🐱 How Ghosting Harms Queer Communities

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If you’ve ever used a dating app, then you’ve probably had this experience: you exchange messages with someone, you enjoy the conversation, you go on a date — and that person never responds to you again. You’ve been ghosted.

As an avid dater, I have engaged in and experienced my fair share of ghosting. But as I’ve been on the receiving end of ghosting more frequently, I’ve started feeling confused by the practice. Why didn’t you just tell me you’re not feeling the conversation or that you no longer want our dogs to meet at the neighborhood dog park? Rejection is hard, but there is an extra sting when someone ducks out without a word. Despite how normal it is to be ghosted, I’ve started to wonder if ghosting is a lot more harmful than we want to admit.

I recently called someone out for ghosting me, and they claimed that ghosting is less rude than saying why they didn’t want to keep talking to me. They also said they didn’t owe me an explanation. They’re certainly right about some of this. There are many times when ghosting is the right move — like when you’re being harassed — and we probably do not owe an explanation to someone we’ve chatted with on an app but have never met. But in many situations, ghosting can be objectifying and dehumanizing towards the person who’s been left in the dust. It can make the ghostee feel like a thing instead of a person. The idea that ghosting is objectifying might sound dramatic — but that’s only because it has become a normal part of dating. It’s so common to be ghosted that most of us have had to develop a thick skin and let it go. Some people even see handling this ambiguous form of rejection as evidence of how “chill” they are. But thinking of ghosting as “normal” hides how harmful it can be.

This interaction and these thoughts made me want to dig deeper into what’s going on. As a philosopher who studies interpersonal ethics, I started thinking about what the ethical value of communication is and what perspectives are being taken up when deciding not to communicate. We maintain our social ties and communities by respecting and recognizing that others are thinking, feeling people who can understand our reasons for acting or be held accountable for hurting one another. We talk to them, get angry with them or explain ourselves to them. And when we don’t do those things, we’re revealing that we don’t see them as a thinking, feeling person. Philosopher Peter Strawson called this taking the “objective attitude.” When someone takes the objective attitude, they don’t treat the person as a person, but as an object that must be managed. This is how we treat pets and other non-human animals — we train and manage them through positive reinforcement, and we don’t talk to them like people who can understand why what they do is wrong. And that’s exactly why all of us could stand to be more careful about how and who we choose to ghost.

Taking the objective attitude is not always wrong, of course. Sometimes for the sake of your own security, safety or mental health, you might need to approach someone more objectively. If someone is harassing you, sending unsolicited nudes or making you feel in danger, then ghosting them is an effective and sensible response. People who repeatedly cross your boundaries often cannot handle rejection in a mature way, so you can choose to manage their behavior by cutting off access to you. You can ignore them, block them or unmatch them without saying a word. In this case, you’re still taking the objective attitude, but it’s a sensible response given the position they put you in.

But absent this context, ghosting can be harmful behavior, and it can often feel disorienting for the ghostee, who has no metric for understanding their behavior. The ghostee is being treated like an object to be managed without their own feelings, anxieties and concerns. Many times when I’ve been ghosted, I’ve become fixated on figuring out what I said that offended the ghoster, scrolling back through the conversation to determine why they thought I couldn’t handle rejection gracefully.

Some ghosters may recognize how much ghosting sucks but still ultimately think that the other person isn’t owed an explanation, like my ghoster told me. However, what we should do isn’t always because people are owed something; often what we should do is rooted in maintaining supportive, fulfilling communities. As queer daters, we are necessarily in community with each other. We are the people who are often pushed to the margins by mainstream society, treated like objects or pets to be managed instead of being engaged with as persons. When we ghost each other, we’re just multiplying the harm. We are not only weakening our community — we’re increasing feelings of objectification in those people we ghost.

And like in all cases where interpersonal interactions echo systemic harms, those who experience multiple forms of marginalization are hit hardest. As a brown trans femme, I am battling against harmful stereotypes of being predatory or creepy in everyday life. When I’m ghosted and when others like me are ghosted, it takes on an extra sting. We can start to wonder if we actually are creepy. And even if we’re able to quiet these anxieties, we’re left with the reminder that it’s not only the cis, straight world that can view us in harmful ways — our own queer community can do that, too.

Our communities are relatively small, and while dating can be overwhelming, tiring and annoying, we should pay more attention to how we engage with each other. Being queer or trans doesn’t stop our actions from echoing the harms all of us already experience. The people we’re no longer interested in dating may not be owed an explanation, but clear communication — whenever it’s practical and possible — goes a long way in keeping our queer and trans communities strong and supportive.
 
Wonder why this stunning and brave lesbian might not be getting second dates...

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How very feminine, to demand a confrontation and explanation for sexual rejection and to see no reason any female might wish to avoid that entirely. Not merely because a troon is looking for transphobia for a cancellation, but because even without a troon being involved, women don’t want to stand in front of a hulk and explain to him he’s unwanted. The .02% or so risk that we’ll spend the next 6-8 weeks drinking Ensure because our jaw is wired shut is just not worth it when we can simply be female and...withdraw.
 
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More accurate title: "Troon uses dating app to trick women into having sex with him, cries oppression when he gets ghosted."
 
Summary:

It was OK when I did it, but now I'm receiving it, it's very, very bad.
Shit. I need more words. Waffle on about psych shit I know nothing about, interspersed with a generous helping of me, me, me.
 
The people we’re no longer interested in dating may not be owed an explanation, but clear communication — whenever it’s practical and possible — goes a long way in keeping our queer and trans communities strong and supportive.
Here's a hint, troon: it's because you're a troon. And because you're a troon, your former daters aren't going to explain why they're ghosting you, because if they did, this article wouldn't be filled with navel-gazing about mental health, it'd be about how ghosting troons makes you an evil nazi bigot white supremacist.
 
So in this case, the obvious problem is that a man is demanding lesbians provide him a verbal, preferably in-person excuse for not wanting to date him, and that's just ridiculous on it's face.

As for ghosting in general, try to be reasonable: If I don't like you in the first place, why the actual fuck would I waste time explaining to you that I'm not interested, thus almost certainly opening up some pointless and drawn out emotional response from you that I'm not remotely interested in hearing?
 
He’s being extremely sensitive about not getting picked and obsessively re-reads old text conversations, I’m sure he’s not stalking or harassing the women who ghost him…
 
Everyone gets ghosted. EVERYONE. It doesn't matter if you're a straight man, straight woman, bisexual, gay man, or lesbian. At some point, everyone gets ghosted. You're a fool if you take it personally and ruminate on it for more than 30 seconds. It's cringe how troons act like their experience is so much more worse and unique than everyone else. If this idiot wasn't a troon, everyone would be calling him an incel for thinking anyone owes him an explanation for being ghosted.

I am pro-ghosting. I used to think it was nice to at least tell someone that you aren't interested in them, since ghosting felt rude, but after I while, I understood why so many did it. Because tons of people, mostly men, will not accept no for an answer. They try to get you to change your mind (which is pathetic) or they chew you out and call you a bitch.

When it comes to troons, you not only have to worry about them trying to change your mind or chewing you out, but now you have to worry about them trying to get you and your account canceled for transphobia. This article just reinforces why ghosting is the best option.
 
This article could have easily been written by a woman. He's got that bitchy navel gazing down at least.
 
So in this case, the obvious problem is that a man is demanding lesbians provide him a verbal, preferably in-person excuse for not wanting to date him, and that's just ridiculous on it's face.
He wants lesbians to tell him directly why they don't want to see him again so he can point out why they are wrong and argue that they should give him a chance. To a guy like this, "I'm not interested," coming from a woman, is really just an opener for negotiations, in which the silly woman can be made to see things his way.

Straight women have always dealt with this coercive shit, especially from "Nice Guys" who claim they love and respect women, or even are feminists, as cover for their contempt toward and resentment of them. So it's no surprise that lesbians are now getting the same treatment from troons, and are ghosting them instead of trying to explain to some low-effort AGP why they don't think it's going to work out (with the added burden of not even hinting at the real reason, lest they get branded a TERF and transphobe).

As for ghosting in general, try to be reasonable: If I don't like you in the first place, why the actual fuck would I waste time explaining to you that I'm not interested, thus almost certainly opening up some pointless and drawn out emotional response from you that I'm not remotely interested in hearing?
Ghosting is as clear a signal as it is possible to get that they just aren't into you. Yes, it stings, and if you're consistently getting ghosted it can be demoralizing. But at least you know where you stand, and aren't going to waste time being taken for a ride by somebody who isn't interested.
 
When I’m ghosted and when others like me are ghosted, it takes on an extra sting. We can start to wonder if we actually are creepy.
That's because you are. Any woman who gets you to consider that for even a minute is doing god's work.
 
Lmao it really is a case of "it was okay when I was doing it!" Nice Guys gonna Nice Guy.

This is probably the same kind of person who cries that being ghosted by someone you've known for a week is "abusive" (another real take I've heard.) If you're being ignored then the relationship obviously wasn't going to work anyway, just suck it up and move on.
 
“People stop talking to one another, troons most affected.”
 
I would say the difference to this guy with just moving on, is that this guy is swiping on lesbian women and probably only got like 2 or 3 replies every couple of weeks. I dont think he actually ghosted anyone, I think thats fronting, but if he did I imagine hes the dude who did because she showed up fatter or dressed weird or something. I dont do online dating so Im thinking of it in theory of me being like "Well, what the fuck, spend an hour with them or whatever, Im already here with nothing else to do." I do remember it was once seen as kinda shitty but okay to do if its really bad or something but I could see why that changed I guess. Especially with transbians.

Honestly I dont see how hes getting any swipes from people who would ghost him after a boring date, just maybe people who wanted drinks or some shit since hes fuckin obviously a dude. lol I just noticed the stubble.
 
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Ghosting isn't illegal, against any app or community rules, it does not require permission or vetting to do, and it shuts down illogical conversations and negotiating. OF COURSE the queer authoritarian left hates it!
 
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