UK 'I felt like a freak because I didn't want children'

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The number of women choosing not to have children is growing and the global birth rate is plunging.

While their reasons vary from climate worries to financial concerns and health complications, those making the decision to be "child-free by choice" say societal acceptance is yet to come, often leaving them feeling ostracised.

The BBC spoke to members of Bristol Childfree Women, a social group with more than 500 members, set up by women and for women who have decided not to have children.

While Caroline Mitchell always knew she never wanted children, she wasn't prepared for how hard reaching "child-bearing age" would be.

The 46-year-old, who lives with her husband in Brislington, Bristol,said while it never bothered her when she was younger, she had not anticipated the barrage of personal questions she would faceas friends and acquaintances started to have children.

"I have felt like a freak because of it," she said.

"I feel like my perspective and my experience is just not acceptable."

In Caroline's eyes, society is set up for motherhood.

"You realise how you're quite excluded from a lot of life," she said.

"It's really hard for me to meet people, because it's all about the women you meet at the school gates or the writing clubs for mums."

Caroline said she thinks that sometimes women with children believe the "whole world" is set up for child-free women.

"Actually, it's really exclusionary," she said.

Many in her circle of friends have children and while they have never knowingly done anything to make her feel different, she says, the fact they are "all doing one thing" and she is doing another has been "quite hard".

While Caroline is "100% certain" and "very comfortable" in her identity, she admits she has, on occasion, “agonised" about her decision.

She said that was down to the "cultural expectation" of what was normal and the concept that if you were a woman, having a child was "the natural thing to do".

Official figures released in 2022, external show record numbers of women are reaching the age of 30 child-free.

More than half (50.1%) of women in England and Wales born in 1990 were without a child when they turned 30 in 2020, the first generation to do so, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Megan Stanley, who is originally from Oxfordshire and lives in Bristol, was so certain about her decision to not have children, she has been trying to get sterilised since the age of 19.

When it comes to her painful periods, Megan said it feels "cruel" to go through the "suffering every single month for a body function" she feels she does not need.

"I know that sterilisation doesn't solve periods but it does alleviate a lot of those major symptoms," she said.

But the 31-year-old said she has come up against hurdle after hurdle.

“The doctors would say ‘you're still a bit young’ or ‘you might change your mind’,” she said.

The furthest Megan got was when she was 29 and had an appointment with a surgeon.

"I'd prepared everything - my medical history, prepared all my line of reasoning. I'd even gone as far as to get a testimony from the therapist I was seeing. I'd gone the full mile," she said.

However, permission was not granted once the gynaecologist asked about her relationship status.

"At the time I'd been dating my now long-term partner for maybe three months," Megan said.

She told the doctor that her partner also definitely did not want children and he had already had a vasectomy.

'It's my body'

Megan said the doctor then told her that if her partner had a vasectomy, “then you don't need to have this done, do you?"

It was then that Megan said she realised it was "inescapable" and they were "just not going to do it".

"Why should what happens to my body be beholden to what he's done to his?" she said.

"It's got to the point now where I long for the menopause. That's what I'm looking forward to."

Caroline believes women without children may be “complicit” in keeping cultural expectations as they are.

"We don't talk about it - so there's still this thought that it's what everyone does," she said.

"Motherhood is just everywhere all the time, in your face."

She said it was hard not fitting in with the "norm of society" and at times, she had wished she was "different".

"My life would have been easier in some ways," she said.

Yet for many women, whatever choices they make, they seem to beat themselves up about it and "seem to be not very accepting of everyone's choice", Caroline added.

Fiona Powley said she knew she did not want to be a mother from the age of 12 after seeing her own mum struggle with motherhood.

“She didn't enjoy raising small children. She wouldn't have had the choices that we have today to opt out of that,” she said.

“I just thought motherhood didn't look like lot of fun and the best way to not be my mum was to not be one.”

Now 49, Fiona runs the Bristol Childfree Women group, external and while she is currently experiencing menopausal symptoms, she has "no panicking feeling" that she did not use her ability to reproduce.

"It feels very comfortable," she said.

'Selfish'

Ironically Fiona now looks at herself and thinks she could have actually done “quite a good job of parenting" but she "never really wanted it enough".

However, like Caroline and Megan she said new people she meetscan react negatively when she tells them she chose not to have children.

“There's being told you'll regret it. What's your point of existing? If you don't have children you're not valid as a woman," Fiona said.

Fiona has even been called "selfish" and some have questioned who will look after her when she is old.

“It's almost like people feel uncomfortable," she said.

“It's probably because it never occurred to them that they also had a choice.”

Megan can sympathise.

In the past, the reaction to her not wanting children has been quite "visceral", she said.

She claims some people have painted her as "a child-hater, or a mean person” because of it.

"I think my not wanting kids is just an innate thing to who I am," she said.

Fiona said there were so many reasons why people decide not to have children.

Looking back, she thinks her own reasons were "probably quite unhealthy", but she knows that she is not going to "suddenly wake up as an old lady and feel bitter and regret".

'It's about choice'

Caroline said she would be a "resentful mother", adding there were a "huge amount of upsides" to not having children, like focusing her time on her relationship with her husband and her hobbies.

Megan agrees.

“There’s a lot of joy to be had in not having kids," she said.

“It isn't all about freedom and money. It's about choice."

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you can see the gears turning in their heads as to why they feel that way about their own chosen decision
so close to realizing it but nooooo
it's other people who are wrong
and it's their job to make them feel more comfortable with their life choices
 
Because violating one of the two only real purposes we have as animals, to survive and REPRODUCE is completely unnatural and rather freakish thing to do.

However, given how this freak of nature writes I say its a good thing they are not contaminating the gene pool any further.
 
"It's really hard for me to meet people, because it's all about the women you meet at the school gates or the writing clubs for mums."
This is just dumb. There really isn’t a whole set of social stuff that excludes the children to the point they can’t find anything. It’s probably far easier to do classes without kids.
She’s making it her whole identity. Not everyone wants kids. Being children by choice is extremely common these days and nobody gives a shit.
The doctors would say ‘you're still a bit young’ or ‘you might change your mind’,” she said.
So there’s a very good reason they don’t sterilise young women. The regret rate is massive and many cases have sued and won even after counselling and signing consent. Docs don’t want to be sued. It’s also sometimes a sign of self harm - young women who have significant mental health issues are not capable of consent (unless pooners in which case yeet the lot!) and the women who present with a strong v desire for sterilisation have a high rate of mental health issues.
Does that suck for women who know they want it? Yes it does, but that’s why it’s not done.
All children should be born to families who love and want them. If someone’s loathing kids don’t have them. It’s not exactly a niche opinion these days
 
Nobody really cares if you have children or not but empty egg cartons demand affirmation of their lifestyle choices. You must call them Stunning and Brave for them not to have children and when people don’t, then they sob about how oppressed they are. If she would just shut the fuck up and live her life, nobody would say anything.
 
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If she just shut the fuck up and lived her life, nobody would say anything.
Exactly. Nobody says anything because there are plenty of women and couples who desperately wanted children and haven’t been able to have them. If they don’t have kids, and you don’t know why, the polite and usual approach is simply never to ask or pry because infertility when you want children is very upsetting. It’s only if you’re making a big deal of it that people will comment. She’s taking her own neuroses and projecting them on others. It’s just not done to pry
 
Not everyone wants kids. Being children by choice is extremely common these days and nobody gives a shit.
It's a testament to the sad state of the world these days that I can't tell if you meant to say "Childless" there or not, because it's true either way...

And most of the whining and winging of these "it's so hard when you're shunned all the time!" people is their own political paranoia and frustration at not having self-actualized despite vocal rejection of tradition spinning up oppression from nothing to feel validated/righteously done hard.

You are not a second class citizen for being a spinster, and to insinuate you are is arrogant and pathetic.

You may have to deal with pushy peers and gossipy relatives, but so what? Are you saying your beliefs aren't strong enough to hold up to even mockery?

You can't be sent to an asylum, of curfewed off the street for not having kids, and the existence of a kids section to the restaurant menu you don't even have to read, or part of the Target that you don't' even have to set foot in, is not bullying.
 
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You can live however you want.

But we need to bring back shame. And being shamed for not having kids is not the worst thing that could happen to navel-gazers.
 
Nobody really cares if you have children or not but empty egg cartons demand affirmation of their lifestyle choices. You must call them Stunning and Brave for them not to have children and when people don’t, then they sob about how oppressed they are. If she would just shut the fuck up and lived her life, nobody would say anything.
Just like troons, cat ladies need constant affirmation that their lifestyle is good because they know they made a mistake. Every time she sees a happy family she gets jealous and sad and demands someone soothe her by telling her that she made the right decisions in life.

Also, I can't help but notice that there's no diversity in this article.
 
This sort of person, that constantly craves attention, will try to get it no matter what. Had she changed her mind and had kids, she'd use those children for her clout any way she can so "Now 49, Fiona runs the Bristol Childfree Women group" would change to "Now 49, Fiona runs the Bristol chapter of Moms Against Fun" or god knows whatever the fuck else. It's a good thing she's not subjecting some poor child to her self-absorbed bullshit.
 
She’s making it her whole identity.
She has to. She has nothing to show for her life.

A mother can say, "look, I started a family, I created and nurtured life that will outlast me". What does this woman have, a garden that will die 2 months after her? A "career" that amounts to a few rows in a spreadsheet somewhere? If she started a successful business, or a charity that did some lasting good, she'd have something to validate her. But these are women with profoundly empty lives:

a "huge amount of upsides" to not having children, like focusing her time on her relationship with her husband and her hobbies. Megan agrees.

Feminists complain that society expecting child-bearing from women is reducing women to one biological function. The truth is having and raising kids isn't just a generic biological imperative, it's the easiest, built-in way humans have to give meaning to their own life (for both sexes). If you aren't going to do that then you better be a damn impressive, productive, creative, amazing specimen of a human being to get anything meaningful out of the few decades you spend on Earth. And most people aren't that; most people are average.

The average woman can raise a family, but the average woman can't create and leave something meaningful behind otherwise. So modern culture needs psychology and articles like this to convince them they're just fine, it's just a choice, it's just a perfectly valid identity to believe in while you consume product and generate taxes until you die.

And since I know I'll be getting neg-rates from the man-hater crowd: Men have the same problem, but a different locus of meaning.

TL;DR of modern psych findings it that men care more about things, while women care more about people. So men can more easily have a feeling of accomplishment from building something inorganic or abstract, like a house, a car, a corporation, a collection of items, software, etc. We can also get it from achieving something difficult or rare, even if it's only of abstract or theoretical value. If it's good enough it can satisfy a feeling of purpose, though if it's not good enough we can get a sense of inadequacy or failure from these items or achievements.

Apply this to our lives, and this is why we're subject to the "mid-life crises". When we start to feel our age, we take stock of what we've accomplished so far, and if it doesn't match up with our perceived potential it plays havoc with the psyche. All the "crazy" things men do when they hit that point reflect a desperation to get something done before we die, or to build something better, or achieve something noteworthy.

We also get a sense of meaning from the families we create, and to be honest many men undervalue this in ways the modern feminists instruct women to undervalue it. However, men will apply the same "good enough" standards to their own spouses and kids, and react the same way if they feel it's lacking. Women find it easier to to find meaning in their family and friends circles, which is also why the women in this article are complaining about their lack in these circles.

Note that women have similar milestones of self-assessment (and going nuts), but they're tied closer to base biological functions. Monthly ovulation, the ticking "biological clock" they feel in their 30s, then menopause once the clock winds down, are more physical and regular processes than what men go through.

The real irony of discussions around childbirth is that feminists insist women aren't mere biological objects, while men are mindless sex seekers. But women are the ones naturally driven to action by their bodies, while men are the ones driven by mental neuroses.
 
Imagine the cope and seethe at meetings where hundreds of childless women get together to gaslight themselves into believing life is wonderful without children when in reality 95%+ of them "chose" not to have children because they couldn't or didn't think they could afford them.

I don't know about now but back when the woman in the article was young the #1 thing young girls enjoyed doing was pretend to take care of plastic babies, the more it resembled an actual baby the more delighted they were.
 
Imagine the cope and seethe at meetings where hundreds of childless women get together to gaslight themselves into believing life is wonderful without children when in reality 95%+ of them "chose" not to have children because they couldn't or didn't think they could afford them.

I don't know about now but back when the woman in the article was young the #1 thing young girls enjoyed doing was pretend to take care of plastic babies, the more it resembled an actual baby the more delighted they were.
Reminds me of worst Korea and the spinsters that complained the government wasn't providing for their societal dead end.
 
"It's really hard for me to meet people, because it's all about the women you meet at the school gates or the writing clubs for mums."
That's, uh, pretty specific. I'm guessing there's a story there.

Anyway, it's not a mystery. Find me one other living organism that doesn't strive to reproduce.
 
I'm male and I don't have kids. I also didn't want them because I was a philosophical pessimist before I even knew what one was. I think the world is shit, it's not getting any better, and there is no way I would ever bring anyone into it just to suffer through life.

That said, she's right on one point: society is set up to want men and women to reproduce. That's how societies and the human race as a whole continue. No babies mean no more society so society is set up to push men and women for replacements to be future generations. That's just the deal.
 
Feminists complain that society expecting child-bearing from women is reducing women to one biological function. The truth is having and raising kids isn't just a generic biological imperative, it's the easiest, built-in way humans have to give meaning to their own life (for both sexes). If you aren't going to do that then you better be a damn impressive, productive, creative, amazing specimen of a human being to get anything meaningful out of the few decades you spend on Earth. And most people aren't that; most people are average.
That's the real issue, that choosing to not have kids made her feel average and not empowered and proud like the feminists told her it would.

I'm not having kids either, and that's fine, I can live with being just a worker drone, I make enough to get by and have some hobbies, but I know nobody's looking up to me and they aren't going to be casting statues in my honor.

Do I have regrets? Sure. But that's all they are, regrets. With any luck, I'm busy enough to not dwell on them and I certainly don't want to loudly offload them on other people. What's the point? Wouldn't fix them.

I am content with being average or even a-bit-less-than-average.

People like the OP aren't.

They rage against being a subpar example of all that a person could be.

Mostly because they did exactly what the "experts" said to do instead of what Mom and Dad said.
 
I don't want kids, but at the same time, I also don't go on about it to people. If someone asks, I just say not for me thanks and leave it at that (some people just dont want to take that for an answer though sometimes). I don't hate kids, I just don't want to have them around 24/7 (happy to help with friends kids etc, but I can hand them back after, which suits me just fine). I'm happy doing my job and coming home to work on my hobbies etc and if I die leaving nothing super lasting, I'll be dead so why would I care?
 
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