How, exactly, are the Gladio-related programs/individuals connected? - In which I risk a ban over something entirely pointless

[Kapros]

I've been trying to piece together this history for, off and on, about three years now.

What I know:

• In the close of WWII, Allied intelligence organized the surviving far-right into a program evidently called Gladio
• In Italy, the Gladio program was deeply connected with a Masonic spin-off group called Propaganda Due, which had strong ties with the Italian deep state
• In the UK, MI6 created an outfit called Combat 18, which is important primarily because of its own spin-offs
• One of those spin-offs, created by British spook David Myatt, was a terrorist pseudo-cult named the Order of Nine Angles (O9A)
• The O9A, due to its cell structure, has many spin-offs of its own, with one of them in the US having been Atomwaffen Division (AWD)
• AWD was either co-opted or co-founded by elements of the FBI and had its own spin-off, the Tempel ov Blood (ToB), for the most fanatical stooges
• ToB, and related businesses like Martinet Press, were directly led by an especially degenerate FBI asset; this fuck-up by the Bureau led to the exposure of their role with AWD and the rest of that branch of the O9A
• Somehow militant groups involved with the pseudo-war in Ukraine were or are also involved with similar black projects disguised as cults; few of their attempts to lure European and Anglosphere far-right recruits seem to have panned out
• Also, some fucking how, certain spooks like Michael Aquino and Alex Dugin and organizations like the Process Church fit into the timeline of this shit
• At some point, maybe in the 1970s or so, the far-right was in large part abandoned by Western intelligence in favor of Islamists and the promotion of Islamic religious terrorism
• To be followed by a pivot back to supporting the far-right possibly in the early 2010s.

What I don't know:

• The vast majority of the individuals and organizations involved and how they fit together
• The vast majority of the dates, events, and effects on public discourse and common
• When, specifically, the shift to support for Islamist radicalism happened, who pushed for and against it, and how that shift panned out
• When, specifically, the pendulum swung back to my side of things and the specifics of which individuals and programs were involved with that
• Why these dumb glowie motherfuckers thought pushing the LHP occult angle for the far-right would be remotely appealing to the vast majority of the target demographic (ie, working class white Christians)

So, bring on the trash can and autism rates and reports, I guess. Either people here have a good idea of this stuff and can break it down for me Barney style, or I have to wait until registration reopens to brows A&N again. Still worth asking.

 

[Tablet County]

What

 

[herefortheactualthreads]

What

i dont get it either

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

For anybody wondering what this is here is a informative video on what it's supposed to be about.

 

[DJ Grelle]

Gladio is seriously overrated as a program.
There were fears of an immediate soviet invasion post WW2 (and some spikes after) and there were caches hidden to assist possible partisans.

However, communists & communist-aligned people blow it out of proportion; claiming that a massive network of terrorist cells was funded by the CIA from the end of WW2 to the fall of the USSR. They do this to frame any resistance against communist (antifa) terrorism as "organised by the CIA" instead of actual grassroots organisations. Furthermore, the left has this delusion that the CIA is a hardline anti communist organisation while it was decidedly liberal-humanistic in its worldview. (Yes, the CIA are in essence communists. Always have been.)

The best example of this is that the May '68 riots in Europe were not violently suppressed by far right paramilitaries but simply allowed to happen.

There has never ever been serious state sponsoring of far right groups with the intent of making them succeed. Actual far right paramilitaries were actively prosecuted by western governments because of "racism" and "fascism". The O9A and such groups are not part of some secret stay-behind network, they're used to discredit and subvert actual RW orgs. AWD used to be just a hiking & hunting group.

 

[Masturbator]

Gladio is seriously overrated as a program.
There were fears of an immediate soviet invasion post WW2 (and some spikes after) and there were caches hidden to assist possible partisans.

However, communists & communist-aligned people blow it out of proportion; claiming that a massive network of terrorist cells was funded by the CIA from the end of WW2 to the fall of the USSR. They do this to frame any resistance against communist (antifa) terrorism as "organised by the CIA" instead of actual grassroots organisations. Furthermore, the left has this delusion that the CIA is a hardline anti communist organisation while it was decidedly liberal-humanistic in its worldview. (Yes, the CIA are in essence communists. Always have been.)

The best example of this is that the May '68 riots in Europe were not violently suppressed by far right paramilitaries but simply allowed to happen.

There has never ever been serious state sponsoring of far right groups with the intent of making them succeed. Actual far right paramilitaries were actively prosecuted by western governments because of "racism" and "fascism". The O9A and such groups are not part of some secret stay-behind network, they're used to discredit and subvert actual RW orgs. AWD used to be just a hiking & hunting group.

post glows harder than chernobyl plant at certain hour

 

[David Brown]

• In the UK, MI6 created an outfit called Combat 18, which is important primarily because of its own spin-offs
• One of those spin-offs, created by British spook David Myatt, was a terrorist pseudo-cult named the Order of Nine Angles (O9A

If you have more information about this I'm very curious to see this connection and paper trail between MI6 and Myatt.
Only lead I have is this archived /lit/ thread which has some blog posts linked on it. https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S15250949
William Ramsey, a conspiracy podcaster, also has talked about O9A on occasion. Here's one interview Ramsey did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTIcxCPz4Eg
Ramsey livestreams a few times a week and has a huge backlog of podcasts and interviews. He's very boomer christian conspiracy but other than that bias he's a very sober voice in the conspiracy lunatic community. Mostly sticks to the facts and keeps the wacky shit to a minimum. https://www.youtube.com/@WilliamRamsey-gu7rs/streams

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

i dont get it either

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Supporting anti-communist militias and torturing/killing Communists? What exactly is bad about this program again?

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

War is gay, man.

 

[2LtMashengo]

Why these dumb glowie motherfuckers thought pushing the LHP occult angle for the far-right would be remotely appealing to the vast majority of the target demographic (ie, working class white Christians)

Would it serve the gay disco's interests for an angry mob of genuine chuddies to descend on Langley and Quantico, the monuments to all of ZOG's sin?

This makes more sense if you think about it from the angle that all three letter agencies are run by pedophiles and trannies, see Hoover. They do not want to appeal to working class White Christians because they are normal people, who generally abhor evil. They want to appeal to psychopathic degenerates, because they will serve their ends the best.
You make a group like O9A for two purposes:
1. It will shift public perception of the chuddies, so that people will think of them as psychopathic lunatics; likewise they will subvert existing genuine chuddy groups who are now further alienated from the mainstream.
2. They will kill, rape, and die for Nick Fuentes their glownigger handlers, because they wave a swastika but pray to Jacob Frank.
They're a smokescreen for the standard glowniger child trafficking network. They serve their purpose perfectly well. See Paul Latinus if you want a tenuous Gladio connection here.
Also C18 was post O9A, I think you're thinking of Column 88.

An interesting but unrelated(?) fact about the Process Church is that they are now big pitbull advocates.

 

[Kapros]

Gladio is seriously overrated as a program.
There were fears of an immediate soviet invasion post WW2 (and some spikes after) and there were caches hidden to assist possible partisans.

However, communists & communist-aligned people blow it out of proportion; claiming that a massive network of terrorist cells was funded by the CIA from the end of WW2 to the fall of the USSR. They do this to frame any resistance against communist (antifa) terrorism as "organised by the CIA" instead of actual grassroots organisations. Furthermore, the left has this delusion that the CIA is a hardline anti communist organisation while it was decidedly liberal-humanistic in its worldview. (Yes, the CIA are in essence communists. Always have been.)

The best example of this is that the May '68 riots in Europe were not violently suppressed by far right paramilitaries but simply allowed to happen.

There has never ever been serious state sponsoring of far right groups with the intent of making them succeed. Actual far right paramilitaries were actively prosecuted by western governments because of "racism" and "fascism". The O9A and such groups are not part of some secret stay-behind network, they're used to discredit and subvert actual RW orgs. AWD used to be just a hiking & hunting group.

Well, yeah. There was never an intent to "make them succeed." The point was they exist at all. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Strategy_of_tension should explain it.

Supporting anti-communist militias and torturing/killing Communists? What exactly is bad about this program again?

See above. Killing communists was just the original angle. It was never really about that. It was, and is, about terrorizing society and cowing the population into signing off on any tyrannical or Satanic shit the Allies/NATO want(ed). That's why the specific threat can change from Nazis to Islamists to Nazis again to Hamas and Nazis. The nature of the threat is irrelevant so long as there is one.

If you have more information about this I'm very curious to see this connection and paper trail between MI6 and Myatt.
Only lead I have is this archived /lit/ thread which has some blog posts linked on it. https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S15250949
William Ramsey, a conspiracy podcaster, also has talked about O9A on occasion. Here's one interview Ramsey did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTIcxCPz4Eg
Ramsey livestreams a few times a week and has a huge backlog of podcasts and interviews. He's very boomer christian conspiracy but other than that bias he's a very sober voice in the conspiracy lunatic community. Mostly sticks to the facts and keeps the wacky shit to a minimum. https://www.youtube.com/@WilliamRamsey-gu7rs/streams

I gave up on trying to keep detailed notes or anything. I'll see what I can dig back up.

Would it serve the gay disco's interests for an angry mob of genuine chuddies to descend on Langley and Quantico, the monuments to all of ZOG's sin?

This makes more sense if you think about it from the angle that all three letter agencies are run by pedophiles and trannies, see Hoover. They do not want to appeal to working class White Christians because they are normal people, who generally abhor evil. They want to appeal to psychopathic degenerates, because they will serve their ends the best.
You make a group like O9A for two purposes:
1. It will shift public perception of the chuddies, so that people will think of them as psychopathic lunatics; likewise they will subvert existing genuine chuddy groups who are now further alienated from the mainstream.
2. They will kill, rape, and die for Nick Fuentes their glownigger handlers, because they wave a swastika but pray to Jacob Frank.
They're a smokescreen for the standard glowniger child trafficking network. They serve their purpose perfectly well. See Paul Latinus if you want a tenuous Gladio connection here.
Also C18 was post O9A, I think you're thinking of Column 88.

An interesting but unrelated(?) fact about the Process Church is that they are now big pitbull advocates.

This is exactly the kind of response I was hoping for. I forgot to mention in the OP recently learning that Harold Covington (Northwest Front founder) was also involved in C18. In hindsight, you're right about Myatt and C88.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

That's why the specific threat can change from Nazis to Islamists to Nazis again to Hamas and Nazis.

I really don't have a problem with killing Islamists or Hamas either, they're every bit as bad as the communists.

 

[Kapros]

I really don't have a problem with killing Islamists or Hamas either, they're every bit as bad as the communists.

The problem you're facing here isn't that the Islamists exist. It's that the Islamists are funded and organized by your own government, and when they attack your nation it's at the direction of your nation's own government.

 

[Farsided]

When, specifically, the shift to support for Islamist radicalism happened, who pushed for and against it, and how that shift panned out

The more european countries clear sense of identity declines, the less the far-right can get traction.
Without far-right, you need someone else to pick up the tab and take the fall.
CIA-Mossad were already elbow deep in Muslims' ass puppeteering them to fight each others and / or Soviets. So they were convenient I guess.

Enter the Synthetic Terrorism that we know today.
Attacks that never targets critical infrastructures or relevant people carried out by retards known to authorities that slipped surveillance, etc etc. The usual speech.

States get more grounds to control aspects of your day-to-day.
If you were to notice, you're either a lunatic or a racist, depending on how well you present your arguments.
If you were to do anything against it, you're branded far-right / home-grown terrorist, you potentially get sent to prison and get killed by the same retards that carries out attacks on the gov's behalf.

 

[Kapros]

The more european countries clear sense of identity declines, the less the far-right can get traction.
Without far-right, you need someone else to pick up the tab and take the fall.
CIA-Mossad were already elbow deep in Muslims' ass puppeteering them to fight each others and / or Soviets. So they were convenient I guess.

Enter the Synthetic Terrorism that we know today.
Attacks that never targets critical infrastructures or relevant people carried out by retards known to authorities that slipped surveillance, etc etc. The usual speech.

States get more grounds to control aspects of your day-to-day.
If you were to notice, you're either a lunatic or a racist, depending on how well you present your arguments.
If you were to do anything against it, you're branded far-right / home-grown terrorist, you potentially get sent to prison and get killed by the same retards that carries out attacks on the gov's behalf.

I get the strategy of tension. I just don't get the timeline of how we got here - dates, names, relationships. Even just a network map of the current actors would be priceless if not potentially life-saving.

 

[Safir]

Supporting anti-communist militias and torturing/killing Communists? What exactly is bad about this program again?

It's better to torture and kill pedophiles, starting with you.

 

[isalaide]

if not potentially life-saving.

...you're saying you'll kill yourself if you don't have information which is probably not recorded anywhere, including in files which are classified?

Don't do that.

 

[Kapros]

...you're saying you'll kill yourself if you don't have information which is probably not recorded anywhere, including in files which are classified?

Don't do that.

How the hell? Absolutely not. I'm saying these programs kill people, because that's what they're designed to do, and knowing names of major public-facing actors within those programs would contribute to degrading their capability to do that. Ie, had the Atomwaffen faggots known they were joining a federal program, they likely wouldn't have joined and taken orders to kill people. There are innocent people who would be alive right now had that organization never gained any traction.

 

[isalaide]

How the hell? Absolutely not. I'm saying these programs kill people, because that's what they're designed to do, and knowing names of major public-facing actors within those programs would contribute to degrading their capability to do that. Ie, had the Atomwaffen faggots known they were joining a federal program, they likely wouldn't have joined and taken orders to kill people. There are innocent people who would be alive right now had that organization never gained any traction.

Every one of these groups is wall to wall glowies. Always has been, always will be. It is baby-glowie's-first-op level of difficulty to infiltrate them. They are all white dudes so they don't even need to get brown folks with good Urdu and Arabic on the case. Also remember Muslim communities tend to have levels of interconnection that go back to the old country, so it's substantially harder to pass a false identity in those without running the risk that someone's cousin's cousin can actually check it out. You can pass a false ID much easier amongst white guys, because white guys don't have those kind of confirmation networks.
Anecdotally there is at least one UK fash group that was wound up in the Eighties when their plod handlers realised the entire group was now composed of undercover plod.
You are not going to be able to get 'names' of current actors who are glowies/secret plod, because they are all using a solid fake ID and if they fear exposure, will ditch it and go. These 'people' mostly no longer exist. Tracing historical glowie action is not going to help. I can tell you this with some confidence because the animal rights/environmental movement have been attempting to backtrace their infiltrators for years, and have got fucking nowhere. Their attempts to prevent infiltration were so comprehensively foiled that during the legendary McLibel proceedings, Helen Steel's live-in boyfriend outed McDonalds' undercover guy in London Greenpeace, who was spying on Helen and codefendant David Morris. The McDonalds guy had been working under this cover for several years by this point. This very boyfriend was fairly recently revealed to be himself an undercover plod. Helen had no idea. Meanwhile he's blowing the cover of the other spies that she's surrounded with.
Any attempt at a 'grassroots' fash movement is going to be glowed within weeks, probably set up by a glowie tbh.
You have to assume if you are going to operate in the environment of the racialised far right that everyone you are dealing with glows, because they almost certainly do.
Your opsec needs to be a damn sight better than I suspect it is. You should be operating with as solid a false identity as you can obtain. Never meet any of them in person and never travel to any meetups that are being arranged.
Remember also if you are dealing with these people via the internet, and you live in a Five Eyes country, that even if it would be illegal for your home country to intercept your internet doings, it isn't illegal for a Five Eyes partner to do it and then hand over stuff to your home prosecution service which will be admissible against you. In short, if you are an American, do not assume Fourth Amendment protections apply, because for practical purposes they don't. GCHQ are spying on you for the NSA.
Work on the basis that everything you do can and will be used in court against you, if need be.
Tails and Tor and a burner laptop, obviously.

 

[Kapros]

You are not going to be able to get 'names' of current actors who are glowies/secret plod, because they are all using a solid fake ID and if they fear exposure, will ditch it and go. These 'people' mostly no longer exist. Tracing historical glowie action is not going to help. I can tell you this with some confidence because the animal rights/environmental movement have been attempting to backtrace their infiltrators for years, and have got fucking nowhere. Their attempts to prevent infiltration were so comprehensively foiled that during the legendary McLibel proceedings, Helen Steel's live-in boyfriend outed McDonalds' undercover guy in London Greenpeace, who was spying on Helen and codefendant David Morris. The McDonalds guy had been working under this cover for several years by this point. This very boyfriend was fairly recently revealed to be himself an undercover plod. Helen had no idea. Meanwhile he's blowing the cover of the other spies that she's surrounded with.

This is what I was asking for. I've never heard of that case until now. I knew the American environmentalist movement got seized by jewish entryism at some point last century, but that's about it. That similar has happened elsewhere hasn't really ever occurred to me, more for lack of focus on it than anything. It helps build the timeline, at least.

Any attempt at a 'grassroots' fash movement is going to be glowed within weeks, probably set up by a glowie tbh.
You have to assume if you are going to operate in the environment of the racialised far right that everyone you are dealing with glows, because they almost certainly do.
Your opsec needs to be a damn sight better than I suspect it is. You should be operating with as solid a false identity as you can obtain. Never meet any of them in person and never travel to any meetups that are being arranged.

I'm not running or involved in any fash movements. The groups I've talked about are communities - families settling and building networks among ourselves. There's no specific need for opsec in my case. I already know if feds ever want to create a case against me then they'll do so regardless of what they know or can find. Any evidence can be manufactured if it can't be found. Ultimately you and I both committed the same unforgivable crime of being gentiles. Everything else flows from that.

In any case, the question of this thread was more for academic interest, though the answers could have practical uses as well.

Remember also if you are dealing with these people via the internet, and you live in a Five Eyes country, that even if it would be illegal for your home country to intercept your internet doings, it isn't illegal for a Five Eyes partner to do it and then hand over stuff to your home prosecution service which will be admissible against you. In short, if you are an American, do not assume Fourth Amendment protections apply, because for practical purposes they don't. GCHQ are spying on you for the NSA.
Work on the basis that everything you do can and will be used in court against you, if need be.
Tails and Tor and a burner laptop, obviously.

Yeah, I know about SP0018 and its exceptions. It's not the only USSID I've read. Regardless, what I just said, if feds want to come after someone, then they will. If they want to convict you of a crime, then they will. Whether you've actually committed that crime is beside the point.