HBO’s Watchmen - NOTHING EVER ENDS...Except When It Should

[King Kobra]

Me after watching the first episode:

It seems that the best adaptation of a Moore's work still remain this

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

There also this article about defending the KKK but yeah it was mostly a red scare newspaper.

Whats funny is that Moore intended for Rorschach to be fairly repugnant, but still made him a deeply sympathetic character through his moralism and tragedy. Moore isn’t a hack, he can and does treat the characters he writes with respect. He understands the humanity that underlies even deeply reprehensible people like Veidt, Blake, or Rorschach.

The show would honestly have to be willing to show white supremacist terrorists in some sort of sympathetic or nuanced light in order to reach similar heights. Which is just not going to happen, because politics aside thats a massive task for any writer to take up.

What I find fascinating about Watchmen is that the darkest and most violent characters in the story (Comedian and Rorsach) end up being the most moral of the group. Comedian may be an absolutely psychotic monster but even he is horrified by Veidt's plan and Rorsarch is pretty much a horrorcow but is the only one who does not compromise his morals to cover up the truth behind the New York incident. It really is a testament to Moore's writing skill.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

There also this article about defending the KKK but yeah it was mostly a red scare newspaper.

Whats funny is that Moore intended for Rorschach to be fairly repugnant, but still made him a deeply sympathetic character through his moralism and tragedy. Moore isn’t a hack, he can and does treat the characters he writes with respect. He understands the humanity that underlies even deeply reprehensible people like Veidt, Blake, or Rorschach.

The show would honestly have to be willing to show white supremacist terrorists in some sort of sympathetic or nuanced light in order to reach similar heights. Which is just not going to happen, because politics aside thats a massive task for any writer to take up.

And even in the article defending the KKK, the paper wasn't defending them due to their opinions about race. The gist of the article was "Yeah, the KKK did bad stuff ... But they did have a point about some things." Yeah, it's insanely stupid to defend the KKK at all and gloss over what they did to make a point (simply because we are all only as good as our worst deeds, as the old saying goes), but I still don't see anything here that would flat-out make Rorschach a white supremacist.

The article does gloss over what the KKK did, and I don't think it's because the paper approved of how they treated non-white people. I think it's because they were pushing the paranoia and fear so much that they went to such a measure to spread the message that "even the KKK had more sense than people today; that's how bad things are!" Very hyperbolic, to say the least. And it gives an insight to part of the reason why Rorschach was such a nihilistic and paranoid guy; the news he read told him that it was the end of times, and he believed it.

I just don't picture Rorschach targeting people of different races FOR their race at all. He targeted people who broke the law, and took that to an extreme. I just don't see how it would make sense for Rorschach's vigilantism to inspire a bunch of white supremacists to "rise up."

 

[friedshrimp]

If anything, wouldn't Ozymandias or the Comedian inspire white supremacists? One is an Aryan wet dream and the other is the personification of the jingoistic American nightmare.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

If anything, wouldn't Ozymandias or the Comedian inspire white supremacists? One is an Aryan wet dream and the other is the personification of the jingoistic American nightmare.

Well Ozymandis is a libtard (or at least that's the face he presents to the public) and also may or may not be a fag. Those two things may be turnoffs. Comedian makes sense though

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Lmao Cheyanne Jackson was Hooded Justice? How ironic. I'm pretty sure his jerk off video is still on Pornhub.

 

[Rotollo]

I just find it so weird that DC keeps trying to make watchmen work outside of Moore himself after time and time again it blows up or bites them in the ass
Before the Watchmen sold well but was panned, IDK how the Snighter movie did but I imagine it was a mixed bag, Doomsday clock is 2 years late and the current head honchos at DC are trying to brush it under the rug for their edgy 5G and all new all different crisis, and then you have this show made by the guy who made Lost.
I get its one of the most popular graphic novels but at some point they have to just throw in the towel.

 

[Goku 1000000 O]

I just find it so weird that DC keeps trying to make watchmen work outside of Moore himself after time and time again it blows up or bites them in the ass
Before the Watchmen sold well but was panned, IDK how the Snighter movie did but I imagine it was a mixed bag, Doomsday clock is 2 years late and the current head honchos at DC are trying to brush it under the rug for their edgy 5G and all new all different crisis, and then you have this show made by the guy who made Lost.
I get its one of the most popular graphic novels but at some point they have to just throw in the towel.

Snyder's film did meh at the box office (made back its budget but I'm not sure how much marketing was) and the critical response was at best mildly positive.

 

[Rotollo]

He doesn't really like deviations, though to my understanding he liked David Hayter's unused screenplay for Watchmen and was disappointed that it wasn't the version they went with.

He liked and worked on the DCAU episode of "for the man who had everything" though that speaks higher of the JLU that they actually decided to contact him and he accepted rather then not even trying at all

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

He liked and worked on the DCAU episode of "for the man who had everything" though that speaks higher of the JLU that they actually decided to contact him and he accepted rather then not even trying at all

Here' the Moore adaptation tier list

Great Tier: For the Man Who Has Everything

Decent Tier: Watchmen

Passable Tier: V for Vendetta

Shit Tier: Everything else

 

[friedshrimp]

Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is also good, too.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

While a bad adaptation, I do think that V For Vendetta was quite a good movie.

And I think it has aged well ... Especially in the age of the MCU and "franchise blockbuster movies."

I didn't care for the Watchmen movie, save for the brilliant opening credits and some of the performances.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

It's not perfect but I thought the movie was still really good, I never understood why it got such a cold reception and seems mostly forgotten today.

It's also a Zack Snyder movie, and his style turns off a lot of people, myself included. The gratuitous slo-mo, the almost torture porn levels of graphic violence... just because you got an R rating to show Dr. Manhattan's cock doesn't mean you need to make absolutely everything R-rated.

 

[Dom Cruise]

It's also a Zack Snyder movie, and his style turns off a lot of people, myself included. The gratuitous slo-mo, the almost torture porn levels of graphic violence... just because you got an R rating to show Dr. Manhattan's cock doesn't mean you need to make absolutely everything R-rated.

Well personally I used to consider myself a Zack Snyder fan in fact, I even liked Sucker Punch, up until Man of Steel, which I hated.

I just remember how refreshing his directorial debut, the Dawn of The Dead remake, was, in a sea of lame horror remakes in the 2000s the Dawn of The Dead remake actually managed to be worthy ("OOH WAH AH AH AH!")

But sadly he lost his mojo somewhere along the way.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Anyone watch the second ep?

 

[Kerr Avon]

Anyone watch the second ep?

Ya. It doubled down on the shittiness of the first. Felt like it was written by a tankie.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Ya. It doubled down on the shittiness of the first. Felt like it was written by a tankie.

Is it bad enough to make a good roast review?

 

[Kerr Avon]

Is it bad enough to make a good roast review?

Not really. Nothing as memeworrhy as the bleach line..

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Jean Smart on the ‘Timelessness’ of ‘Watchmen’

Emmy Award-winner Jean Smart has embodied some memorable television characters over the past three and a half decades, from office manager Charlene Frazier-Stillfield (“Designing Women”) and former…

variety.com

Interview with Jean Smart. Apparently Laurie has a pet owl. HmmmmmmT

Also nothing political is mentioned thank fuck.

 

[Cool kitties club]

I’ll probably watch hbo watchmen at some point as it seems like someone actually cares unlike before watchmen, but I’m worried from what I’ve heard they’ve done to Rorschach.