Immigration

[Holdek]

I think most people in this thread are conflating superficial differences with fundamentally incompatible differences. When you talk about ghettos that resemble shithole muslim countries, I think that 99% of what you're talking about is superficial. The 1% remaining is already handled by law enforcement and the justice system.

If we talk about italian neighborhoods or greek neighborhoods, the conversation changes dramatically. Sometimes people justify it by saying "well, they're western countries / they share our values / islam is incompatible with democracy / etc..." I think that's entirely bunk as far as your average voter should be concerned. You might as well be telling me about how the papists are incapable of legally swearing allegiance.

I wouldn't say arrogant. But I bet most of the time, when people have detailed expectations for immigrants, those expectations are fucking stupid. And at that point, I don't really care that much.

Some reasonable expectations are: be polite, pay your taxes and tip your waiter. Outside of things like that, in an immigrant country like the US, no one should give a shit.

Yeah, but for example, in the UK, Pakistanis marrying their cousins is a purely cultural thing. It creates huge issues for the public health system that has to take care of the retarded and deformed inbred offspring of these marriages, and it's fucked up morally that these immigrant communities burden their spawn with genetic defects. On top of that they resist efforts by the predominant culture to get them to stop.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, but for example, in the UK, Pakistanis marrying their cousins is a purely cultural thing. It creates huge issues for the public health system that has to take care of the exceptional and deformed inbred offspring of these marriages, and it's fucked up morally that these immigrant communities burden their spawn with genetic defects. On top of that they resist efforts by the predominant culture to get them to stop.

I guess that's a problem? I don't know the UK that well.

In the US, when inbreeding is a problem, it's almost never a result of someone actually breaking the law. It's usually just a result of poor genetic diversity among certain groups.

 

[Carlos Thin]

Seeing as I'm basically an immigrant to this country, my opinion may be moot, but I find that 90% of immigrants to Ireland are easier to live with than the Irish. #jihadiInfidel #AbsalomMilenko

Wait, I may lower that to 80%, I forgot about the Indians.

 

[Joan Nyan]

Random idea I just had, since a lot of people seem to agree that immigration is good as long as they're vetted thoroughly and as long as they contribute to the economy, maybe we should be testing potential immigrants' IQ and judging based on that. There's no way to do background checks on Syrian refugees, for instance, but if we only let in migrants with 115+ IQ, we can keep the numbers low and know that whoever we do let in will probably contribute to the economy.

 

[Thespy]

I don't know if it's been stated already, but most Muslim immigrants flooding into the EU are not from war-torn countries like Syria and Iraq. Most of them are coming from Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, a few from Central Asia, and North Africa. Actually, the huge bulk of immigrants in the EU are Maghrebs and they are probably the worst of the bunch. People from Morroco, Tunisa, Algeria are the most common rabble-rousers; they commit the most crimes in Europe.

But yeah, I think immigration is sometimes good and sometimes bad. I think America should bar Filipino immigration to the U.S. though. Most Filipino immigrants are Filipinas who prey on yellow-fever stricken white dudes who had to settle for less.

 

[Linako 2.0]

But yeah, I think immigration is sometimes good and sometimes bad. I think America should bar Filipino immigration to the U.S. though. Most Filipino immigrants are Filipinas who prey on yellow-fever stricken white dudes who had to settle for less.

Because of phillipinos we have such great cartoons like The Nutshack.

 

[Ebola]

Let's just let in redpilled Europeans. No one else allowed.

 

[John Titor]

I see being a citizen as being at a bar. Behave and follow the rules or else the bouncer throws you out.

I got a bunch of things to say about immigration but I think I should organize my thoughts before typing them down.

 

[skaytec]

When in Rome do as the Romans do, that kind of express what I think about immigration.
In my country many people come in and one of the most troublesome persons (who are not kebabs) are english or nothern europeans teenagers who come here in order to party hard, do balconing and making a mess. A stormfag would say that we should welcome them with open arms because they are white yadda yadda, but in the end of the day they are not any better than their despised refugees.
I think that any country should have the right to pick rightly their immigrants, it's not a race issue but one about individuals, a blue eyed blonde haired scandinavian immigrant who come here just to drink and being obnoxious it's not automatically better than some nigerian engineer, for giving an example.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

What's the point of allowing immigrants in a country? From what I gather, the only advantage to accepting anyone who is less than a rocket scientist is short term cheap labor. Am I missing something or is encouraging immigration just the result of capitalists trying to make a buck since slavery has been abolished?

Illegals in particular can be paid dirt cheap. They just seem like modern America's slave class, no?

 

[дядя Боря]

Random idea I just had, since a lot of people seem to agree that immigration is good as long as they're vetted thoroughly and as long as they contribute to the economy, maybe we should be testing potential immigrants' IQ and judging based on that. There's no way to do background checks on Syrian refugees, for instance, but if we only let in migrants with 115+ IQ, we can keep the numbers low and know that whoever we do let in will probably contribute to the economy.

believe it or not, that was the case 30 years ago. Even if you had legit case for political asylum (legit fear of death or imprisonment) you still had to go full medical, TB, AIDS, mental illness in the family, not a member of commie party. Things have changed dramatically in the last 30 years. Back then, there were shitload of people ready to immigrate from the countries of former Soviet Union and it was practically impossible in most countries that are now gulping people off the boats. There were no shortage of legitimate refugees back then, but somehow immigration was clamped down on.

What's the point of allowing immigrants in a country? From what I gather, the only advantage to accepting anyone who is less than a rocket scientist is short term cheap labor. Am I missing something or is encouraging immigration just the result of capitalists trying to make a buck since slavery has been abolished?

I'd differentiate from plain immigrants to economic refugees to refugees for political reasons. Former are like rats, abundant and will go where there are breadcrumbs. Latter tend to be more conservative than most Americans, because they stood up to persecution, suffered and came to US seeking freedom. I actually knew a guy whose parents off the boat literally named him that: "Freedom". It's not a hollow word, it means something that most Americans born in the states forgot.

 

[gasthekikes1488]

There is no single solution.
A fundamentalist Muhammadan takeover is the only hope left for both Europe and the world, so it must be welcomed, encouraged and accelerated by all means available. The only reason anyone at all opposes it in 2020 is because Muhammadanism is the last ideology that is genuinely conservative and anti-kike, everything else is a see-through figleaf excuse. Other types of immigration may be less desirable.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

I'd differentiate from plain immigrants to economic refugees to refugees for political reasons. Former are like rats, abundant and will go where there are breadcrumbs. Latter tend to be more conservative than most Americans, because they stood up to persecution, suffered and came to US seeking freedom. I actually knew a guy whose parents off the boat literally named him that: "Freedom". It's not a hollow word, it means something that most Americans born in the states forgot.

But muslim refugees cause a ton of trouble in Europe. There's no-go zones and rape gangs.

 

[gasthekikes1488]

But muslim refugees cause a ton of trouble in Europe. There's no-go zones and rape gangs.

Why don’t you mention the real reason you have a problem with them, their ensuing power grab? They will take away all of your kike liberal reeedumbs and made-up laws. They will abolish demoncracy and remove subhuman yids from all positions of power. You are uneasy about that because you are to the far left of Karl Marx and love your kike demoncracy and decadent libertine freeedumbs, like commiting sodomy and blaspheming Christ.

 

[дядя Боря]

But muslim refugees cause a ton of trouble in Europe. There's no-go zones and rape gangs.

muslim "refugees" would never clear refugee bar from 30 years back. And I am talking about small percentage of those people, most of whom are just riding the wave for free shit. They are economic rats that come for free shit and as soon as Europe turns into a wasteland and there is another succulent morsel elsewhere, they'll move there, but that won't happen because you still going to have few productive wage slaves who will be trying to support all those leaches for decades to come and nothing better will rise from afrika or parts of south america or other shitholes.

There is no single solution.
A fundamentalist Muhammadan takeover is the only hope left for both Europe and the world, so it must be welcomed, encouraged and accelerated by all means available. The only reason anyone at all opposes it in 2020 is because Muhammadanism is the last ideology that is genuinely conservative and anti-kike, everything else is a see-through figleaf excuse. Other types of immigration may be less desirable.

What are you "hoping" to accomplish by moslem infestation?

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

muslim "refugees" would never clear refugee bar from 30 years back. And I am talking about small percentage of those people, most of whom are just riding the wave for free shit. They are economic rats that come for free shit and as soon as Europe turns into a wasteland and there is another succulent morsel elsewhere, they'll move there, but that won't happen because you still going to have few productive wage slaves who will be trying to support all those leaches for decades to come and nothing better will rise from afrika or parts of south america or other shitholes.

I guess some carefully selected refugees could be alright. But then again, carefully selected economic migrants would probably be alright too. The biggest problem is that many Western countries aren't vetting their immigrants properly and they let people from hostile countries like China move in.

Are there any statistics backing up how well old school refugees assimilated?

Why don’t you mention the real reason you have a problem with them, their ensuing power grab? They will take away all of your kike liberal reeedumbs and made-up laws. They will abolish demoncracy and remove subhuman yids from all positions of power. You are uneasy about that because you are to the far left of Karl Marx and love your kike demoncracy and decadent libertine freeedumbs, like commiting sodomy and blaspheming Christ.

Your trolling skills need honing lol.

 

[дядя Боря]

Are there any statistics backing up how well old school refugees assimilated?

it depends on what you mean by "well", there are many aspects, like measuring "success in life", it's a complicated topic.

There are graphs on how many refugees are on welfare, it's pretty high, it was floating around somewhere. Most are on welfare for at least short period of time because when you get to the country with literally shirt on your back and empty pocket, getting a job still takes a week or two at the fastest.

I can offer my own, extensive but yet anecdotal observations about "success". For older people it's pretty hard to adapt and learn culture/laws. It also depends heavily if person arrives into a big city where there is an ethnic community. That's the worst scenario because most communities give absolutely no reason to learn English or culture. If refugees arrives into some bumpfuck place, adaptation is pretty rapid, but it hurts like mofo because there is no one to talk to in your language (at least in pre-internet days), depression, alienation etc. but in the end people have to adapt and learn.

First gens is a 50/50, it depends what parents speak at home and I've seen kids lag in language skills because they speak native lang at home. Discipline is usually pretty good though.

A lot of refugees do well not for some freedomic reasons but because threshold of pain is very low and consumerism is low as well, plus a lot emphasis is placed on discipline and traditional values like education (speaking for Eastern Euro xpats, 3rd world trash isn't buying books).

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

America was founded on immigration. We are the world's melting pot. Not being okay with immigration is being not American.

Illegal immigration I get the hate for, but legal immigration should be made easier and make penalties for hiring illegals very harsh. That way, there is no incentive to hire illegals, no incentive for them to come here (if they can't find work) and then there is no demand for trafficking in illegals.

it depends on what you mean by "well", there are many aspects, like measuring "success in life", it's a complicated topic.

There are graphs on how many refugees are on welfare, it's pretty high, it was floating around somewhere. Most are on welfare for at least short period of time because when you get to the country with literally shirt on your back and empty pocket, getting a job still takes a week or two at the fastest.

I can offer my own, extensive but yet anecdotal observations about "success". For older people it's pretty hard to adapt and learn culture/laws. It also depends heavily if person arrives into a big city where there is an ethnic community. That's the worst scenario because most communities give absolutely no reason to learn English or culture. If refugees arrives into some bumpfuck place, adaptation is pretty rapid, but it hurts like mofo because there is no one to talk to in your language (at least in pre-internet days), depression, alienation etc. but in the end people have to adapt and learn.

First gens is a 50/50, it depends what parents speak at home and I've seen kids lag in language skills because they speak native lang at home. Discipline is usually pretty good though.

A lot of refugees do well not for some freedomic reasons but because threshold of pain is very low and consumerism is low as well, plus a lot emphasis is placed on discipline and traditional values like education (speaking for Eastern Euro xpats, 3rd world trash isn't buying books).

The first generation typically has it pretty rough here, but second and third generation usually does a lot better.

My own personal anecdote: I have a friend who is second generation (her parents were war refugees). Her parents don't speak English (her dad works fulltime in a factory), but she speaks both her parents language and her English is perfect. She and her sisters all have graduated from college and have white collar jobs and are doing well. Her nieces are all learning English more than their native language.

 

[Slap47]

But muslim refugees cause a ton of trouble in Europe. There's no-go zones and rape gangs.

Europe has a problem with integrating any group. America and Russia don't really have gypsy problems... mostly because these cultures encourage integration by being individualistic societies that don't go out of their way to respect ghetto'ized groups.

The US needs immigration to sustain its healthcare system and scientific supremacy. America's pro-strat is stealing the middle class of the world for its own benefit.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

With automation right around the corner, letting in masses of people that would generally fill the low-skill roles that are going to be automated first is an insanely short-sighted idea. Especially considering the fact that the only real tangible benefit is that the upper classes get an overabundance of labour that they can use to drive down working conditions and wages, because there'll always be someone desperate enough to work even the shittiest jobs if there's nowhere else to go. So they can earn even more money that they can hoard and use to increase wealth inequality even more!