How to communicate with another computer without an ISP

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You could create a private WAN that uses say, fax printers w/ phoneset for nodes/modems that's, say, fax-based. Also, if it's FAX-BASED then that means it's analog (POTS), so you can use the phone printer as a makeshift acoustic coupler / dumb modem. Now you can phreak your way to a private WAN using an 1960s-80s style 300bps acoustic coupler using soundwaves. Will need GNUNet + GNU radio. You can distribute text messages and metadata, but nothing heavy (like hosting an IRC client over fax).

I know the reason many industries (finance, healthcare, government) still require fax for legal documents is because a direct circuit-switched path is harder to intercept casually than a packet-switched VoIP call. POTS is still preferred for fax because it provides the stable, analog, circuit-switched channel that fax protocols were designed for. VoIP can carry fax only with special handling (T.38, G.711 passthrough), but that adds complexity and still isn’t as reliable. POTS lines have their own power (48V DC from the exchange), so faxes can still work in a blackout. However I do know you'll be leaving behind vulnerable information (like phone number), but it's an easy route to offline communication.

If you can bypass the fax protocol and access the modem side directly, you could dial into that number from a PC with a modem (hardware or software-defined), establish a data session (V.34, V.32bis, etc.) instead of a fax session and run PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) over it, which gives you an IP address. That PPP link could connect to a gateway that has internet access so now your fax line is acting like a dial-up ISP. This works because unlike VoIP, a circuit-switched analog phone line gives you a reliable audio channel. Any device with a phone number that can answer calls and pass tones can act as a modem server. That’s exactly what AOL, Compuserve, and universities did in the 1990s — banks of modems answered phone numbers and granted IP via PPP.

However many modern fax printers don’t expose the raw modem, only the fax protocol. You’d likely need firmware mods, or you’d just add an external modem on the same line. Even the fastest fax/modems top out around 33.6 kbps (V.34). Real-world speeds might be 2–14 kbps. Text-based stuff works, but web browsing will feel like 1995. Only one person at a time could “dial in.” No multi-user support unless you add more lines/modems. Also, you’re paying per phone call unless it’s a flat-rate local number you're connected to. You’d need to configure the fax-printer-hosting device as a PPP server (Linux can do this with mgetty + pppd).

By default, anyone who knows the number could dial in. You’d want auth via PPP (username/password) or even you could make it cookie-accessible only so that the only way somebody can access your network is via manual request to receive those cookies. Since fax machines often auto-answer, without auth it could become an open door.

When uplink is down, it’s just a private WAN (LAN over phone). When uplink is up, it’s an “emergency ISP” — albeit a very slow one.

So a fax line with a phone number could serve as a rudimentary ISP. If you can make the printer’s modem answer in data mode instead of fax mode, then run PPP over that call, you’d essentially be recreating a dial-up ISP from scratch. It would be slow, single-user, and hacky, but totally possible — and robust in a blackout if POTS still has line power. It'll be good enough for GNUNet or IRC client.
 
I wonder if you can make a Teslanet that uses mechanical signals instead of electromagnetic? That would be weird. I wonder if that would even be safe?
Do you have an entire empty room to put that thing in? Are you a mechanical engineer? Because otherwise you're not gonna be able to store or build it.

Just as an example this is what a mechanical computer looks like:
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Pretty sure getting a radio license is gonna be easier than building a contraption like this.
 
Do you have an entire empty room to put that thing in? Are you a mechanical engineer? Because otherwise you're not gonna be able to store or build it.

Just as an example this is what a mechanical computer looks like:
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Pretty sure getting a radio license is gonna be easier than building a contraption like this.
No I mean mechanical VIBRATIONS (like a Tesla oscillator). You'd need a Tesla tower + satellite for a global Tesla wave network. But it could be noticeable in the environment worldwide anytime a message is posted to the network and possibly fuck with the weather, make buildings/the Earth vibrate and so on. That's why I'm questioning if that would even be a good idea. Plus that would produce lots of noise. Look into ELF and seismic waves. That should be a good demonstration of why this would be a dangerous idea.

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No I mean mechanical VIBRATIONS (like a Tesla oscillator). You'd need a Tesla tower + satellite for a global Tesla wave network. But it could be noticeable in the environment worldwide anytime a message is posted to the network and possibly fuck with the weather, make buildings/the Earth vibrate and so on. That's why I'm questioning if that would even be a good idea. Plus that would produce lots of noise. Look into ELF and seismic waves. That should be a good demonstration of why this would be a dangerous idea.

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Oh the earthquake machine. That was just Tesla being a delusional psycho.
 
LoRA already exists but it's very low speed and wouldn't be able to support more than a couple concurrent users accessing a BBS-type forum, text only as the bandwidth is so small. I'm not sure whether transmitting LoRA requires a license, I don't think so. Your best bet is to build a network of encrypted tunnels over clearnet, like Tor and I2P already do. Why reinvent the wheel, just use what already exists.
 
You could probably safely encrypt information in a chinese whispering type of scandalous gossip that rags like TMZ always publish.

So just spread rumors and decode information from that.
 
You could probably use LRAD ultrasound weapons to deliver some kind of morse code like signal to an acoustic sensor I guess.
 
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