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MAY NINETEENTH
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As opposed the rich tradition of not affiliating themselves with murder-related people that you expected from from WW"Jimmy Snuka and Carlos Colon in the Hall of Fame"E?
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It's not really much better, although they could at least state that legally neither was convicted of anything. But that was just a straight up propaganda video about how wonderful and progressive they are, whilst executing people for adultery and witchcraft. Also rather hilarious they had to issue an apology when they showed Carmella in a promo package.
 
I guess I missed something about Reby Hardy being an Ashley Massaro a-log.
On /wooo/, I saw some people freaking out about her liking a tweet saying Ashley passed away. Multiple users pointed out that they've "liked" tweets of bad news without meaning harm, but then she tweeted this around the time news had spread.

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Which people took as her being playful about liking her death.
She could have just let people rage about these things, they could be written off as reaching. But no, she had to go on a rant.

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Reby Hardy issued a statement regarding the negative reaction to her social media activity following the death of Ashley Massaro:

Fake social *oUtrAgE* WILL👏🏽NOT👏🏽 make me care about something I DO NOT CARE ABOUT. I ain’t do shit wrong. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I have plenty of them on my own, that’s why yall “hate” me, remember 🙄😆

The same ppl posting “gEt HeLp” wit ur lil suicide hotlines, preaching “stop the bullying” are the ones sending me death threats to me & MY CHILDREN. For what ? What I do ? POINT TO IT. SHOW ME WHERE. All bc you psychos want to reach for something THAT ISNT THERE ? FOH cono

I had 100s of tweets waiting for me asking for “my thoughts” before I had even logged onto twitter for the night. TF ? I wouldn’t touch that shit w a 10’ pole WHY WOULD I ??? Yall stupid. I ain’t say shit until I was attacked by thousands of people for literally NO REASON.
Everybody out here saying “let it go”, FIRST OF ALL, mind ya business. You’re sitting at home behind a computer & not the one having to now deal with the police over death threats. LEAVE ME TF ALONE. There is plenty in this world to be ACTUALLY “outraged” about. This ain’t it.


Point blank. Hate me all you want. It’s adorable. I honestly love it. But – do not send me death threats – DO NOT put words in my mouth
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Why is this happening? Well, I did a little digging, and found out that they had some good ol' twitter beef a while back. You can see the tweets in the links:

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Reby Hardy Vs. Ashley Massaro Twitter War Of Words After Massaro Tweets On Matt Hardy Relationship - Wrestling Inc.

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Reby Hardy Vs. Ashley Massaro Twitter War Of Words After Massaro Twee…

archived 19 May 2019 17:37:59 UTC
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Former WWE Superstar Ashley Massaro began a war of Twitter words with Reby Hardy this week after she posted a tweet reminiscing on her previous relationship with Matt Hardy.

Massaso ended her original tweet with well wishes for the Hardy Family but Reby accused her of bringing pills to Matt's home while Reby was out of town in 2011, at the height of Matt's own addiction problems.
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What exactly did Lars Sullivan say on some forum several years ago?

I keep hearing it discussed since he was fined 100k. But no one ever gives an example of what exactly he wrote.

Was it anything a reasonable person would be offended by or "hateful facts" about immigration / crime statistics or something and the league of the perpetually offended managed make it viral enough for advertisers to think it was something regular people cared about?
 
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What exactly did Lars Sullivan say on some forum several years ago?

I keep hearing it discussed since he was fined 100k. But no one ever gives an example of what exactly he wrote.

Was it anything a reasonable person would be offended by or "hateful facts" about immigration / crime statistics or something and the league of the perpetually offended managed make it viral enough for advertisers to think it was something regular people cared about?
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r/SquaredCircle - A comprehensive list of links and screenshots regarding Lars Sullivan (compiled by /u/farcevacant)

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WWE wouldn't have done anything about it, but per Wrestling Observer some sponsor(s) got upset, so they had to act somehow. You be the judge, I don't really care, but I found it amusing that he shit talked mental health problems and years later ended up suffering an anxiety attack. That's one way for him to learn that mental health is no joke.
 
So Brock returned at MITB tonight and won the men's MITB contract at the last minute. Don't know what WWE has plans for Brock going into this summer, but it's not going to be good for the ratings if Vince keeps sacraficing younger talent for someone who appears a handful of times.
 
I think Vince is panicking over ratings dropping like a stone, first introducing the STUPID WILD CARD rule, then paying millions to bring back Lesnar for 6 shows a year, and now an announcement of a new title in the WWE.

My bet is the new title will be something like a TV Title back in the WCW and can be defended on either show on TV.
 
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Chris Brosnahan on Twitter: "Ashley Massaro recently died. Her affada…

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Ashley Massaro recently died. Her affadavit when she sued WWE includes her being encouraged by Vince McMahon not to report that she was drugged and raped by US military staff while on tour in Kuwait. Content warning - this is sickening reading.
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This is an old story that was strangely swept under the rug. It's picking up on r/squaredcircle.
The full affavit is here.

The screencapped parts in that thread are pages 5-10, which are quoted below in case something happens to the links
While I was initially thrilled to have this opportunity, I began experiencing issues from the outset. At the beginning of the trip, I received harsh treatment from several men in Saudi Arabia, even while wearing a burqa. Maria Kanellis did not receive this type of treatment, so I suspected that it was related to my fair skin and light eyes. This made me very uncomfortable, but I brushed it off and was still looking forward to the tour.

Then, after we had arrived in Kuwait, I began to suffer from menstrual cramps. I had asked to rest in the Humvee, which was air-conditioned during a break, and the US Army soldiers insisted I was suffering from dehydration, notified Gary, and insisted on taking me to a nearby military base in Kuwait. I was told at the base that I needed an IV for dehydration. I protested but they insisted that I needed it and it was very common due to the hot weather.

When I arrived at the sickbay, an IV was placed in my arm almost immediately. After sitting with the IV in my arm for what felt like hours, Jimmy Hart came to check up on me and make sure I was ok. I told him I was fine but that they wouldn’t let me leave because they said I had to wait to see a doctor. Jimmy said he and the rest of the group were going to get lunch and left.

Another couple of hours went by and then a man appeared in the sickbay, dressed in an orange t-shirt and cargo shorts, and I had heard others comment that it was his birthday. He represented himself as a US Army doctor but I observed that all the other doctors at the facility had been wearing scrubs so I do not know whether this was true. He was with a woman who was dressed in full military fatigues. While I was still in the sickbay, he approached me and almost immediately administered an IV of an unknown substance in my other arm. Almost immediately after, the alleged doctor and the woman in fatigues moved me into a room that did not appear to be a treatment room and placed me on a table. The woman guarded the door while the man proceeded to inject me with a drug that caused me to be unable to move my body or to scream.

The man then proceeded to violently rape and sodomize me. I was completely helpless to defend myself against this attack as the drug he injected rendered me temporarily paralyzed. Despite being unable to control my movements, I remained fully conscious for every second of the attack. I felt excruciating pain as a result of this man penetrating me by force and against my will, in a violent and aggressive manner, while I was completely defenseless. Each second that went by was excruciating and I have never felt more helpless or been more terrified in my entire life. The experience was a living nightmare.

I don’t know exactly how long this went on for but if felt like an eternity. The suffering I endured far surpassed all the injuries I had ever suffered in the ring put together; I was experiencing not only severe physical pain but severe emotional and psychological trauma. I have always considered myself to be a fighter and survivor so I can’t even find the words to describe what it felt like to be thrown on a table and stripped and then brutalized in the worst possible way that one human being is capable of brutalizing another –all while being unable to move or speak. In addition to the pain and terror, I felt almost dehumanized, and was extremely disturbed by the feeling that I was somehow given to this man as some type of sick birthday present, and it also made me sick that the female soldier willingly guarded the door for him while he raped me without blinking an eye.

Finally, Gary returned and was banging on the door. The man and woman yelled “one minute” and threw a dirty quilt on me as I was lying naked on the table, and when Gary entered the room he attempted to ask them what was going on but they immediately stormed out. At the time, my body was still limp and my speech impaired, so Gary wrapped me in the quilt and carried me out to the Humvee outside and took me back to my hotel room and then put me in my bed, as I needed to sleep. Gary said to call when I woke up and that he, or one of the others we were traveling with, would come back to get me.

Three hours later, I woke up suddenly and jumped out of bed and had regained the ability to move and speak. My mind however could barely process the fact that I had just been drugged and then violently and brutally raped and sodomized repeatedly by a man who was celebrating his birthday and claimed to be a US Army doctor. I also felt a sense of abandonment and wished someone had just stayed with me at the base as this likely would never have happened had I not been left there alone. Shortly after I woke, Maria appeared in my hotel room. She had heard from Gary that when he picked me up from the base, my body was limp and my speech was impaired. I explained to her that I was injected with an IV of an unknown substance, which left me unable to move or scream, and then was sexually assaulted. She was very sympathetic and nice when I told her what had happened.

She then relayed this information to Jimmy, Ron, and Gary. I then met the rest of the group because we had to head to the next location on the tour schedule. Obviously, given my mental and physical condition, and that I was in Kuwait and the group had to leave for the next destination, I was not in a position to stick around by myself and have a rape kit administered. While en route to the next destination, I told Jimmy, Ron, Maria that I did not want them to tell anyone else was had happened. They agreed to respect my wishes.

Finally, the tour was over and we were in Saudi Arabia and about to get on our flight home via London and my ticket was inexplicably missing. We couldn’t get another ticket and Gary could not get in touch with WWE’s travel coordinators to get me a ticket on their flight. Their solution was to leave me in Riyadh alone and put me up in a hotel by the airport. At this point, I had already given the burqa I had borrowed from the US Service members back to them and they had left; Riyadh was the location where I was harassed at the beginning of the trip when while wearing a burqa; and I had just been drugged and viciously raped. I could not believe that anyone would expect me to stay there overnight alone given the circumstances. Nevertheless, Gary and rest of the group left and got on their flight.

I could not believe what was happening, but there was no way I was staying alone in a hotel without a burqa in Riyadh for the night so I called a friend who is a travel agent who arranged for me meet an airline employee who by some miracle got me onto a flight. Thankfully, I was able to return home, but I was still incredibly upset at the fact that I had been abandoned in a dangerous situation by my colleagues who knew what I had just endured, and thought it was inappropriate that even the WWE office, while not aware of the rape yet, would think it was a good plan for the rest of the group to leave me alone there overnight.

After I returned to the US, Dr. Rios set a meeting with me and questioned me about the incident. I have no idea how he knew anything had happened. I suspect that either something showed up in my drug test results, one of the other individuals on the tour reported it to him, or he could just sense from my demeanor that something was wrong. Regardless, he told me that I needed to tell him what had happened. I finally agreed on the condition that he not disclose the information to anyone else and told him what had occurred.

Dr. Rios then informed Vince, who informed Kevin Dunn, John Laurinaitis, and several other company executives or lawyers that I had never even met but were all present at a meeting that I was called into shortly after. Vince led the meeting with these men and asked me to recount what happened in Kuwait. Then he said it was not in the best interest of the WWE for me to make the information about my attack public. I was still completely traumatized at that point and I just agreed. It was clear that there had already been a conversation and that they had reached a decision on their own prior to consulting with me as this was not a debate but rather Vince instructing me to keep this confidential.

Vince did at least apologize for what I went through, but then stressed that if I disclosed this incident it would ruin the relationship between the WWE and the US Military. He told me not to let one bad experience ruin the good work they were doing. His lack of sensitivity in referring to my ordeal as “one bad experience” left me speechless. Vince went on to say that I would not be required to travel to the Middle East ever again and that the WWE would institute a new policy where any time a female WWE performer went to the Middle East, she would have a female WWE escort with her 24/7 to ensure this did not happen again. This did not make me feel better about the situation. It had already happened to me and the damage was already done. But again, I felt so defeated at that point that it seemed pointless to protest. I also admittedly was uncomfortable with the thought of all the wrestlers finding out so I asked Vince and those in the room to keep the incident quiet and they agreed.

At the time, I was completely traumatized and had literally no support. I also had no evidence as I was unable to have a rape kit administered and did not even know the name of my rapist. I was also not in the appropriate mental state to determine the proper channels to go through to report a crime that happened on a military base in Kuwait and was committed by a man I could not identify by name. Given my condition, I simply did not have it in me to go against the wishes of the WWE and to attempt to pursue the matter any further and I remained silent. The easiest thing to do seemed to be to try to pretend it didn’t happen (which of course ultimately never works).

This experience was by far the most traumatic and emotionally damaging thing that has ever happened to me and it and it haunts me to this day. People often speak of having nightmares where they are being attacked but for some unknown reason are unable to scream or run. This happened to me-in real life -and I can’t count the number of times I have relived this incident in my mind. Obviously, I should have received counseling or therapy after the attack, but neither Dr. Rios nor Vince had even suggested therapy or counseling of any sort and I was forced to deal with and live with this incident on my own.

I felt that Dr. Rios, as he had been in all of my interactions with him, was sympathetic and would have liked to do more to help, but he was under the thumb of the WWE, and in particular, Vince. In the past, when I had been injured, Dr. Rios had administered cortisone shots and prescribed pain medication and muscle relaxers for me, but I imagine he knew these were just “band-aids” used to allow me to continue to perform in the short-term. Dr. Rios had said at one point that I really needed a break, given the number of injuries I had sustained over a relatively short time span, but his advice was ignored by WWE. As Vince demonstrated when he ordered the crew to prematurely saw a cast off my hand, he was not concerned for my health or safety and was only concerned about putting on a show and making money.

Vince approached my rape in the same manner he approached all wrestler injuries. He did not want to damage the reputation of the WWE by making them public knowledge, so he exerted extreme pressure on us to stay silent, to perform whether or not it was safe to do so, and had almost no regard for our well-being. We were treated as replaceable commodities. WWE’s top priorities seemed to be generating profits and avoiding liabilities, regardless of how this affected its workers.

As an aside, I kept my silence about this incident for years –at first because of pressure from WWE and fear of losing my job –and then because I felt like it would do little or no good to report a rape that occurred years ago in Kuwait by a man I could not identify. However, when I learned that the WWE had been concealing the risks of long-term damage from repeated head injuries, and thought back to how WWE has a culture of silencing and mistreating its performers; and how as a result, so many men and women today are either dead or left dealing on their own with the horrific aftermath of their injuries, I became angry. I am angry that WWE doesn’t educate/inform/train its performers. I’m angry that WWE silences its performers. I’m angry that WWE puts its performers in dangerous situations. I am angry that WWE fails to provide appropriate treatment when injuries occur. I am angry that I’m already suffering from long term effects of in-ring injuries which may get worse over time and that WWE disclaims responsibility. This pattern of behavior illustrates a lack of concern on the part of the WWE for the health, safety, and well-being of its performers, and I broke my silence finally because I thought my story would help shed light on what I view as an important cause that has deeply affected me personally and so many others. WWE has utterly failed in its duties to promote and protect the safety and well-being of the man and women who dedicate their lives to the business, and it should not be permitted to continue to sweep important issues under the rug. Finally, I hope that telling my story may cause a young person aspiring to be a professional wrestler to think twice and consider the realities of the situation and not make the same mistake that I did.
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Man, that is fucked up. Even though I was never a fan of hers, Ashley should have publicly reported her ordeal. I understand that wrestlers, male or female, are job scared and have no real alternatives if they were fired by Vince, but I think my life if more important then being employed as a "professional wrestler".
 
I'm not a female so I have no idea what she went through getting raped.

But if she would have it public, man, it would have made it impossible for her to perform in the ring as the rape real story line would have smashed any character development, and people would be all over her for wrestling in a 2 piece sexy suit and such. I think the WWE would have been under immense pressure to end what was the Divas division then.
 
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