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Really good main event tonight on CMLL.
Mistico vs Cavernario
Mistico is the guy who replaced Mistico/Sin Cara/Myzteziz/Caristico in the old gimmick after the original guy left CMLL. He's usually okay but he's never been too solidly embraced in the gimmick, especially in AM. He's clicked a lot better with the crowd doing cool heel stuff with his brothers Rush and Dragon Lee but they got behind him really well tonight.
Barbero Cavernario is a barbarian who is also a caveman. He's part of the fun gross heel faction Pesta Negra (black plague).

Normal traditional lucha match format it's 2/3 falls, submissions done by voice rather than tapping.
 
I'm watching the few snippets I can and for a while I thought they slowed it down slightly but that's just how JR sounds nowadays.
 
Jesus F'ing Christ that Dustin/Cody match was unbelievable.

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I actually paid for the stream and wasn't disappointed. Match of the night is easily Dustin/Cody.

The tag team that cleared house of The Best Friends and Angelico/Evans was the former Super Smash Bros. of Evil Uno and Stu Grayson.
 
Nice enough wrassle show. Definitely seemed like they were aiming at the WCW aesthetics. Dr Wagner jr vs Blue Demon jr (hair vs mask) will probably bleed a shitload more than Cody/Dustin.
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also lol Penta el 0W does it again.
 
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My thoughts on everything are still collecting I can't think of very many complaints at all outside of maybe some camera angle/production flubs and not getting some of the results I wanted. I'll probably have more to say when I wake up in the morning.

But holy shit Cody v Dustin really was match of the night. Probably worth a 5 star.
 
My thoughts on everything are still collecting I can't think of very many complaints at all outside of maybe some camera angle/production flubs and not getting some of the results I wanted. I'll probably have more to say when I wake up in the morning.

But holy shit Cody v Dustin really was match of the night. Probably worth a 5 star.

Actually I do have something to complain about DON. IMO the first half of the show didn't really resonate to me as a fan.
SoCalUncensored vs Dragonga...I mean OWE was okay, but it didn't feature any of the homegrown Chinese talent, just the guys that left Dragongate. I did find it funny that JR kept referring to them as Chinese when all three OWE wrestlers were Japanese.

The Best Friends/Angelico and Evan's match could be seen on almost any PWG midcard.

The women's fatal four way brings out Awesome Kong, but she doesn't make an huge impact (pun intended) as it's Brit Baker and Kylie Rae doing most of the work.

Match of the night is hands down Cody/Dustin. Main event tried, but it just didn't have that 'it' factor that made the Rhode's match so special.
 
The dentist chick needs to dentist it up by a lot more, and she should be in a team with Villano V who is also a dentist.
I'm not sure how well Skinny Pokeyman Indie Bailey is going to work without the pokeymans.
I hope Kong is a regular, but I wouldn't be shocked if she was a one-off thing.

They need more Faby Apache and Ayako Hamada.
 
Kind of like @Feline Darkmage, I'm still trying to put together my full thoughts on Double or Nothing but overall I thought it was a good show and I do want to see more. I do have some general issues aside from production that I want to share and see what you guys think.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed the show. Not much to complain about apart from production mistakes (which admittedly were plentiful, but almost inevitable for a newly formed company).
Some matches perhaps felt a bit long but I see why they rather went for longer than shorter. It plays to their hardcore audience, distances them from the WWE product and it helps with people feeling they got their $50 worth.

Not sure how sustainable $50 PPV's are in todays market. That price might cross the line of max profitability I think (i.e they might actually make more money with $30-40 PPV's since folks are less likely to feel priced out or search out pirate streams).

A big pet-peeve of mine was with the commentators looking like absolute fools when the camera was on them. When you sit down, you're supposed to unbutton your suit jacket! Alex Marvez especially, looked like he'd been taking fashion advice from Sargon of Akkad.
 
Fucking loved the show last night. I was a religious WCW fan from 96 until they were bought out, and again starting in 2008 for WWE (and I do mean religious). I ended up quitting WWE cold turkey and hadn't watched a single wrestling show aside from the Dome shows and Dominion going on two years. Last night was definitely worth the money I paid. Haven't felt this way in a long, long time, and I can't wait for them to get on TV.
 
Found this screenshot on /asp/
That board is trying hard most of the time, but it has its moments.
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Here's a more recent thread, it's some anon posting about WWE like he's Charles Barkley on Inside the NBA

This is about all /asp/ is good for as far as wrestling discussion goes. Just shitposting and lusting after the female wrestlers in the numerous general threads for them.
 
I have believed, for a few years now, that WWE is a paper tiger just waiting to be knocked down, and I think people in the company kind of know it now.

WWE fears AEW for many reasons, most of which have to do with Vince's deepest fears and insecurities.

AEW is owned by a member of the same family that owns an English Premier League football team and an NFL team. Vince's dream of the XFL as an alternative to the NFL is undercut, in his mind, by the fact that the Khans could buy into both that league _and_ probably the wealthiest sports league on the planet. Vince cannot compete with that kind of money, and Tony Khan can extend himself, if he chose, into WWE territory in a heartbeat. It also means access to major TV networks (TNT among them) and to TV production grades that'll make Kevin Dunn look even more like an amateur with a Camcorder.

Second is who is running the show and what they can bring. The sons of one Virgil Runnels would have had access to his wisdom throughout their lives together and, especially, to his ideas on booking. They also have access to a wide array of other former bookers and pro wrestlers and managers and executives, many of whom may have been burned by Vince over the years and who would love to help Dusty's kids stick it to Vince.

Third, they also have good rapport with a number of other promotions in North America, in the UK, and with NJPW. Those companies will have no trouble working with AEW on the bigger shows or with coordinating dates for their stars (as long as they get a cut from the deal.

Fourth, they have access to talent, including WWE talent. AEW's central talent has worked with most of WWE's current roster additions from the last five years _at minimum_, and can wait for those contracts to expire before putting out the feelers (some aren't that long off.) While this may save WWE having to pay out on those non-compete periods, it will mean that AEW will, over time and success, hurt WWE's recruiting and retaining power in ways and with talent they can't fathom missing.

The fifth, and biggest reason for WWE to fear is that AEW has the potential to expose the McMahons' central weakness - their shame over and contempt for the source of their fortune. Everything that Vince, Jr. has done since 2001 _at least_ has had the long-term plan of transitioning his company away from the wrestling promotion and towards a media production company. The only member of the family who gives a toss about the business and the craft, without feeling the need to put himself on the throne at all times, is Triple H - and even then it took over twenty years of being told off, criticised, harangued, harassed and threatened by fans and talent to reach the point at which he could conceive of and maintain NXT. Even now, however, his words and guidance are being turned to ashes by his father-in-law's manic obsession with becoming "bigger than 'rasslin'", his wife's need for status and his brother-in-law's dissolute need to be accepted. Only he sees the end of this road they're on, and his shouts are increasingly being lost in the wind.
 
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