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I guess Kofi will finally get payback for what Brock did that time in Japan:


So is anyone here a bit scared WWE will shoot on AEW? I really think Vince has gotten more spiteful and heavyhanded in his "writing" of the shows and i've got a feeling he's gonna pull a WCW and start taking shots at them frequently probably by the end of the year.

I bet he's already having flashbacks from 96. I could imagine him demanding more skits of these:



 
WWE introduced a 24/7 championship, and there are already 3 champions.
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/wooo/ is having some fun with this concept
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Apparently the crowd booed the title, and some bootlicking WWE fans got mad about it.
 
I guess I missed something about Reby Hardy being an Ashley Massaro a-log.
On /wooo/, I saw some people freaking out about her liking a tweet saying Ashley passed away. Multiple users pointed out that they've "liked" tweets of bad news without meaning harm, but then she tweeted this around the time news had spread.

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Which people took as her being playful about liking her death.
She could have just let people rage about these things, they could be written off as reaching. But no, she had to go on a rant.



Why is this happening? Well, I did a little digging, and found out that they had some good ol' twitter beef a while back. You can see the tweets in the links:

Reby sure can dish it, but she can't take it.
 
Quite impressive how they now have a title that devalues whoever wears it. That said, the segment was such Russo-level bollocks I kindof enjoyed it.

I think you could make it work if you:

1. Treated it like the WCW TV title and talked about how these guys in the match are fighting to get a chance for guaranteed exposure on national television each week.

and

2. Had commentary that actually helped tell stories about characters and focused on the action in the ring.

Good luck with that shit.
 
I think you could make it work if you:

1. Treated it like the WCW TV title and talked about how these guys in the match are fighting to get a chance for guaranteed exposure on national television each week.

and

2. Had commentary that actually helped tell stories about characters and focused on the action in the ring.

Good luck with that shit.
The WCW TV Title, as badly as ever got treated, didn't have that stupid 24/7 rule.

WWE should already know that 24/7 championships don't work. The Hardcore Title worked the same way, and it failed for the same reasons that people are already burying the 24/7 Title pre-emptively for.
 
Oh, it's absolutely going to fail. I don't blame anyone for thinking so. I want to be totally clear on that. I'm just saying that the WWE could salvage their dumb ideas if they did a good job at execution, and they never do.
 
It will be short term but there are some storylines they can use with the 24/7 title... Like remember when Raven battled Big Show for it, Big Show would beat the tar out of Raven, then suddenly other wrestlers started showing up to pin Raven only for Big Show to have to knock them around.

R-Truth, though, just doesn't cut it, turns the title into a joke.

 
20 years ago (May, 23, 1999) Owen Hart sadly suffered a fatal accident while performing a stunt as the Blue Blazer. Since then Owen's family, coworkers and fans alike have relived his more memorable moments through his matches, ribs and generally being one of the good ones to lose their life early.


I couldn't find Owen vs Bret's WM 10 match on YouTube, and a number of his Owen's other matches feature on YouTube are of him losing so I found a quick one where he wins. Not the best but better then seeing him lose.
 


WWE Respond To Ashley Massaro Abuse Allegations
The 39-year-old's posthumous affidavit brought several shocking revelations.
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Ashley Massaro Tribute
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Former WWE Superstar Ashley Massaro passed away at 39 years old on 16 May, prompting a huge, sympathetic outpouring throughout the wrestling business. It was an awful story, and those that followed it have sparked a major controversy.
Massaro's lawyer, Konstantine Kyros, published an affidavit by the late wrestler. It included a number of shocking allegations, with the most notable being that she was sexually assaulted touring Kuwait with WWE in 2006, and, after being drugged and raped, was told by company officials that "it would be best not to report it to the appropriate authorities."
Though it's a harrowing read, the full affidavit can be read here.
WWE have now released the following statement response:-
"WWE is saddened by the death of Ashley Massaro, and we reiterate our condolences to her family. However, we regret that her attorney Konstantine Kyros, who filed multiple cases against WWE, lost all of them, and was sanctioned multiple times by the Court for repeated misconduct and false allegations, is using Ashley’s death to further his malicious campaign against WWE by releasing an affidavit that she submitted to the Court and later apologized to WWE for being involved with, so we wish to make certain things crystal clear."
"At no time was Vince McMahon or the management of WWE ever informed by Ashley Massaro or anybody else that she had been sexually assaulted, drugged, raped or sodomized by a military doctor with a nurse standing guard while on a goodwill tour in 2007 to U.S. military bases in Kuwait. In fact, if she ever articulated such a claim to WWE, we would have reported it immediately to the Base Commander."
"At no time was there ever a meeting with Vince McMahon, Kevin Dunn, John Laurinaitis or other company executives in which she told them of such a claim and was instructed to keep it quiet."
Kyros has also published Massaro's first email to him, in which she stated her belief that WWE had "caused major problems, life-altering problems," and that she "wished more than anything that [she] never worked for them."
Ashley's allegations first came to light in November 2016, when she made them while under oath. A lack of information saw the case drift away from public consciousness, though it should be noted that WWE claim she wrote to them in October 2018, apologising for her part in said class action lawsuit.
 


“Remembering Owen Hart”: Live Coverage From Starrcast – Hall of Famers Appear, Owen’s Best Backstage Ribs & More
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BY MIKE KILLAM ONMAY 23, 2019AEW


Starrcast Presents: Remembering Owen
May 23, 2019




This event was put together after the Ric Flair/Ricky Steamboat panel had to be postponed. It’s fitting, as Owen Hart passed away on this day, exactly 20 years ago.
You can order the ENTIRE Starrcast weekend package through FITE TV.
— We’re live! Tony Schiavone kicked things off by introducing New Japan Pro-Wrestling star, Davey Both Smith Jr., who is the great-nephew of Owen Hart. Also joining the panel are three genuine WWE Hall of Famers – the “Worlds Strongest Man” Mark Henry, Jerry “The King” Lawler and Jim Ross!
— Jim Ross said said that on the night Owen died, everyone in the back was handling the situation in their own way. Some were weeping, screaming, hugging, but he and King had to stay on commentary and couldn’t go anywhere. He recalls that all he wanted to do at the time was leave, but he couldn’t.



— Mark Henry recalled that Owen was traveling in a car with him and Dwayne Johnson at the time. He had to go to the car to get all of his things, but the ambulance had already left so he went to the production office thing he was still alive. He remembers multiple paramedics “working non-stop” trying to save him.
— Mark Henry: “Bret was the older brother, but Owen got more attention in the back. No one was safe from Owen’s ribs. I watched him for two hours take a nap on the floor, right in the middle of everybody. Every now and then he’d wake up and [makes a “Hulking Up” motion]and then fell back asleep. Finally at one point somebody made a real loud noise, and he just started this huge comeback. Both hands going and he finally stood up, and the whole locker room [exploded]. He turned the whole locker room into kids.”
— King told a story about the infamous Car Wars back in the day, where wrestlers would try to find each other on the highway and throw things out the window. The goal was, if you can make them pull-over, you win. There was a story about them bringing dozens of eggs in the car and some of their other shenanigans. He also told a story about when Owen just pulled the plug from the production truck on Raw, just for fun.
— J.R. said once he had to talk to wrestlers who were allegedly doing cocaine backstage, and Owen walked up to him, staggering, acting completely drunk, white white powder all over his face. Apparently, he had smeared a powdered donut all over his face…
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— King: “I don’t think Owen Hart ever paid for a meal on the road!”
— Mark Henry said that Owen would take bottles of lotion and put it all across the edges of people’s windshield wipers. Later on when when they were on the road he’d spray water on their cars, so when they went to wipe it away their entire windshield was covered in lotion. “At least ten times, I thought somebody was gonna die!”
— Mark Henry remembered the time they did the first ever Hog Pen match. They were backstage and some guys started bringing in all these animals in cages. Live animals. And they had the misfortune of asking Owen Hart if he knew where they went… Owen led them all the way to the back and had them put all the animals in Vince McMahon’s office!
— A fan asked if Owen needed to be inducted into the Hall of Fame for the sake of his legacy. Mark said his legacy “was already Hall of Fame”. Davey Boy Smith Jr. said that both Owen and his father are “conspiculously absent” but he believes one day it will happen.
— Jim Ross: “I’m in three Hall of Famers, and nobody ever talks about two of them. Until Owen is in the Hall of Fame, that Hall of Fame isn’t right.”
— A fan asked who they’d love to see Owen work against from the modern era. Jim Ross instantly said AJ Styles, and also said a heel Chris Jericho would make a great opponent.
— King talked about his old Memphis days, about how he was a heel in WWE but a babyface in Memphis, and how they would send down Bret Hart and Owen Hart to work with them. They had a great cage match between him and Bret, where Jeff Jarrett, Owen Hart and Giant Gonzalez all got involved. King claims that it was actually the start of the heel Mr. McMahon character because Vince saw how much fun they were having, came down to Memphis and managed Bret as the top heel at the time.
— Mark Henry said that Owen Hart was really the guy that sat him down after matches and taught him, as well as Dwayne Johnson, how to start working on their mistakes and get better. He genuinely wanted to help people sure up the gaps in their performances to make the whole show as good as possible.
 
saw some of AEW's press conference / weigh-in
I really hope there was some really cool thing where they didn't look like a bunch of indie losers playing wrestler (guest starring Dustin Runnels and his ORIGINAL THEME SONG DO NOT STEAL) and I just missed it.
 
That "weigh-in" (I think only Guevara and Sabian did anything close to weighing in) event was pretty cringy. I got a bad eurovision-hosts vibe from the two on-stage presenters. A decent promo from Dustin Rhodes perhaps, but otherwise not much worth watching.

They can probably cut the highlights onto a decent hype two-three minutes hype package at least.
 
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