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Since the last thread focused on horror literature was immediately derailed by off-topic autism, then promptly died, let’s give it another shot. I’ve grouped together literature and comics here - this thread is for horror on the printed page.

Discuss what you are reading now, what you’ve read recently, and what is down the line. Here are a few questions to prompt discussion beyond, “I read this book, it was scary.”

- Which classic horror author has held up the best over time? Which has aged the worst? (Think Poe, Lovecraft, Shirley Jackson, Algernon Blackwood, Arthur Machen, etc.)

- Which contemporary author is writing the best work currently? Who has fallen off the wagon?

- What’s the most overrated work of horror literature/horror comics? What’s the most underrated?

- Do you write horror stories? What’s your favorite topic/theme/monster to write about?
 
Currently Reading:
I am now between books.

Just Read:
The Searching Dead by Ramsey Campbell: This novel is the start of Campbell’s Three Births of Daoloth trilogy. It focuses on protagonist Dominic’s Sheldrakes entry to adolescence against the looming, cosmic backdrop of an occult conspiracy. It’s certainly not Campbell’s scariest or best work, but it does show the finesse of an author who has fully established his style. In particular, I think he carries on a particular narrative style in the Lovecraftian tradition, that of horror’s gradual emergence. Sheldrake’s apprehension of the truth is paced similarly to the Gardner family’s tribulations in “The Colour Out of Space,” especially their inability to deal with their situation because of their confinement within the social mores of the time. I was more drawn to the tension of manners and custom in post-War Britain than the horror story itself. Overall, worth a read if you have the time.

The n-Body Problem by Tony Burgess: This short, transgressive novel probably achieves exactly what its author sets out to do: disgust and confuse the reader. There’s something about Canadian authors, it reminds me of Elliott Gish’s Grey Dog. Both works are stylistically impressive, even exemplary, but everything else is repulsive, like polished turds turned into novels. Burgess’ novel frames the zombie apocalypse as a waste disposal problem, in which the aimless hordes of harmless undead are jettisoned into outer space, only to return to Earth’s orbit, blotting out the sun and driving everybody crazy. This premise, and its resulting imagery, serve the apocalypse well, but everything else is salacious garbage that only a 13 year-old would find entertaining. Just like Grey Dog, it reads like the author wrote this to expose the world to their bizarre fetishes.

Plan to Read:
Idk yet, I’ll probably intersperse my novel reading with some short stories, probably Clive Barker or Nathan Ballingrud.
 
Última edición:
As it is spooky season I've decided to get off my ass and actually read through some more books I've been sitting on for a few years. Going to start with either Clive Barker's Books of Blood or dive back into a full collection of Robert E Howard's horror stories for that pulpy feel.

- Which classic horror author has held up the best over time? Which has aged the worst? (Think Poe, Lovecraft, Shirley Jackson, Algernon Blackwood, Arthur Machen, etc.)
If you accept him as "classic" I recommend Ambrose Bierce every chance I can. He has a really easy style of writing to read which is well appreciated when Lovecraft and the like can turn a sentence or two into a flowery five page essay.
 
- Do you write horror stories? What’s your favorite topic/theme/monster to write about?
I wrote this short story. It was scary. Jokes aside, I'm facing a writer's block that I'm hoping to fix before Secret Santa since I love creative writing for others. My favorite horror topics to write are paranormal, murder mystery, suspense, etc. when I'm not doing dull slice of life slop. My writer's block may go away one day, but I get frustrated due to being perfectionistic and give up before hopping to the next topic. But when I do feel satisfied, I really do feel happy of what I write.
 
I recommend Ambrose Bierce
Yes, I agree. Can Such Things Be? is a superb collection of short stories. I most enjoy “Haïta the Shepherd” and “An Inhabitant of Carcosa” for laying the groundwork for Chambers, The King in Yellow, and the entire Carcosa Mythos. Now that Lovecraftian horror has a life of its own, I’m more drawn to Carcosa as a parallel source of cosmic horror.

My writer's block may go away one day, but I get frustrated due to being perfectionistic and give up before hopping to the next topic.
Well, what do you want to work on now? I feel you with getting stuck. I’ve been jumping between three long fiction ideas for years now, never having the resolve to bolt in on one, but I feel like I’m making progress on writing a horror TTRPG handbook.
 
Well, what do you want to work on now? I feel you with getting stuck. I’ve been jumping between three long fiction ideas for years now, never having the resolve to bolt in on one, but I feel like I’m making progress on writing a horror TTRPG handbook.
I jump around back and forth. Honestly that's a good question. I was considering doing a cliche where someone moves into an old house, only for it to shift into paranormal. Just something I thought would be fun as he explores the old Victorian manor, only to find out something isn't too right

I also considered doing horror in a historical setting. But it felt like it would go too far into politisperging. Even though I hate political beliefs being inserted, and avoid inserting my own, I was a little paranoid of it coming off that way. The idea was for a Korean shaman hiding from Japanese soldiers around the end of WW2, which slowly transitions to hiding from the KPA during the divide of Korea, and fleeing to the South. The horror was supposed to come from the suspense and his terrifying visions. Had no idea whether to include both, or just focus on him fleeing the North. Had a good idea how the character was supposed to be personality wise too. Really friendly middle aged guy, if not lonesome.

It's still in the early stages where I have the idea, but I'm conflicted. Better start writing it out at one point or another. The visions were supposed to be a huge part of the horror of what could happen. It's a little silly though.
 
I also considered doing horror in a historical setting. But it felt like it would go too far into politisperging. Even though I hate political beliefs being inserted, and avoid inserting my own, I was a little paranoid of it coming off that way.
Does what you think or feel actually matter here? It is the reader’s job to evaluate and judge what’s on the page. You’re presenting them with a unique vision of the world’s horrors, whatever they may be. Give them what you want, and let them take what they want.
The idea was for a Korean shaman hiding from Japanese soldiers around the end of WW2, which slowly transitions to hiding from the KPA during the divide of Korea, and fleeing to the South.
Going from the previous point, what if you had a third section that dealt with the terror of post-War South Korea. That place was fucked, both after WW2 and the Korean War. Politically, there was probably not a single good place for most people to be in the Korean Peninsula during the middle 20th century. I could see somewhere like Jeju Island after the 1948-1949 rebellion being a terrifying setting. The center of South Korean government terror, made all the more terrifying by the character’s supernatural visions.
The horror was supposed to come from the suspense and his terrifying visions. Had no idea whether to include both, or just focus on him fleeing the North. Had a good idea how the character was supposed to be personality wise too. Really friendly middle aged guy, if not lonesome.
So here’s a big question - why do people hunt him? Is it out of hatred, or does his shamanic power give him desirable knowledge? The latter sounds compelling to me.

Just a few thoughts that came to my mind tonight.
 
Going from the previous point, what if you had a third section that dealt with the terror of post-War South Korea. That place was fucked, both after WW2 and the Korean War. Politically, there was probably not a single good place for most people to be in the Korean Peninsula during the middle 20th century. I could see somewhere like Jeju Island after the 1948-1949 rebellion being a terrifying setting. The center of South Korean government terror, made all the more terrifying by the character’s supernatural visions.
I considered that too! No matter where he goes he's in deep shit until he finally flees the Korean Peninsula and Asia in general. I think he would miss the Jeju Island stuff since he's born in the North before the division. You do have some good ideas imo.
So here’s a big question - why do people hunt him? Is it out of hatred, or does his shamanic power give him desirable knowledge? The latter sounds compelling to me.
I'm still thinking on this to be fair. I was thinking more the former than latter. For the North Korean part, it's because of state atheistic policy. I can see the Japs in the first segment for the desirable knowledge. I think the KPA and PVA would find it easier to kill him. He's a bit of a wily guy, and can be seen as troublesome by some. In the South, I think the motivation for them to arrest him would be that he's from the North, but I think also knowing about his visions would motivate them. While the North and South were usually superstitious, the South was much more so with their politicians back then and to this day still using shamans. So basically the jap garrisons want him for his visions and simply because he's troublesome, the north wants him killed for his religious beliefs and defiance, and the south wants him for his visions (again) and suspicion about him being from the North.

Basically I think everyone North, South, and Japs had their own idea on what to do with him. Since he's middle aged and remembers Korea before Japan, he was 100% defiant to them after the treaties that signed Korea away to them.
 
- Which classic horror author has held up the best over time? Which has aged the worst? (Think Poe, Lovecraft, Shirley Jackson, Algernon Blackwood, Arthur Machen, etc.)
Honestly, the real classics have held up, but I suspect the dropping literacy rates will cause plenty of people to shun classic horror due to the prose.

Who's fallen off? Hard to say. I'd probably say, maybe, Richard Matheson. His prime period of the 50s-70s has a great rep, but I don't hear much good about the horror he wrote in the 80s-00s.
- Which contemporary author is writing the best work currently? Who has fallen off the wagon?
Dunno. I think the only living horror writers I may have any interest in would be Dan Simmons, Ramsey Campbell, and Joe Lansdale. Only finished Song of Kali so far.
- What’s the most overrated work of horror literature/horror comics? What’s the most underrated?
Overrated would be Frankenstein and solely because retards won't shut up about how it was written by a woman.

Underrated? Probably Henry Kuttner, for my money. He's famous as the "neglected master" of SF-F, but he has quite a solid range of classic horror.
- Do you write horror stories? What’s your favorite topic/theme/monster to write about?
Horror is my favorite "duo-genre". I don't necessarily like it on its own, but if it's combining into sci-fi/fantasy/crime/etc. then I'm all in.

You know what's kinda wild to me? Robert Bloch being largely out of print from the late 90s until last December when Valancourt started re-releasing his work. He was quite a major horror figure of the 20th century and a Lovecraft Circle member. His work's solidly enjoyable.

Also, as for under-appreciated horror, I'll toss in Manly Wade Wellman. He's always a good time.

As for writing, I don't do much of it with horror. I find it tricky to do what I want to do and I suspect it's because I'm not nearly as familiar with horror as I want to be.
 
Horror is my favorite "duo-genre". I don't necessarily like it on its own, but if it's combining into sci-fi/fantasy/crime/etc. then I'm all in.
Man, I love combining fantasy and horror. I’d love to see more of it, but maybe I’m just not looking hard enough. If anyone’s got suggestions, hit me.
I’ve also tried writing it before, to varying degrees of success. My main project right now is a fantasy noir with cosmic/eldritch horror mixed in. I’m just a bit nervous about sharing too many details in public. Especially on KF, no offense.
 
Man, I love combining fantasy and horror. I’d love to see more of it, but maybe I’m just not looking hard enough. If anyone’s got suggestions, hit me.
I’ve also tried writing it before, to varying degrees of success. My main project right now is a fantasy noir with cosmic/eldritch horror mixed in. I’m just a bit nervous about sharing too many details in public. Especially on KF, no offense.
Read more Clark Ashton Smith, and other Lovecraft Circle members and the initial waves of Lovecraftian Mythos writers from the paperbacks of the 60s-80s.

Also, try The Black Company books by Glen Cook. It's the original dark military fantasy with plenty of strange dark gods and horrors of war.

as for horror itself? Robert E. Howard's horror is great shit.

There's plenty of fantasy/horror blends, but you'll have to dig through a lot of crap.
 
Manly Wade Wellman and Henry Kuttner
Thanks for recommending these - I have some of their works in my epub backlog but have yet to start them. Any specific stories you like for an afternoon read? I’ve read “The Golgotha Dancers” before.
The Terror is an all-absorbing novel. You might get on an Arctic exploration kick during and after reading it. I did. Hyperion is one of those books I have started about six times but can never get very far into (but that’s outside the proper scope of horror).
 
Thanks for recommending these - I have some of their works in my epub backlog but have yet to start them. Any specific stories you like for an afternoon read? I’ve read “The Golgotha Dancers” before.

The Terror is an all-absorbing novel. You might get on an Arctic exploration kick during and after reading it. I did. Hyperion is one of those books I have started about six times but can never get very far into (but that’s outside the proper scope of horror).
Both have extensive bibliographies. Kuttner died suddenly in '58. He's pretty well-rounded, but I'd probably recommend his Cthulu Mythos stuff he did. I vaguely remember one about Rats. Kuttner had been working since the '30s and was married to fellow writer, C. L. Moore (also known for being a Lovecraft Circle member). They collaborated on tons of works after their marriage, under many shared pennames. I'd honestly say you can't go wrong with Kuttner (and his wife). Check out all their work, a decent portion of it is horror.

Wellman was, if I recall, one of the big Weird Tales writers who helmed the pulp mag after the big trio's era (Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Clark Ashton Smith. Lovecraft/Howard died. Smith kinda just stopped writing for the pulps after a point). Wellman's best known for John the Balladeer, the inspiration for DND's Druid/Bard classes. He's also been described as "The American Tolkein" because he studied and preserved American folktale traditions (specifically Appalachia). He's capable of spinning good horror just as much as he's able to spin a fine adventure.

There's a John the Balladeer story that Wellman wrote that was certainly strange and mystical. "On the Hills and Everywhere". The story isn't really horror, but it captures the country "weirdness" very well. I certainly didn't expect that twist.

Wellman was writing almost until the day he died. His last work was a historical adventure novel, "Cahena". You can still find some of his public domain stuff if you look. "John the Balladeer" is in print from Valancourt books, if you want an affordable modern copy of that short fiction collection. Haffner Press, a small press, has a really luxurious set of the complete John the Balladeer stories in two volumes, but it's a c-note for that.

There's also the John Thunstone, Judge Pursuivant, and other Wellman characters. His heroes are usually the kind of good heroic men. His villains are scumbags who get in over their heads. Wellman was one of those guys that used occult detectives often. Judge Pursuivant was one, but Thunstone was probably his second most used one. John the Balladeer and John Thunstone were two series characters that Wellman would return to in his old age in the '80s.

Anyways, speaking of Horror, I gotta recommend you go check out the old Weird Tales pulp magazine. It started in the 1920s and was home to so many great writers (Ray Bradbury, Tennesee Williams, etc.) and characters and has somehow returned in some form repeatedly. There's like 4-5 different omnibus collections of famous stories from the magazine. The first run from the 20s-50s is easily findable on archives.

Also, go check out Seabury Quinn. He wrote an occult detective series about Jules de Grandin from the 20s-50s. It's not the absolute greatest, but they're fun tales. Quinn also wrote "Roads" and a bunch of other work. This writer got lambasted by people for being a tad formulaic, but I can easily tell you that he's enjoyable. All of the Jules de Grandin works are collected in a big 5 volume set.
 
by the way, check out all the contemporary pulps that were rivals to Weird Tales. Lots of good shit.
Yeah, I am having fun looking through the archives for interesting issues of various pulps now. Until I have fresh material to discuss with the thread, here’s another general question worth discussion:

Which do you prefer more, short-form or long-form horror stories?

Better yet, which one is superior?
 
Highly suggest Dark Harvest by Norman Partridge. Proper spooky shit. Very halloweeny. Good audiobook.

Anyone got any suggestions for spooky halloween books that aren't super fucking gay?
 
Zelazny’s last book, “A Night in the Lonesome October,” is one of my top 5 Halloween reads. It’s fun like a haunted house, and narrated by Jack the Ripper’s dog as he interacts with a number of horror icons and their familiars as everyone races to conduct a dark ritual to appease the old gods.
 
If you’re a fan of sci-fi and horror (and some comedy) then I can’t recommend Peter Clines enough. His books 14 and The Fold and are probably two of my favorite books I’ve ever read. There’s existential horror and body horror, and he definitely takes a lot of inspiration from Lovecraft when it comes to the monsters and environments that he wonderfully strings together

Sorry they’re not exactly the spookiest of recommendations but I can promise they’re 100% worth the read
 
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