HBO’s Watchmen - NOTHING EVER ENDS...Except When It Should

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I don't even care any more. It's pretty clear that DC are planning to run Watchmen into the ground. It's just another IP to mine. We'll get the Watchmen characters showing up in The Lego Movie 3 and Teen Titans Go.
XYZpdq dijo:
Yeah the movie had flaws but it was a pretty solid stab at the material.
And I'm fine with framing Doc instead of the squid.
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My main problem was that it was too slick - the fights were too coordinated, the cast were too good looking and the whole thing was too stylised for something that's supposed to be set in the real world. Framing Doc creates its own problems, but the squid subplot was built up right from the start using a load of other subplots and references - you couldn't just drop it in without it looking even more ridiculous.
Sexy Times Hitler dijo:
IIRC, Lindelof said that he's going for his own different take on Watchmen instead of a straightforward rehash of the original, kinda like how the remake of Suspiria was radically different from the original. Who know what it'll end up actually being though.
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Okay, but if you're not going to adapt Watchmen directly, then what's the point? We've had plenty of "realistic" and "subversive" takes on the superhero genre - the Dark Knight trilogy, the Unbreakable trilogy, Chronicle, even The Incredibles to some extent. "Superheroes... but in our world" has been done to death. To be honest, it sounds like the situation with the I, Robot movie, where they bought the rights to the IP because they had an unrelated concept that sounded too similar
Replicant Sasquatch dijo:
This is like the most accurate adaptation of the comic ever made though. Alan Moore said so himself.
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That's probably because even though it's a spoof, it's clearly done by someone who knows the comic inside out. You can't get Watchmen so deliberately wrong without knowing how to get it right.
friedshrimp dijo:
Whyyyyy Watchmen of all things needs to be fucking "woked".
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The original was already pretty woke. There were nonwhite and gay supporting characters. Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis were implied to be a couple, Silhouette was explicitly said to be a lesbian. Dave Gibbons said one of the things they wanted to imply about the world of Watchmen was that homosexuality was more acceptable in the present day than it was in our world (there's an elderly gay couple in one panel who've fuelled lots of fan speculation re Nelson and HJ). They also didn't shy away from portraying the uglier side of society - Rorschach is a homophobe, the Comedian says some racist stuff, Captain Metropolis is behind the times re race relations, several characters are misogynists. But while the comic has a lot to say about race, feminism and LGBT issues, they're never used to beat the audience over the head. Sometimes a "good" character will display uncomfortable flaws and a "bad" character will turn out to have a point.

It doesn't need to be made more woke, just incorporate what was already there.
 
Tragi-Chan dijo:
The original was already pretty woke. There were nonwhite and gay supporting characters. Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis were implied to be a couple, Silhouette was explicitly said to be a lesbian. Dave Gibbons said one of the things they wanted to imply about the world of Watchmen was that homosexuality was more acceptable in the present day than it was in our world (there's an elderly gay couple in one panel who've fuelled lots of fan speculation re Nelson and HJ). They also didn't shy away from portraying the uglier side of society - Rorschach is a homophobe, the Comedian says some racist stuff, Captain Metropolis is behind the times re race relations, several characters are misogynists. But while the comic has a lot to say about race, feminism and LGBT issues, they're never used to beat the audience over the head. Sometimes a "good" character will display uncomfortable flaws and a "bad" character will turn out to have a point.

It doesn't need to be made more woke, just incorporate what was already there
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One of my favorite things in the comic was that background lesbian couple (their names escape me at the moment). They didn't feel like they were pandering, they felt like real people navigating their relationship, and IIRC, they were actually going through a rough patch. For a couple of background characters, Moore gave them much more depth than most gay couples today.

Admittedly, the scene just before the squid shows up is a tad heavy-handed, especially when one of them cries that she wishes she were straight, but on the whole I enjoyed how the story treated them. They weren't token lesbians, they were people, which was the point of the newsstand scenes.
 
Zaryiu dijo:
Yeah but do you think they will get Veidt right? I was just trying to imagine what they might change him (they could also make Veidt into a trump like figure) and what they would use as the threat to stop nuclear armageddon
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Hahaha, no. They're already looking through Veidt as the lens of Trump. Veidt is evil as they come, but the problem is, his intentions are noble. He is never outright villainous, but extremely coldly logical. And NEVER to the world at large. He only reveals his nature when it cannot be used against him.

In order to portray Veidt, you'd have to basically destroy the audience. Which is why Watchmen isn't going to work. Veidt in the comics was generally above suspicion until he WANTED to be found. The only person who truly found out what Veidt really was was the Comedian. Which is why Veidt had him killed. That's why he's getting drunk and finding out everything is a joke, because this guy who was supposedly the greatest among them was the most evil, underhanded and bloodthirsty. And the only one who knew about it was....an evil, bloodthirsty, rapist. That's why he's getting shitfaced drunk.

That's the joke. That the Comedian is the hero of the story. He figures out what none of the others, not even Doc Manhattan could.

So no. You cannot capture Veidt's character Veidt's character relies on the audience not knowing his nature. The problem is this is fan service and they'll just make too many give aways. You have to play Veidt as the perfect hero in every way, make him a victim. You only reveal who and what exactly he is when its all too late. You make him Trumpian, its all fucking over. Veidt was loved by basically everyone. He had toy lines, comics, conservatives loved him, liberals too. He was the poster-child. If you make him a Trump analogy, the entire defining point of Watchmen and its deconstruction of the hero is over. Its something different. This is like a re.tard trying to compete with a world-class novelist. I mean, you're not going to outdo the themes of this work.

You make the true hero of the story the worst person imaginable. That's why Watchmen was a de-construction of the hero comic. Heroisim is complicated and the worst of us wrap themselves in the cape of the righteous. You think they're going to be able to figure that shit out?

The only reason this is being made is to capatalize on the hero craze.

XYZpdq dijo:
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I'm still trying to figure out the logo. Is it supposed to be like a "no" slash through Doc's circle symbol?
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They're trying to be cute. They're saying 'nothing ever ends'. It means someone is going to find out about Veidt's plot and what he's going to do to cover it up.

Basically, its just like, "What would happen if someone discovered what really happened?"

"Adrian would kill them, their families, their loved one, and their pets and think he was good."

"WHAT A MYSTERY"

I think that's what they're going for anyway. It seems pointless. There's no reason to continue the series. If Adrian's plot is uncovered, its implied that there will eventually be a conflict that ends humanity. It also implies Adrian will do anything to stop people from finding out, no matter what the cost.

He murdered his own family, the scientists, did twisted and horrible expirments, risked destroying the ENTIRE EARTH, drove an island nation insane which was heavily implied to murder, kill and eat each other in Lovecraftian fashion, enough to disturb the Comedian so much it drove HIM nearly insane.

Veidt's plot broke a man who murdered a woman he got pregnant. That's to show just how fucking horrifying as to what Veidt did and how utterly indefensible it is. Its why the Manhattan Angle doesn't work. Because Viedt did tests before he unleashed dimensional horrors. The amount of death wasn't what drove the Comedian mad, it was how utterly far, the cause of it all, and basically Veidt destroying the world in such a manner that broke him.

Its why, ironically, the Comedian smile with the blood on it is the symbol of the Watchmen. Its because, no matter how horrible the Comedian was, he was heroic in a certain way.

That's why when I say Watchmen is unfilmable, it is. You really need to engage that book very, very deeply. You have to go back and forth. You have to read it at least twice to grasp the themes as well as understand the pirate story to get what its trying to tell you.

And the best part is 'The Watchmen' works as a story by itself without any need for extra analysis. The problem is, the complete deconstruction of the Superhero genre, the art, the metaphors, the characters....it ALL ties together.

UnKillFill dijo:
So.. I get that was a joke, but you're actually half right... This is canon in the current DC narrative. (It's not technically a recast though, this is Rorschach II, in the same vein as Nite Owl II and Silk Specter II... sort of...)
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There's something wrong with this image.....zoom and enhance.....

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WHAT

THE

FUCK

HOW

THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE CHARACTER IS UNCOMPROMISING TRUTH FACED WITH UNCOMPROMISING SUBTERFUGE, THEY'RE POLAR FUCKING OPPOSITES, WHAT

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You know what, I don't care why. Nobody gives a fuck about good writing anymore, or metaphor. Its not about producing good art so you can use that to get money. Its about vomiting up whatever nostalgic shit you can to get a dollar. Rape it, make it woke, make it conservative, doesn't matter.

Just fuck art and meaning for as much money as possible. God forbid you miss a c-note because you tried to make genuine art. We're living in the age of shit.
 
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Saw the trailer. Is this supposed to be some kind of sequel or something because I don’t remember their being a Rorsarch cult in the original. Also is that cult supposed to be the alt right or Anita?
 
Notgoodwithusernames dijo:
Saw the trailer. Is this supposed to be some kind of sequel or something because I don’t remember their being a Rorsarch cult in the original. Also is that cult supposed to be the alt right or Anita?
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It has no connection to the original property except for the name and setting as far as I can tell.
 
Those Rorschach army pictures plus Jeremy Irons as Veidt make me think that it's going to be a sequel where it's set years after his lie. It makes sense if Rorschach's diary got published and you have a fringe set of people rising up to fight against the corrupt system. Could be wrong, but I have a bad feeling that it's the direction they're going in.
 
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