War IDF Ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7 to Prevent Hamas Taking Soldiers Captive - "b-but muh hostages!"

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Gaza Division operations and airstrikes in the first hours of October 7 were based on limited information. The first long moments after the Hamas attack was launched were chaotic. Reports were coming in, with their significance not always clear. When their meaning was understood, it was realized that something horrific had taken place.

Communication networks could not keep up with the flow of information, as was the case for soldiers sending these reports. However, the message conveyed at 11:22 A.M. across the Gaza Division network was understood by everyone. "Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza" was the order.

At this point, the IDF was not aware of the extent of kidnapping along the Gaza border, but it did know that many people were involved. Thus, it was entirely clear what that message meant, and what the fate of some of the kidnapped people would be.

This was not the first order given by the division with the intent of foiling kidnapping even at the expense of the lives of the kidnapped, a procedure known in the army as the "Hannibal procedure."

Documents obtained by Haaretz, as well as testimonies of soldiers, mid-level and senior IDF officers, reveal a host of orders and procedures laid down by the Gaza Division, Southern Command and the IDF General Staff up to the afternoon hours of that day, showing how widespread this procedure was, from the first hours following the attack and at various points along the border.

Haaretz does not know whether or how many civilians and soldiers were hit due to these procedures, but the cumulative data indicates that many of the kidnapped people were at risk, exposed to Israeli gunfire, even if they were not the target.

At 6:43 A.M., at which time rocket barrages were launched at Israel and thousands of Hamas operatives were attacking army strongholds and the division's observation and communications capabilities, the division's commander Brig. Gen. Avi Rosenfeld declared that "the Philistines have invaded."

This is the procedure when an enemy invades Israeli territory, upon which a division commander can assume extraordinary authority, including the employment of heavy fire inside Israeli territory, in order to block an enemy raid.

A very senior IDF source confirmed to Haaretz that the Hannibal procedure was employed on October 7, adding that this was not used by the divisional commander. Who did give the order? This, said the source, will perhaps be established by post-war investigations.

In any case, says a defense official who is familiar with the October 7 operations at the Gaza Division, in the morning hours "no one knew what was going on outside." He says that Rosenfeld was in the war room, not emerging, "while outside a world war was raging."

"Everyone was shocked by the number of terrorists who had penetrated the base. Even in our nightmares, we didn't have plans for such an attack. No one had a clue about the number of people kidnapped or where army forces were. There was crazy hysteria, with decisions made without any verified information," he continued.

One of these decisions was made at 7:18 A.M., when an observation post at the Yiftah outpost reported that someone had been kidnapped at the Erez border crossing, adjacent to the IDF's liaison office. "Hannibal at Erez" came the command from divisional headquarters, "dispatch a Zik." The Zik is an unmanned assault drone, and the meaning of this command was clear.

This wasn't the last time that such an order was heard over the communications network. Over the next half hour, the division realized that Hamas terrorists had managed to kill and abduct soldiers serving at the crossing and at the adjacent base. Then, at 7:41 A.M., it happened again: Hannibal at Erez, an assault on the crossing and the base, just so that no more soldiers be taken. Such commands were given later as well.

The Erez border crossing was not the only place this happened. Information obtained by Haaretz and confirmed by the army shows that throughout that morning, the Hannibal procedure was employed at two other locations penetrated by terrorists: the Re'im army base, where the divisional headquarters were located, and the Nahal Oz outpost in which female spotters were based. This did not prevent the kidnapping of seven of them or the killing of 15 other spotters, as well as 38 other soldiers.

Over the next few hours, division headquarters started putting the pieces of the puzzle together, realizing the extent of the Hamas attack, but missing the invasion of Kibbutz Nir Oz, which the first army forces reached only after the terrorists had left. Regarding the frequency of employing the Hannibal procedure, it seems that nothing changed. Thus, for example, at 10:19 A.M. a report reached divisional headquarters indicating that a Zik had attacked the Re'im base.

Three minutes later, another such report arrived. At that time, Shaldag commando forces were already on the base fighting the terrorists. To this day, it's not clear whether one of them was hurt in the drone attack. What is known is that over the communications network there was a message asking everyone to make sure no soldier was outdoors on the base, since IDF forces were about to enter and drive out or kill remaining terrorists.

The decision to conduct attacks inside outposts, says a senior defense official, will haunt senior commanders all their lives. "Anyone making such a decision knew that our combatants in the area could be hit as well."

But such attacks took place, it turns out, not only inside outposts or bases. At 10:32 A.M., a new order was issued, according to which all battalions in the area were ordered to fire mortars in the direction of the Gaza Strip. Internal discussions in the army noted that this order, attributed to Brig. Gen. Rosenfeld, was heavily criticized, since at that time, the IDF did not have a complete picture of all the forces in the area, including soldiers and civilians. Some of these were in open areas or in woods along the border, trying to hide from the terrorists.

At that point, the army did not know the number of people who had been kidnapped. "We thought they numbered dozens at that stage," a military source told Haaretz. Firing mortars at the Gaza Strip would endanger them as well. Furthermore, another order given at 11:22 A.M., according to which no vehicle would be allowed to return to Gaza, took this a step further.

"Everyone knew by then that such vehicles could be carrying kidnapped civilians or soldiers," a source in Southern Command told Haaretz. "There was no case in which a vehicle carrying kidnapped people was knowingly attacked, but you couldn't really know if there were any such people in a vehicle. I can't say there was a clear instruction, but everyone knew what it meant to not let any vehicles return to Gaza."

A new development occurred at 2:00 P.M. All the forces were instructed not to exit border communities toward the west, in the direction of the border, with an emphasis on not chasing terrorists. At that point, the border area was under intense fire, directed at anyone in that area, making it a danger zone.

"The instruction," says the source in Southern Command, "was meant to turn the area around the border fence into a killing zone, closing it off toward the west."

At 6:40 P.M., military intelligence believed that many terrorists were intending to flee together back to the Gaza Strip, in an organized manner. This was near Kibbutz Be'eri, Kfar Azza and Kissufim. Following this, the army launched artillery raids at the border fence area, very close to some of these communities. Shortly afterwards, shells were fired at the Erez border crossing. The IDF says it is not aware of any civilians being hurt in these bombardments.

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One case in which it is known that civilians were hit, a case that received wide coverage, took place in the house of Pessi Cohen at Kibbutz Be'eri. 14 hostages were held in the house as the IDF attacked it, with 13 of them killed. In the coming weeks, the IDF is expected to publish the results of its investigation of the incident, which will answer the question of whether Brig. Gen. Barak Hiram, the commander of Division 99 who was in charge of operations in Be'eri on October 7, was employing the Hannibal procedure. Did he order the tank to move ahead even at the cost of civilian casualties, as he stated in an interview he gave later to the New York Times?

Over all the months that have passed, the IDF has refused to say whether this procedure was employed against civilians who had been taken hostage. It now seems that even if the answer is positive, the question may have been only a partial one. The actions of Hiram may have simply been congruent with the way the IDF operated that day.

As far as Haaretz knows, even at 9:33 P.M. this was still the situation on the ground. At that time, there was a further order from Southern Command: close off all the border area with tanks. In fact, all forces in the area received permission to open fire at anyone approaching the border area, without any restrictions.

The IDF spokesman responded by saying that "the army has been fighting for six months at high intensity on several fronts, focused on attaining the war's objectives. In tandem, the IDF has begun conducting internal investigations of what transpired on October 7 and the preceding period. The aim of these investigations is to learn and to draw lessons which could be used in continuing the battle. When these investigations are concluded, the results will be presented to the public with transparency."
 
At one time, the Israelis would have simply blown away the fucking ragheads, and if any Jews died too at least they died for their country and people.

The standout thing about October 7 is how timid the Israelis were. New recruits hid under their bunks like scared rabbits where Hamas gunmen liquified them. Civilians hid in back bedrooms that didn't even have locks on the doors-people shoved dressers up against doors and prayed. A lot of times Hamas simply blasted open the doors with simple manual hand grenades. I've only read of a single incident where a single young soldier grabbed an Uzi and started killing some sandniggers. He died but the adjacent kibbutz was saved.

A couple days ago I was heatsick (110 deg F here at the Fort for the past week) and somehow I wound up perusing the Wikipedia article on the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The few Jews who survived said later that the inhabitants of the ghetto had already figured that they were going to be killed by the Nazis, so they decided to go out in a blaze of glory and take as many "krauts" with them as they possibly could. In the end the Germans simply dynamited the entire fucking area while the Jews were firing from nooks in the rubble to finally stop the rebellion. Fast forward 80 years, you have young Jews hiding from the enemy like 2 year olds, and the Jews weren't even trying to kill them. What the fuck happened?
 
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The few Jews who survived said later that the inhabitants of the ghetto had already figured that they were going to be killed by the Nazis, so they decided to go out in a blaze of glory and take as many "krauts" with them as they possibly could. In the end the Germans simply dynamited the entire fucking area while the Jews were firing from nooks in the rubble to finally stop the rebellion. Fast forward 80 years, you have young Jews hiding from the enemy like 2 year olds, and the Jews weren't even trying to kill them. What the fuck happened?
The jews kinda became the Nazis.
 
I can see the strategy of considering people taken hostage as KIA really working out for morale
 
The jews kinda became the Nazis.
If only
At one time, the Israelis would have simply blown away the fucking ragheads, and if any Jews died too at least they died for their country and people.

The standout thing about October 7 is how timid the Israelis were. New recruits hid under their bunks like scared rabbits where Hamas gunmen liquified them. Civilians hid in back bedrooms that didn't even have locks on the doors-people shoved dressers up against doors and prayed. A lot of times Hamas simply blasted open the doors with simple manual hand grenades. I've only read of a single incident where a single young soldier grabbed an Uzi and started killing some sandniggers. He died but the adjacent kibbutz was saved.

A couple days ago I was heatsick (110 deg F here at the Fort for the past week) and somehow I wound up perusing the Wikipedia article on the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The few Jews who survived said later that the inhabitants of the ghetto had already figured that they were going to be killed by the Nazis, so they decided to go out in a blaze of glory and take as many "krauts" with them as they possibly could. In the end the Germans simply dynamited the entire fucking area while the Jews were firing from nooks in the rubble to finally stop the rebellion. Fast forward 80 years, you have young Jews hiding from the enemy like 2 year olds, and the Jews weren't even trying to kill them. What the fuck happened?
Younger Millenials and Gen Z Jews cried, older Millenials and Generation X Jews locked and loaded. There's some crazy stories from the middle aged kibbutz Jews fighting back
 
A couple days ago I was heatsick (110 deg F here at the Fort for the past week) and somehow I wound up perusing the Wikipedia article on the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The few Jews who survived said later that the inhabitants of the ghetto had already figured that they were going to be killed by the Nazis, so they decided to go out in a blaze of glory and take as many "krauts" with them as they possibly could. In the end the Germans simply dynamited the entire fucking area while the Jews were firing from nooks in the rubble to finally stop the rebellion. Fast forward 80 years, you have young Jews hiding from the enemy like 2 year olds, and the Jews weren't even trying to kill them. What the fuck happened?
They became the occupying army of the gaza ghetto and got complacent firing hellfire missiles at 5 year olds, so when they come face to face with an armed militant carrying an AK who will shoot back at them they cry and hide and shit their pants behind their desks at the unit 8200 call center.
Younger Millenials and Gen Z Jews cried, older Millenials and Generation X Jews locked and loaded. There's some crazy stories from the middle aged kibbutz Jews fighting back
What, they courageously fought against diaper army apache pilots blowing them up while they tried to hide in cars?
It's hilarious that everything the jews alleged its now being proven to be a lie.
I bet destiny will still sweep this up.
Waiting to see if they start to silently walk back the beheaded babies and mass rape hoaxes or eventually make it so you go to jail in multiple countries if you deny it
 
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What, they courageously fought against diaper army apache pilots blowing them up while they tried to hide in cars?
You seem upset that Hamas is splintering in Gaza, with local commanders telling Sinwar to fuck off and begging Haniyeh and Daef to get them a ceasefire at any price because they're getting assfucked by the IDF so hard. So you cope with this :story:
 
You seem upset that Hamas is splintering in Gaza, with local commanders telling Sinwar to fuck off and begging Haniyeh and Daef to get them a ceasefire at any price because they're getting assfucked by the IDF so hard. So you cope with this :story:
So what you're telling me is bibi's government ate itself alive before hamas' command supposedly did, and you think that's a flex? All of this seems to be speculation on internal communications of hamas, and god knows that Israel would never fake those (like they did with the gaza aid flotilla)

oh well, glad you're optimistic, the crash when Israel gets it's ass kicked in a 2 front war is gonna be rough for you.
 
At one time, the Israelis would have simply blown away the fucking ragheads, and if any Jews died too at least they died for their country and people.

The standout thing about October 7 is how timid the Israelis were. New recruits hid under their bunks like scared rabbits where Hamas gunmen liquified them. Civilians hid in back bedrooms that didn't even have locks on the doors

Fast forward 80 years, you have young Jews hiding from the enemy like 2 year olds, and the Jews weren't even trying to kill them. What the fuck happened?
The Modern World, sir. A condition known as 'Bitching Out' is a affliction common to all Westerners born post 1990.

Life is generally easy and meaningless to the youth and they've never been tested before. They've flunked it this time, and only time will tell.

'And In this episode, ISLAM WINS!"

In the Anglo-Sphere it's comsumer-culture, and in Europe and Israel is faggot culture with some cross-pollination. Drop the faggot shit and Pride Month bullshit and replace it with John Wayne-esque content and see what happens.
 
The standout thing about October 7 is how timid the Israelis were. New recruits hid under their bunks like scared rabbits where Hamas gunmen liquified them. Civilians hid in back bedrooms that didn't even have locks on the doors-people shoved dressers up against doors and prayed. A lot of times Hamas simply blasted open the doors with simple manual hand grenades. I've only read of a single incident where a single young soldier grabbed an Uzi and started killing some sandniggers. He died but the adjacent kibbutz was saved.
The kibbutzim only had pistols because there was an order half a year before to remove rifles because Bedouins kept on stealing the rifles from the kibbutzim for gang shit

At that point, the army did not know the number of people who had been kidnapped. "We thought they numbered dozens at that stage," a military source told Haaretz. Firing mortars at the Gaza Strip would endanger them as well. Furthermore, another order given at 11:22 A.M., according to which no vehicle would be allowed to return to Gaza, took this a step further.

"Everyone knew by then that such vehicles could be carrying kidnapped civilians or soldiers," a source in Southern Command told Haaretz. "There was no case in which a vehicle carrying kidnapped people was knowingly attacked, but you couldn't really know if there were any such people in a vehicle. I can't say there was a clear instruction, but everyone knew what it meant to not let any vehicles return to Gaza."
>IDF was so disorganized that helicopter pilots were getting whatsapp orders and took their own initiative in attacking vehicles crossing the border to/from gaza
>but at the same time there was a centralized command that ordered a hannibal

which one is it?

If there were hannibals, it seems like it was only for soldiers
 
If your "Hannibal Directive" doesn't involve elephants, BA Baracus, or fava beans then you fail as a culture.

Jews should die and Israel salted with cobalt 60.
 
So what you're telling me is bibi's government ate itself alive before hamas' command supposedly did, and you think that's a flex? All of this seems to be speculation on internal communications of hamas, and god knows that Israel would never fake those (like they did with the gaza aid flotilla)

oh well, glad you're optimistic, the crash when Israel gets it's ass kicked in a 2 front war is gonna be rough for you.
Yeah, I mean, its not like the Arabs have ever decided to gang bang Israel from every direction at once or anything prior to right now.
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The IDF probably killed a few of it's own citizens that were being kidnapped through fucking up vehicles crossing into Gaza on October 7.

Still seems to a far cry from many claims that somehow a majority of deaths (or even a large minority) were caused by the IDF on October 7. Like your retarded example of burnt parked cars somehow being due to the IDF, instead of the article repeatedly talking about how they engaged vehicles crossing into Gaza.
 
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