Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Sooty Soot]

 

[The tired cat]

nd Hazbin is an objectively better show with better character writing and plot progression

Let's not make up bullshit, shall we? 'Cause none of these things are true and we know it.

as well as having a fair number of episodes to explore it in.

An yet all the episodes still feel rushed and too cluttered.

Let's be honest, did anyone have any hope that TADC would end on a high note?

People who mainly build up various fan theories inside their heads and thus hope they would get to feel smart? From some friends I talked, an since they weren't from said crowd, they found the ending rather nice.

Does anyone think that Viv's series will end on a high note?

If by "high note" it'll be a DBZ styled battle?

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Let's not make up bullshit, shall we? 'Cause none of these things are true and we know it.

When there's an episode that's nothing but a character crying about how much of a repressed tranny they are for thirty minutes, I'll say they're equally bad, but Hazbin wins out for now.

 

[The tired cat]

When there's an episode that's nothing but a character crying about how much of a repressed tranny they are for thirty minutes, I'll say they're equally bad, but Hazbin wins out for now.

Eh, if you say so. I kinda like TADC more than Hazbin. But meh, never cared for the whole "who wins out" crap.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

I mean, I wouldn't say she 'won'. Just because a pile of shit smells slightly less than another pile of shit does not mean the first pile of shit is any less a pile of shit.

And who's to say the first pile of shit won't smell worse overtime?


Also, happy belated mothers day or early fathers day whatever idk

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Given the whole discourse with TADC and Hazbin, honestly while TADC has its flaws, it had a very decent ending for what it was going for.

Hazbin or Helluva I can not see going anywhere beyond the most trite happy ending there is, with very liberal undertones (like things are better only cause the main characters run stuff). Only cause Vivzie seems like someone who is very protective of her characters in the same way a fan is with their OCs (like Dave Filoni).

 

[TexasRanger]

Welp, we got pride merch for Hazbin with some new additions.
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Sera is a confirmed lesbian so woo-hoo, I guess. Adam and Abel are both confirmed straight. I'm sure that won't upset the fandom at all.
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And I'm sure having Angel Dust in the Vess merch won't also upset the fandom. Oh boy. I'm sure this backlash will be fun to see.

No trans, nonbinary, ect., so I guess those people might get upset or something.

These are objectively fugly. Pure eyesores.

Who buys this, are there pics of people holding these abominations? (Plz post them)

Also-late and gay,literally, how is a Seraphim a lesbian, is she Vaggi's ex?

 

[Fizzle]

And even their merch is gone. You don't have any female in the merch run who's in a relationship with another female. All you got is Sally May.

The LGBTQ representation doesn't feel forced and the Pride merch feels earned. Bcs its just there and its accepted.
I though the trans under-rep stuff was weird a while ago, but imo not brining attention to it is what makes it effective. Idk if that's an "out of sight out of mind" thing or "this character happens to be trans get over it".
People forget how shitty and forced other "queer" media feels especially with so called "trans characters". Woah how daring of you, ur just like late 90s Ellen DeGeneres so brave.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

These are objectively fugly. Pure eyesores.

Who buys this, are there pics of people holding these abominations? (Plz post them)

Also-late and gay,literally, how is a Seraphim a lesbian, is she Vaggi's ex?

It really feels like someone else on the team decided to make Sera a lesbian. Because that's usually how it goes. You got Vaggie and Charlie being heavily shipped by the people working on the pilot; Sally May was completely controlled by Morgana, who is their self-insert, you have Morgana making the Martha x Mayberry ship canon and making Mayberry a lesbian; and Velvette was made a lesbian because the art director of Hazbin, Sam Miller, wanted her to be because she is a lesbian. So yeah, it's not too unlikely that Sera is a lesbian because someone else wanted her to be.

Honestly, I thought Sera would be asexual cause she seems to be above those sort of relationships.

 

[TexasRanger]

It really feels like someone else on the team decided to make Sera a lesbian. Because that's usually how it goes. You got Vaggie and Charlie being heavily shipped by the people working on the pilot; Sally May was completely controlled by Morgana, who is their self-insert, you have Morgana making the Martha x Mayberry ship canon and making Mayberry a lesbian; and Velvette was made a lesbian because the art director of Hazbin, Sam Miller, wanted her to be because she is a lesbian. So yeah, it's not too unlikely that Sera is a lesbian because someone else wanted her to be.

Honestly, I thought Sera would be asexual cause she seems to be above those sort of relationships.

So basically these people are self-inserting themselves into the story. ..Which means s.o wants Abel to be straight because she herself is straight (or bi).I hope a straight guy wants Lute to be 1. Straight 2. Completely indifferent to the rainbow crowd

Yep, I thought Seraphim would be platonic lovers at best.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

So basically these people are self-inserting themselves into the story. ..Which means s.o wants Abel to be straight because she herself is straight (or bi).I hope a straight guy wants Lute to be 1. Straight 2. Completely indifferent to the rainbow crowd

Yep, I thought Seraphim would be platonic lovers at best.

I think Abel and Adam were made straight due to being pre-existing characters from the Bible.

 

[Fizzle]

I hope a straight guy wants Lute to be 1. Straight 2. Completely indifferent to the rainbow crowd

The only canonically homophobic character btw.
"Their love is vile and blasphemous" (Ik its bcs they're Angel and Demon but come on)

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Lute, Peter, and the Speaker confirmed to be non-allies who refuse to go to pride parades.

Funny joke aside, I wonder if Peter isn't on here is because they didn't want to make any confirmation about his sexuality to avoid offending people. After all, that's why God and Jesus aren't going to appear outside of allusions.

Makes me think Viv regretted putting Peter in the show since he's a real life person and not a fictional figure in the bible. Especially considering he virtually adds nothing to the plot and role in Heaven is the most surface level understanding of who Saint Peter is.

 

[Nonga Tork]

It's also fairly safe to assume that there were no plans for Sera to be in a relationship at any point, so no plans needed to be changed to accommodate the pride merch.

Makes me think Viv regretted putting Peter in the show since he's a real life person and not a fictional figure in the bible. Especially considering he virtually adds nothing to the plot and role in Heaven is the most surface level understanding of who Saint Peter is.

And also his existence confirms Jesus's existence and that he was someone of Heavenly importance, though I suppose it doesn't technically confirm whether the Christian or Muslim interpretation is correct (I think; I can't remember whether Muslims claim the apostles misinterpreted Jesus who was totally preaching the exact same thing as Muhammed or whether it was later Christians who messed it up and the apostles were all good Muslims).

 

[King Metalia]

Viv won't make Baxter trans because she knows she'll get backlash for having a cis-man voice him.

Also Viv's misogyny prevents her from giving her gay furry OCs anything other than dicks.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Also Viv's misogyny prevents her from giving her gay furry OCs anything other than dicks.

Sometimes I actually forget about that. I know YouTube has rules on what can be shown, but I still think it’s laughable how all these big dicked characters are all basically Barbie dolls down there.

 

[The tired cat]

Only cause Vivzie seems like someone who is very protective of her characters in the same way a fan is with their OCs (like Dave Filoni).

Of Viv's entire character roaster, so far we only have a body count of 1 and that is Adam. Heck, she couldn't even kill of Vox, so you know none of "popular" or "liked" characters are even gonna bite it. Which, kinda takes the stakes out of this whole story.

 

[The Nothingness]

Also-late and gay,literally, how is a Seraphim a lesbian, is she Vaggi's ex?

Maybe that was done to both counteract the tweet Viv posted about "gays reclaiming Hell" when Hazbin's first season was in production and to stick it those mean Christians by having one of Heaven's top angels be a lesbian.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

It's also fairly safe to assume that there were no plans for Sera to be in a relationship at any point, so no plans needed to be changed to accommodate the pride merch.

Yeah, she's basically pulling a Rowling, where she declares a character's sexuality to be one thing despite them never being in a relationship or having any indication that they're even really interested in anyone romantically/sexually.
Maybe there will be a scene in a later season of her giving a flirtatious wink to an Exorcist chick or something, but I doubt there will be more than that.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Funny joke aside, I wonder if Peter isn't on here is because they didn't want to make any confirmation about his sexuality to avoid offending people. After all, that's why God and Jesus aren't going to appear outside of allusions.

Makes me think Viv regretted putting Peter in the show since he's a real life person and not a fictional figure in the bible. Especially considering he virtually adds nothing to the plot and role in Heaven is the most surface level understanding of who Saint Peter is.

You can pretty much change the names for all these characters and nothing would really change.

Yeah, she's basically pulling a Rowling, where she declares a character's sexuality to be one thing despite them never being in a relationship or having any indication that they're even really interested in anyone romantically/sexually.
Maybe there will be a scene in a later season of her giving a flirtatious wink to an Exorcist chick or something, but I doubt there will be more than that.

Kind of reminds me when it was revealed Loona was bi, even though she showed no interest towards female beforehand. And Millie was the straight one, even though she wanted to know what sex with Verosika was like.