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[Kofi Drinka]

So yeah, they're some kind of extra-dimensional demonic beings, but whether or not people want to consider them actual demons from hell is open to interpretation.

They're corrupted humans sent to Hell and tormented so hard they became torturers themselves. Pinhead is a priest who leads and creates other cenobites. In the 2nd film they have their demonic powers sucked out of them and return to their human form. 3 has Pinhead performing a black mass and mocking God, so heaven must exist in some form.

Demons do exist, one possesses a girl's corpse in the 4th film. But she doesn't take on a cenobite form until Pinhead meets her.

The later films are really trippy and it's hard to tell what is real and isn't. They're early 2000s psycho sexual noir thrillers and I like that. The first 2 films are great for effects but Barker can't write an ending. 3 is the best one but a goofy and bad ending. 4 is IN SPACE and a pre-quel mixed together so you know it jumped the shark. 5 and beyond are like Silent Hill but Pinhead doesn't fit the stories and he often makes them worse by existing. But you can look past a 3 minute cameo of him.

 

[VasonJoorhees]

Just finished "Obsession" and I recommend it.

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The girl who played Nikki really nailed being what seemed like severe bi-polar. Most of the time in movies when someone acts crazy it's just big eyes, labored breathing, and being slightly confused.
It's another take on the monkeys paw story but it's just done really well.

It's been a while since I left a theater and felt like it was worth it.

Yeah I went into it blind not knowing people were raving about it and I'd recommend it as well. Horror movies usually don't do much for me but I found it deeply unsettling and creepy and I'll explain why in the spoiler:

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The scenes with usage of reverse motion to make Nikki move in an inhuman floaty way genuinely scared the fuck out of me. When she was making long strides backwards into the kitchen out of nowhere or at the end of the movie when she was walking along the shades in a Tim Burtone-esque stop motion style... goddamn. Also the scene where she was crying in the corner of the bedroom and the shadow casting over her face made her look like this grimacing shrieking demon. Yeah, we might be sleeping hiding under the blankets tonight fellas lol

Anyone who's a horror fan, you must watch. It's actually scary.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

The only truly great horror film is Alien. None of the films with demons/spirits are good because they are written by people who don't actually believe in those things and therefore know nothing about them.

I will admit I liked the Vincent Price films but they were campy and not trying to be serious horror.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

The only truly great horror film is Alien. None of the films with demons/spirits are good because they are written by people who don't actually believe in those things and therefore know nothing about them.

I will admit I liked the Vincent Price films but they were campy and not trying to be serious horror.

Not many people working on Alien believed in penis aliens coming to rape them either. What a retarded idea.

 

[strumpets exeunt]

None of the films with demons/spirits are good because they are written by people who don't actually believe in those things and therefore know nothing about them.

William Friedkin just messaged me from the Jewish afterlife he didn't believe in. He wants me to tell you that you're retarded.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

When did we get to the point where Hellraiser is a conservative piece of media?

they're demons and they're the bad guys
might as well be an episode of The 700 Club for a lot of people's standards

Even Japanese and French twitter thinks it weird how American media make demons poor oppressed minorities in the last 10 years.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

I consider minorities to be irredeemable demons, and yet I still think those shows are trash.

 

[SofondaCox]

When I found out they gave the Pinhead role to a troon that was the end of my interest. The Hellbound Heart was such an amazing set of stories, I don't want to see it sullied by dipshittery. Is it worth bothering with?

Mr. B. Gone was so graphically grossout homosexual I couldn't finish it. Not actually horror, more like incredibly gay splatterpunk.

 

[Beelzebub's Lawyer]

But 4 is the only one that tried to subvert expectations in the way the original did.

To me, 4 is the only one other than the 1st one that can be considered good.
I don't know why people hate it.

Iconic characters are iconic because of their legacy

This is one of my linguistic pet peeves, calling things that are brand new "iconic".
Iconic means something that lasts and stands the test of time and becomes a template in the future.
Just because you like something in the moment doesn't make it iconic.

My favorite movies are urban legend and American psycho, because I get to see Jared leto die.

Well then, why did you pick Urban Legend?
SPOILER!!!
He doesn't die in that one, he lives and gets the girl at the end.
That's the happiest ending he ever got in any of his movies.

They were created by Leviathan, the demonic entity that rules the Labyrinth. It's not really explicitly stated whether or not the Labyrinth is a part of christian hell, or something that inspired christian hell.

The way they present the "demon realm" in Hellraiser 2, it's clearly hell and Leviathan is supposed to be the boss... so the devil... but then he turns into the box... I honestly don't know if the filmmakers knew where they were going with that one, I think they just wanted a cool visual for the end of the movie.
But we see the evil dude from the 1st one having his own eternal punishment so it's hell.
By the way, I'm not counting anything after 2 as canon because the movies just got stupid after that... but even those confirm that it's hell... kind of... because in 4, there's a "princess of hell" and she talks to Pinhead as if her dad is his boss.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

When I found out they gave the Pinhead role to a troon that was the end of my interest. The Hellbound Heart was such an amazing set of stories, I don't want to see it sullied by dipshittery. Is it worth bothering with?

Mr. B. Gone was so graphically grossout homosexual I couldn't finish it. Not actually horror, more like incredibly gay splatterpunk.

I didn't know they made Pinhead a tranny. I'd always heard they had made him a woman but no one watched the film so no one ever picked up on it lol.

The way they present the "demon realm" in Hellraiser 2, it's clearly hell and Leviathan is supposed to be the boss... so the devil... but then he turns into the box... I honestly don't know if the filmmakers knew where they were going with that one, I think they just wanted a cool visual for the end of the movie.

The maze like structure isn't very Hell like. It's trippy 80's visuals. And it's disappointing they never expand on it, or at least haven't where I'm at in the series now. Hellraiser really needed to spin into a different direction and it failed.

The princess of Hell thing is right but.. wrong? It's stated that when Angelica (name maybe wrong) came from Hell to Earth it was a chaotic place where chaos was king. There was a change in leadership which is why the Cenobites are more orderly in their methods. She is called Princess and acts like she's on par with Pinhead, but we don't know if that's because she is on par with him or if it's because she's from "the chaos" era where everyone was on par. Some people think they're flirty with each other but the original script had them more at odds.

 

[Beelzebub's Lawyer]

There was a change in leadership which is why the Cenobites are more orderly in their methods.

The way I saw it, Cenobites were kind of like hell bureaucracy.
I got reminded at times of how the world of Terry Gilliam's Brazil worked when pencil pushers completely took over society.

I honestly think that Hellraiser 4 came out way too early for it's own good because that shit should have been a streaming show with all the plot they tried to cram into it.
Nothing was fleshed out or resolved beyond Pinhead getting defeated in the end.
Each one of the time periods had enough ideas to make a whole season out of it.
At the very least, they needed a 3 hour movie like that Cloud Atlas movie to flesh things out a little bit.

 

[Soupalognon Y Crouton]

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Even Japanese and French twitter thinks it weird how American media make demons poor oppressed minorities in the last 10 years.

Wasn't the DMC "anime" made by a pajeet ? You know what else was made by a pajeet? Velma. Would still consider it American still ?

 

[Kofi Drinka]

The way I saw it, Cenobites were kind of like hell bureaucracy.
I got reminded at times of how the world of Terry Gilliam's Brazil worked when pencil pushers completely took over society.

I honestly think that Hellraiser 4 came out way too early for it's own good because that shit should have been a streaming show with all the plot they tried to cram into it.
Nothing was fleshed out or resolved beyond Pinhead getting defeated in the end.
Each one of the time periods had enough ideas to make a whole season out of it.
At the very least, they needed a 3 hour movie like that Cloud Atlas movie to flesh things out a little bit.

Any horror movie going to SPPPAACCEEE has jumped the shark. I liked the middle arc of the movie and thought it was interesting but the flashbacks and the space stuff screamed horror desperate for a release. Hellraiser is best when it's a modern (lol) psychological horror. Where the people involved don't know what is real and isn't. Where pleasure (lust) and pain (punishment) blend into each other. Are they dead? Are demons real? Did they make a deal with the demons? Who killed the hooker they just fucked, but why is she still alive? All of this works great with the cenobites. It's just an obvious cash grab after the first 3 because the 3rd clearly cost a lot of money and underperformed so the name became something you attached to other concepts to drum up rentals. None of which I've seen have been bad movies, but none of them needed Pinhead. Any cursed object or no object would have fit just as well.

 

[Beelzebub's Lawyer]

Hellraiser is best when it's a modern (lol) psychological horror. Where the people involved don't know what is real and isn't. Where pleasure (lust) and pain (punishment) blend into each other. Are they dead? Are demons real? Did they make a deal with the demons? Who killed the hooker they just fucked, but why is she still alive?

That's kind of what 5 and 6 are which I like.

so the name became something you attached to other concepts to drum up rentals.

I didn't mind that but after 6, they got bad.
With 7, I'm still trying to remember what the fuck the plot of that even was and 8.... what the fuck even?
That was just a really bad 2000's slasher movie which is only notable because a teenage Henry Cavill is in it.

And what about that found footage one where they didn't bother to hire Doug Bradley as Pinhead and they had some fuck take on the role?

 

[Kofi Drinka]

That's kind of what 5 and 6 are which I like.

I didn't mind that but after 6, they got bad.
With 7, I'm still trying to remember what the fuck the plot of that even was and 8.... what the fuck even?
That was just a really bad 2000's slasher movie which is only notable because a teenage Henry Cavill is in it.

And what about that found footage one where they didn't bother to hire Doug Bradley as Pinhead and they had some fuck take on the role?

You're way ahead of me now.

A found footage hellraiser could have worked though. Think blair witch 2 where something terrible happened and the cast have to find out what. As the footage unravels the mystery it starts to show creepy figures watching them. Eventually ending with the full reveal of Pinhead having set up the whole scenario.

Spoiler: mid movie spoilers

Looping the investigation over and over as a method of torture.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Would still consider it American still ?

Please avoid discussing unrelated topics. However, I will address your question: yes, consider Indian-produced shows in Hollywood as American media. Hollywood and the military-industrial complex are closely connected. India is increasingly associated with the influential global ruling class, similar to the role Israel plays in current geopolitics in America. Indian propaganda is just American as Israeli propaganda. Both are made with American tax money.

 

[Soupalognon Y Crouton]

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=uekYmgR8XWwhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Bn-IafaLAPlease avoid discussing unrelated topics. However, I will address your question: yes, consider Indian-produced shows in Hollywood as American media. Hollywood and the military-industrial complex are closely connected. India is increasingly associated with the influential global ruling class, similar to the role Israel plays in current geopolitics in America. Indian propaganda is just American as Israeli propaganda. Both are made with American tax money.

Fair enough, sorry about that.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Fear enough, sorry about that.

Hey it’s cool man. It’s not like everything related to India and Indians aren’t horror related to be fair.

 

[Brain Problems]

I always thought the issue with Hellraiser 4 was that the script and production was chopped and butchered and the original idea/director's cut was actually considered to be quite good, especially compared to what we got? Or maybe I'm misremembering.

Also, I'm surprised I'm not the only one here that had above average memories of the 2000s direct-to-dvd Hellraiser noir films. The one with Liz Lemon's boston boyfriend I recall was pretty good and a half-decent "we've got Jacob's Ladder at home" vibe.

 

[Beelzebub's Lawyer]

Think blair witch 2 where something terrible happened and the cast have to find out what

Without spoiling, that's kind of what the movie is. It's far from the worst entry, people mostly hate it because Pinhead is played by some guy who doesn't have much screen presence.

And also, I like BWP2 way more than the 1st one.
There are actual characters, it's a neat little time capsule of the pre-9/11 "goth" subculture, it's not boring as fuck (even if you don't like it, it can be enjoyed as "so bad it's good").

I'm surprised I'm not the only one here that had above average memories of the 2000s direct-to-dvd Hellraiser noir films

5 and 6 are better than 3 and 4.

I always thought the issue with Hellraiser 4 was that the script and production was chopped and butchered

I think it was too ambitious for what they had to work with budget wise.