How do you think we should treat trans people? - Online and offline.

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We've been having a bit of a debate in the Keffals thread on how to act to trans people on and offline and what should be done about trans people in general. What are your thoughts on the broad topic of interacting with trans people?

Discuss.
 
You know the answer you're going to get. C'mon.

But I do them like anyone not in my circle but not threatening me or said circle. Indifferent but civil.
 
Laugh at them and don't not enable their delusions. Also a lot of them thrive on the hate, so giving them to much attention isn't a good idea either.
They just desperately need to touch grass, many trannies have hundreds of thousands tweets ffs.
 
Wormy dijo:
You know the answer you're going to get. C'mon.

But I do them like anyone not in my circle but not threatening me or said circle. Indifferent but civil.
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Why did you think this is in mass debates? :tomgirl:

I like to try and give everyone a chance IRL and online. As long as you're respectfully talking to me, we can talk. When you start throwing up red flags, that's when I start getting subtly TERFy or avoiding.

I think more research money needs to be put on what causes trans and what is the best treatment for them. Sadly, we can't do that as long as the troon lobby shrieks and forces more people into something that ultimately amounts to permanent body modification.
 
For the ones that are just mentally ill and need some help - mental hospital. For the ones who are sex perverts and child molesters - bullet to the back of the head.
 
AMHOLIO dijo:
I think more research money needs to be put on what causes trans and what is the best treatment for them. Sadly, we can't do that as long as the troon lobby shrieks and forces more people into something that ultimately amounts to permanent body modification.
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Gonna need a different approach than what you tried with the gays though. That didn't work too good.
 
You get as much respect as you're willing to give to the userbase.

If you give relevant infos and are nice, users will like you.

Keffals ex only honeydicked the userbase and never delivered.
Him demanding to be called a she on his first post was also retarded.

Some users went overboard but avocado constant is clearly a fag
 
Well if the fucking Rethuglicans hadn't defunded the mental health medical system in the 80's, we would still have state mental hospitals we could lock them all up in and conveniently forget they exist but NOOOOOOOOO Conservitards won't let us have nice things whilst simultaneously bitching about all the jobless. homeless crazies in our midst w/o a hint of irony or self-consciousness.

So ship all their asses to fucking "red states."
 
Treat the ones who have genuine gender dysphoria with medication and therapy, like every other mental illness, don't put them on irreversable hormones or let them mutilate their sexual organs.

Troons who are on a bandwagon and tyrannize random fast food workers or bitch about respecting pronouns should be ridiculed and thrown out of civilized society.
 
It may sound gay, but you should treat trans people IRL with as much respect as you would anyone else in the general politeness sense. This doesn't extend to feeding their delusions unless you want to - if you want to call an obvious male poorly disguised as a female the proper masculine terms you should and if they bitch calmly tell them it's as much your choice to do so as it is theirs and if they have any rationality they should grudgingly understand. It's not always possible, but if they can be avoided you should avoid them... it's easier that way when you don't have to interact.

Online there should be no difference from anyone else - if you want to interact on a discussion level and they don't bring up without reason, it hardly matters. If you're out to attack either for trolling or just straight up hate for troons do so in whatever way is most effective - it's the internet and the golden rule of it being just words and getting mad at the internet placing the onus on the assblasted may be getting forgotten in this bullshit "progressive" age, but it is still true. In essence they should turn off the computer or just close their eyes, nigger.

Troons on a place like KF are interesting. Discounting those coming to call everyone Nazis in 5 posts and then leave, those who actually interact with the community and stick around are pretty interesting since they know they'll be widely hated for what they are. They have my respect in the regard it isn't an attention-grabbing show like most on the internet since they will not get constant free positive reinforcement.
 
Wormy dijo:
Gonna need a different approach than what you tried with the gays though. That didn't work too good.
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I'm unsure of what you mean.

Homosexuals are like other humans in that they're mostly normal and function fine in society if left alone. They ask for few things medically (and it's all in STD prevention) and maybe have a slightly higher rate of depression and anxiety than other groups, but being attracted to your same gender doesn't change much.


Meanwhile, trans people go to long lengths both socially and medically to be seen as their gender (and sometimes they don't). Currently, trans people have several internal wars: do you need to be diagnosed with dysphoria to be trans? Is trans mental, physical, or something else?

Then there's the medical side: is HRT giving trans people the best experience? Can we monitor those who got GRS for 5 years and see what happens rather than have them drop off the map? If we allow GRS can we find a way to fucking standardize it so trans people can have a safe procedure or sue for medical malpractice if shit goes sideways? We also have insurance company problems: if being trans isn't a medical condition and you don't need certain things to be trans, why should they cover hormones or surgery?

There's cases where you talk to detransitioners and they sadly tell you they did it as to belong, to feel better about their body, or worse, because they were sexually assaulted and couldn't stand being their own gender anymore. There's more trans people than ever, but not all are trans for traditional reasons. There's a high comorbidity between trans and other mental illnesses, to the point that it's really bothersome.


I try to treat every trans person IRL and online with respect when I meet them because I assume they're struggling the same as everyone else. I hope if I do talk to them about being trans it turns out they're up to date on medical side effects and are making good choices for their mental health, and to make sure they know about the side effects of possible procedures they get.
 
Really depends on who they are and who they're trying to be.

HSTS trans like Blaire White and older FTM trans like Buck Angel, let them live however they want.

AGPs like Tranniv and 90% of the other cows on here, no quarter.

Kids, whether FTM or MTF, they can do whatever they want when they are 18, but no medical intervention for minors, and they're not the opposite sex so they can change with the other kids of their sex. And treat whatever co-morbidities are happening, obviously.
 
JamusActimus dijo:
You get as much respect as you're willing to give to the userbase.

If you give relevant infos and are nice, users will like you.

Keffals ex only honeydicked the userbase and never delivered.
Him demanding to be called a she on his first post was also retarded.

Some users went overboard but avocado constant is clearly a fag
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Nigger, please, control your dyslexia. He didn't demand shit; he just stated that he was more likely to reply if you played along with his pronoun dumbassery. Some users found themselves unable to comply with his request and instead of simply shutting the fuck up they started flinging shit like a bunch of retarded monkeys. The guy could have receipts, the guy could have been willing to share said receipts, but the rampant autism scared him away.
 
They should be required by law to wear gigantic, heavy hats that damage their neck muscles over time, that way even if they "pass" we can still tell them apart from normal people by their tilted heads and poor posture. It's the only way to make sure they don't intermix with our superior cisgender bloodlines.
 
The same way we treat schizophrenics - at arms length & medicated or institutionalized if necessary.

And never ever pretend their delusions are real, whether it's the voices a schizophrenic claims to hear or the other gender(s) a troon claims to see in the mirror.
 
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