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Kidd Bandit vs. Commander James Stephanie Sterling might be happening again, but Jim will only do it again in the UK or until "Travelling to the US is safe again".
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In regards to Bandit's all-troon wrestling event, I found a video of "Highlights" from it.
 
This was in 1990 and for folks who didn't know Ken was doing pro wrestling for a couple years before going to Japan and doing the quasi-shoot style matches in Pancrase and UWF, the story goes he was out with a buddy who brought his girlfriend and Knobbs and Saggs were there getting a little touchy with her and an altercation happened at the bar and they were all kicked out. Ken being pissed off confronted the two at the hotel only to be overpowered and held by his feet on the balcony.
It was worse than that. They hid in Shamrock's room and hit him with a telephone to KO him before he knew what happened, and then were going to throw him off the balcony while unconscious.
 
It was worse than that. They hid in Shamrock's room and hit him with a telephone to KO him before he knew what happened, and then were going to throw him off the balcony while unconscious.

Even as a kid without dirt sheet and shoot knowledge I just knew there was something dislikable and seedy about the Nasty Boys. 2 garbage human beings if there ever were any.
 
Kidd Bandit vs. Commander James Stephanie Sterling might be happening again, but Jim will only do it again in the UK or until "Travelling to the US is safe again".
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In regards to Bandit's all-troon wrestling event, I found a video of "Highlights" from it.
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So basically overly choreographed spot fest wrestling. Exactly what I figured.
 
Even as a kid without dirt sheet and shoot knowledge I just knew there was something dislikable and seedy about the Nasty Boys. 2 garbage human beings if there ever were any.
I'm happy new jack slapped the shit out of knobs when's he was trying to tell all these young green wrestlers they were shit and couldn't work. These are former tags champs too. But bw this and the tranny loving jap pedo era so were they really that bad?
 
I remember hearing billy Gunn having to hold shamrock back bc he was gonna kill one of them at an airport tf did ken fuck the nasty boys girl or something? They don't fuck around they shot on Scott Hall on nitro live
I think it was The Rock, might've been Billy Gunn (or both) that held him back. He randomly saw them in the airport and was going to get revenge on them but it obviously didn't happen. This was before 9/11, too, so who knows what would've happened.

Here's a what-if for ya, what if the Nasty Boys did what they set out to do and actually threw Ken Shamrock out of that hotel window in the early 90's? Ken would've either died or probably permanently crippled meaning he'd never go to Japan and be one of the major faces in MMA from his work in Pancrase and RINGS and the UFC would've never gotten the Gracie-Shamrock run in it's first few tournaments and he wouldn't be able to give that tough guy legitimately to the attitude era WWF and be the guest referee at WM13.
I don't think it would've changed wrestling history much, although obviously no Shamrock in WWF so they'd have had to do something different with Ken's debut being in the upper card and the 1998 KOTR win, but otherwise he didn't really factor into much. Dan Severn might've gotten his spot instead? I know Severn was in WWF but didn't really do all that much since he was kind of boring character-wise. Shamrock was similarly bad on the mic but was more charismatic and had a better look. One plus would've been that the Nasty Boyz probably end up in jail for life and we don't have to deal with them in WWF/WCW/TNA

As for MMA, it would've been much different. Gracie-Shamrock feud doesn't happen like you said, which means early UFC is different. Maybe Severn would've taken his spot here, too? I am guessing not because the Gracies intentionally didn't want a greco wrestler in the first few tournaments. My guess is that some other similar catch wrestler gets the spot, I have no idea who, and Gracie ends up submitting him as well. There is no Gracie-Shamrock feud, but the early UFC was kind of a financial disaster anyway so it might not change much there. Japan was where the big money in early MMA was, up until PRIDE folded in 2007 (or whenever it was).

The bigger difference is that Ken had pretty much the first full-time, complete MMA school/camp called The Lion's Den. Back then, MMA fighters would typically go all over for their training. One school for boxing, one for wrestling, etc. Lion's Den was really the first that offered it all. It was incredibly hard to get into but it was the best camp back then and a lot of early MMA pioneers trained there or its offshoots. It also inspired a lot of other people to start full-time, complete gyms. Granted, that would've happened eventually anyway but guys like Jens Pulver, who was the first UFC lightweight champ, ended up training at one of the early offshoot schools. Pulver was a pioneer for the smaller weight classes and his early "feud" with BJ Penn helped propel the UFC to new heights
 
This was in 1990 and for folks who didn't know Ken was doing pro wrestling for a couple years before going to Japan and doing the quasi-shoot style matches in Pancrase and UWF, the story goes he was out with a buddy who brought his girlfriend and Knobbs and Saggs were there getting a little touchy with her and an altercation happened at the bar and they were all kicked out. Ken being pissed off confronted the two at the hotel only to be overpowered and held by his feet on the balcony.
@Hollywood Hulk Hogan Already elaborated on how it really went down, but never forget that they both pussed out and threatened to sue him if he touched them when he walked up to them the next day.
 
Word is going out that Sheamus will be letting his WWE contract expire without renewing. So no more BANGER after BANGER after BANGER after BANGER.

His contract is (?) set to expire in 2029 (?), but did WWE tried to lowball him to make him sign a shorter one? And it was probably inevitable either way because he's almost 50 and has spine issues.
 
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Word is going out that Sheamus will be letting his WWE contract expire without renewing. So no more BANGER after BANGER after BANGER after BANGER.

His contract is (?) set to expire in 2029 (?), but did WWE tried to lowball him to make him sign a shorter one? And it was probably inevitable either way because he's almost 50 and has spine issues.
I would have thought for sure he'd be a trainer or agent. They fucked him up as soon as he squashed dbry his career died. Mind you he's had a hell of a run. I hope he saved his money
 
I presume the Sheamus thing is one of these renegotiations that TKO is doing with talent. Take a pay cut for the rest of your deal or you can just leave and go somewhere else.

Thing is, I don't see TK biting on Sheamus. He's decent but fairly vanilla and he's got a lot of milage on him.

Also, I don't know if it's deliberate, but AEW has never had an Irish wrestler before. I know WWE had concerns that the accent would confuse the fans so all their talent does "stage Oirish" so that international audiences can understand them.
 
Not yet, he's teased it but it still hasn't happened.
I don't think he ever will. The chop is just a convenient excuse for Joey to hand wave his lack of success. "I didn't retire because I suck, I wanted to get my dick chopped off." and "I was going to get my dick chopped off but so many people wanted to see me vs Jim Sterling again I decided to delay it." Rinse and repeat, back and forth until the grift dries up.
Wasn't this the most obvious African scam since the Nigerian prince? FML I can't believe idiots actually fell for the old "helping orphans" line.
 
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