Law House Democrats Introduce Bill to Abolish ICE - What the hell is a midterm election?

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A Democratic proposal to abolish Immigration and Customs Enforcement would shutter the agency, probe whether its agents had flouted international law, and create a special commission to rethink how the federal government handles asylum seekers and undocumented immigrants.

The text of Rep. Mark Pocan’s “Abolish ICE” bill, obtained Tuesday by The Washington Post, was sent to House Democrats as they returned from the Fourth of July recess. The legislation, still being tweaked before release, is co-sponsored by Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) and Rep. Adriano Espaillat (D-N.Y.), both of whom are immigrants.

In an interview, Pocan (D-Wis.) said the legislation would allow immigration laws to be enforced but put an end to a 15-year-old agency that had diverged from its original mission.

“The ICE brand has been so damaged by the president that it can no longer accomplish its original mission,” Pocan said. “Even ICE agents recognize that ICE doesn’t do what it was intended to.”

For months, the “abolish ICE” slogan has been increasingly embraced by left-wing activists and insurgent Democratic candidates for Congress. On June 25, after days of news stories about immigrant families being separated in detention centers, Pocan said he would introduce a bill to end ICE. One day later, Democratic congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez scored a primary upset in New York, dramatically raising the profile of the ICE issue.

While Republicans have conflated “abolish ICE” with a campaign to create “open borders,” Pocan’s legislation would not alter the nation’s immigration laws. If passed, the bill would sunset ICE within one year, and immediately create a bipartisan group to work out a replacement.

The White House would have no role in the group, which would consist of eight members appointed by congressional leaders and minority party leaders, and nine members from the “major civil society and immigrants’ rights organizations and individuals directly impacted by ICE practices.”

That group would be required to “identify all essential functions of ICE that uphold the Constitution,” then “identify the appropriate federal agencies that shall be tasked with executing activities such as combating financial crimes, cybercrimes, trade fraud, human trafficking and drug smuggling.” It would be up to the commission to “approve the agency’s suitability for that function based on such agency’s track record of transparency.”

The legislation also would ensure that “total federal employment is not reduced with the abolition of ICE” but would prioritize jobs that deal with the “legal, health, and social-service needs of detained individuals.” And it would give the commission a kind of “truth and reconciliation” mission, asking it to study “failures to comply with congressional oversight requirements, violations of constitutional protections and U.S. laws, failures to comply with agency policies and directives, violations of human rights, and any other longstanding patterns of medical neglect, solitary confinement, wrongful death, and other abuses for which ICE is wholly or partially responsible.”

After reviewing the main points of the bill, several advocates for abolishing ICE said Pocan had addressed most of their concerns.

“What we don’t want is to end one bad agency to create or empower another bad one,” said Angel Padilla, the national policy director of Indivisible. “But what’s almost more important than what’s in it is recognizing what it represents — sending a signal that ICE itself is a rogue agency that operates with impunity, and we need to get rid of it. We need to get out of this enforcement culture that we’ve created.”

Sean McElwee, co-founder of Data for Progress and originator of the “Abolish ICE” slogan, said he was “pleasantly surprised” by what Pocan came up with.

“Now that we have a clear consensus that ICE must be abolished, it’s time for a discussion about a humane enforcement system,” McElwee said. “That means ending the criminalization of migration, creating a fast path to citizenship, limiting the scope of CBP’s enforcement and ending our inhumane immigrant detention system. The existence of the legislation proves that within the Democratic Party there is some interest in moving away from pandering to white supremacy.”

But not all Democrats are unified on the ICE question. After Ocasio-Cortez’s victory, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus compiled talking points on immigration reform that stopped short of calling for an end to ICE. On Tuesday, more than 100 local and state officials also released a statement calling for the abolition of ICE, including Oakland, Calif., Mayor Libby Schaaf (D) and Chokwe Antar Lumumba (D), the mayor of Jackson, Miss.

Pocan played down Democratic divisions on the issue, saying there was broad consensus around the idea that ICE was not operating as initially intended.

“The question is: ‘What is the best way to deal with that problem?,’ ” he said. “Our contention is right now they’re not able to go after hardcore MS-13 gang members because they’re focused on the person who just got the speeding ticket.”
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I actually didn't think that they'd seriously fall for the "abolishing ICE is a guaranteed way to win votes" ploy, but apparently I was mistaken. They actually are stupid enough to try and do that, holy shit. So that's their plan for the midterms, is it? Abolish ICE, impeach Trump, raise taxes, and open the borders.

Jesus Christ, good luck.
 
If they really wanted to boost their favor they should have introduced a bill to abolish the completely useless TSA.
 
Soo they want to abolish ICE but make a new thing that carries out the "essential functions" of ICE? So they want to waste everyone's time for no fucking reason? Supporters of abolishing ICE who can read are going to be really upset.
Well they also want to see if ICE has broken international law, which their carefully-crafted totally nonpartisan board will just happen to find enough evidence for and it will lead upstream and be able to Impeach Trump, right?
 
I can see the argument that the current implementation of ICE is so rife with abuses that the only good option is to replace it. People talk about the policy of seperating children, but that's just the tip of the iceberg here. Some children they had in custody just disappeared, presumably to the human traffickers that ICE is supposed to protect the country against. Sexual misconduct against the detained immigrants is also running rampant right now.

Whether they can get this to pass largely depends on how many US voters view immigration as an important issue. I don't think the Democrats really want to change the way that immigration works, this whole bill is just a carrot on a stick to get the more progressive wing out to vote after they ditched Hillary en masse in 2016. They want mass immigration to continue, but they also want immigrants to still be second class citizens that can be thrown back into the criminal desert hellzone at any moment if they refuse to work for scraps. And a powerful immigration law enforcement agency like ICE is an essential part of that.
 
It seems to be saying that it would consist of 4 Republicans, 4 Democrats and 9 activists. The idea to start the timer now and hope they can create a replacement before then is well, I'd say :optimistic: but it's obviously meant to fail.

Those activists are probably all democrat anyway, so it's actually 4+9 vs 4. Bipartisan my ass.
 
Those activists are probably all democrat anyway, so it's actually 4+9 vs 4. Bipartisan my ass.
I probably should've put "bipartisan" in quotes then. Cause this committee will probably wind up being part of the witch hunt or something
 
While Republicans have conflated “abolish ICE” with a campaign to create “open borders,” Pocan’s legislation would not alter the nation’s immigration laws.

That means ending the criminalization of migration, creating a fast path to citizenship, limiting the scope of CBP’s enforcement and ending our inhumane immigrant detention system.

Y'know, it's the Washington Post so expectations can't be too high. But they literally claim "abolish ICE" isn't about open borders and then interview a leader of the "abolish ICE" campaign saying it's about open borders. Did they actually read their own article?
 
After fucking up the 2016 election by not only focusing exclusively on the presidency, which they botched by rigging the primaries, they thought this was how to go about it? By introducing new rules to remove Bernie's eligibility and attacking elements with considerable bipartisan support, like Kavanaugh and ICE?

Always rely upon the Democratic Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
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Why do democrats need a bill to get rid of ice? I thought their global warming was doing a damn fine job?
 
Those activists are probably all democrat anyway, so it's actually 4+9 vs 4. Bipartisan my ass.

I just dig the implication of the activist-majority being made up of the "individuals directly impacted by ICE practices". It implies that illegals should decide the nature of this new agency, very nice, but because the left has turned into a slapstick routine we'd probably end up with plantation sweatshop owners getting their seat at the table.
 
One of the biggest reasons people wanted Trump is because he would pull the rug out from under the political establishment and he's done just that. Not even two years into his term and the opposing party is nearing crisis. You can't tell me the Democrats would be either about to be torn apart or go through a total reform if Ted Cruz were in the White House.

If they want to have a chance again they need to find a place that's neither corporate shilling nor the hysterical far left. This abolish ICE nonsense--that even Bernie Sanders doesn't support--is just going to give Republicans a super majority in November.
 
i dunno...

I think this was a surprisingly crafty move by the democrats for once. Its win win

They know it will never get thru the GoP Congress in a million years so they have zero risk of actually have to do shit.

And they get to point the finger of blame at the dirty evil Republicans for stopping the wokeness and makes for more MSM fapping articles.

Annnnnd they get to jack off those loudest supporters, the IdPol SJW types who are increasing the majority of Democrats.

Not a bad move surprisingly.
See, it may SEEM like a win win for the democrats, appeasing their progressive REEEEing cows without having to actually do anything, but there are two problems with that.

1.) If the republicans veto this bill, the progressives will be pissed at the democrats, because they already HATE republicans. This will only tell progressive voters that they need even more extremist candidates to push their agenda through. or
1b.) the republicans pass this bill through the house and senate, let trump veto it, and the progressives all REEE at trump, a man they already hate, and still turn on the democrats for not being 'woke'enough to get this passed, or
1c.) republicans let this through, trump signs it, uses it to abolish the ICE and instead institute either a new agency or assign the tasks to existing agencies, increasing efficiency and cutting down on abuse cases. Trump can then say he used this to cut down on the abuse from obama's ICE/save money on border enforcement helping to drain the swamp/both. Trump supporters see this as a victory, because more illegals are getting deported, and progressives get BTFOd because they helped trump.

And 2.) if the democrats really start pushing for this no borders bullshit, they will lose the moderate vote. The moderates are much more likely to say yes on tighter enforcement, and even these who think enforcement is too tight dont want the ICE to be completely dumped. Without these voters, the democrats will hgo from getting destroyed in the 2018 elections to getting ass-raped. And that will absolutely extend into 2020.

The business democrats are already leaning trump because they like lower taxes, and the democrats RAISE ALL TAXES is scaring them away, this open borders virtue signalling is going to alienate the moderate centralist voters and let the republicans solidify more power.
 
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“Here’s our Abolish ICE bill, Mr. Speaker. We demand that you put it on the floor and call a vote.”
“Okay, let’s call a vote.”
“We will not partake in this shameless political stunt of yours."


Oh for the love of God.
 
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“Here’s our Abolish ICE bill, Mr. Speaker. We demand that you put it on the floor and call a vote.”
“Okay, let’s call a vote.”
“We will not partake in this shameless political stunt of yours."


Oh for the love of God.

This is the kind of doublethink I'm sure even George Orwell would find confusing.

They don't want to be party to a political stunt, but they choose to perform one if they get what they want and have their bill put up to a vote.

And said political stunt will accomplish jack and shit.

I assume they plan to do a long and very cliched filibuster over this, but in the absence of legislation, it's toothless to affect anything, and only the paint chip eaters in Congress and whoever is bored enough to habitually binge watch C-SPAN are gonna care.

And they are fooling no one, they know this bill will die in an actual vote, and are flouncing cause they full well know it.
 
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“Here’s our Abolish ICE bill, Mr. Speaker. We demand that you put it on the floor and call a vote.”
“Okay, let’s call a vote.”
“We will not partake in this shameless political stunt of yours."


Oh for the love of God.
So he called their fucking bluff, and the Democrats showed they are completely fucking spineless. Now, if they vote no, the progressive part of the party will behead them for betraying their party and becoming trump loving nazis, but if they vote yes, they will earn the ire of all other democrats for going against the group-think.

:gold::story::gold:

SJWs, never once.
 
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