves better treatment than that.

 

[Father Fornicatio]

agreed. nothing wrong at all about killing Chinese "people" but the white man deserves better treatment than that.

Well they had a bit of a superiority complex and believed that when they act like insane mass murderers, no one would dare to attack them. And Hirohito was a bit of a pussy, trying to be friends with all and such(the Asian version of Chamberlain) so he let the army roam loose.

I believe this all could be prevented when the USA just had Japan given access to resources like they requested. But uncle Sam to this day is terrified of any competition and fucked it up royally with the lives of many white man lost. And history is written by the victors so like the evil mustache man, slanted eyed yellow man was also deemed a demon to eradicate. Now all the Nippon casualty's have reincarnated as Mangakas and turning our youths in suicidal trannies.

Edit: on a serious note Japan has a problem with saving face, and that was so bad during that time that when a father would be rejected in the military, chance was that the next day the entire famiri had committed Harakiri. So entire regiments high on heroine were glad to sacrifice themselves for the grorious empire and bring honour to famiri. Or they were glad to just end the suffering since many soldier had to eat grass to get some food, since supply lines were so thin, a punctured tire could mean the difference between life and starvation.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

I think Japanese revisionism is interesting since the vast majority of the Japanese population is in favor of maintaining the country's pacifism. Though it's waned a bit recently, the Japanese people just do not want to expand the armed forces or amend the constitution so Japanese troops could actually shoot at something when on a foreign deployment. Still despite that there's at least a cultural acceptance of either ignoring or straight up rewriting history. Ya go to any museum in Japan they'll barely mention Japanese war crimes and the Hiroshima memorial paints the US as evil cause the Japanese were totally gonna surrender soon or some shit.

I've actually been to Hiroshima and it's memorial including the museum nearby. Very powerful at evoking my emotions too imagining all these people who died under the blast.