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Vince got rid of managers for the same reason why he dismantled tag teams. He would have gotten rid of referees too, if he could have. He wanted each match to have as few people participating as possible, as fewer bodies means less money spent on talent.
Vince mostly* got rid of managers because his mentality was "Why the absolute fuck should I invest time and money into a wrestler who can't fucking talk?" and for the most part he was correct. Back in the early 90s when the WWE was teetering on the edge managers made a load of sense because it allowed them to make the most out of what he had, but in the modern era where the WWE is loaded and can hire whoever they want, whenever they want it makes no sense to pay for a manager to elevate some guy when there's 20 guys graduating from the Performance Centre EVERY YEAR who could just about do their job.

*What's funny is that Vince DIDN'T get rid of managers, he still dished them out for generational talents like Brock Lesnar. He just didn't give them out to every 'potential' guy that popped up so it allowed them to either develop their promo skills or fuck off.
 
Vince mostly* got rid of managers because his mentality was "Why the absolute fuck should I invest time and money into a wrestler who can't fucking talk?" and for the most part he was correct. Back in the early 90s when the WWE was teetering on the edge managers made a load of sense because it allowed them to make the most out of what he had, but in the modern era where the WWE is loaded and can hire whoever they want, whenever they want it makes no sense to pay for a manager to elevate some guy when there's 20 guys graduating from the Performance Centre EVERY YEAR who could just about do their job.

*What's funny is that Vince DIDN'T get rid of managers, he still dished them out for generational talents like Brock Lesnar. He just didn't give them out to every 'potential' guy that popped up so it allowed them to either develop their promo skills or fuck off.
They really should bring them back, at least that way the wrestlers don't get shat on for bad promos someone else wrote.
 
Cena's going through another round of hair transplants and has shaved his head before it
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Oba thought he was getting a title shot at summer slam but is instead giving Brock a payday with a hell in the cell match.
Brock vs Oba in a Hell in a Cell match is cool. It does make Oba winning King of the Ring a waste of time, unless he still has the title shot but it's for after SummerSlam. Guessing we get Roman vs Rollins and Sami vs Cody as the title matches.
 
They really should bring them back, at least that way the wrestlers don't get shat on for bad promos someone else wrote.
The thing is, if you're good enough and have proven yourself then you're basically allowed to give a load of input into your promos. WWE copy-paste promos are boring as fuck, but they basically prevent a complete retard from freezing up in front of a live audience and killing them dead. We all remember the Ricochet promo that basically doomed him.

That and the bulk of wrestlers are simply lazy shits who will let creative come up with a five minute promo than think of one. I'd be surprised if the average wrestler even has an internal monologue.
 
I genuinely cannot fucking stand Sami "Proud Muslim" Zayn. This title was bought by $audi Arabia. He cannot drop it to Oba or whoever soon enough.
Feels like forever since I've seen a wrestler dress like an actual friggen wrestler. Love that cartoonishly colourful outfit. And pink + blue + black/white are a great colour combo, troons be damned.
I unironically love Kit Wilson and think his character is awesome. He's a decent wrestler too and really commits to the bit. Shame what happened to Elton Prince...that was nasty.

Pink and blue are very complementary and look great together. Troons really do ruin everything.
 
Was the car crash spot with Austin the one where Vince and the fed knew that he was taking time off for surgery months in advance and still promoted it until the final week that he'd be on the card?
Longstanding urban legend is that Austin had told Vince he would work a reduced schedule and have surgery after WM 2000, but it was predicated on the understanding that Austin would would keep the belt and be presented as world champion until then.

Then Vince, in the fall of 99, got serious about pushing HHH and Austin wouldn't drop the belt to HHH as Vince got upset that he had to use Foley as a middleman and Austin waited right before Survivor Series to tell everyone he was getting surgery now not later, thinking HHH and Rock would flop as top guys and Austin would return a year later, his position as #1 Guy assured.
 
I get WWE have set up the story of Brock being undefeated in Hell in a Cell, but couldn't another stipulation been made since they just had an enclosure-based match to end a big feud?
 
Both companies used real life alcoholism for storylines. WWF did it with Hawk
And Jake Roberts and (if we wanna count post Attitude) Jeff Hardy. I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting.

There were also rib gimmicks like Buddy Rose and the 'Blow'away Diet, mocking his cocaine addiction.
I genuinely cannot fucking stand Sami "Proud Muslim" Zayn. This title was bought by $audi Arabia. He cannot drop it to Oba or whoever soon enough.
I thought he doesn't go to Saudi Arabia for those gigs? Or am I mixing him up with someone/something else?
 
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Vince mostly* got rid of managers because his mentality was "Why the absolute fuck should I invest time and money into a wrestler who can't fucking talk?" and for the most part he was correct. Back in the early 90s when the WWE was teetering on the edge managers made a load of sense because it allowed them to make the most out of what he had, but in the modern era where the WWE is loaded and can hire whoever they want, whenever they want it makes no sense to pay for a manager to elevate some guy when there's 20 guys graduating from the Performance Centre EVERY YEAR who could just about do their job.

*What's funny is that Vince DIDN'T get rid of managers, he still dished them out for generational talents like Brock Lesnar. He just didn't give them out to every 'potential' guy that popped up so it allowed them to either develop their promo skills or fuck off.

Managers don't make sense anymore in the wrestling world that WWE created.

A manager was suppose to be a business manager. In kayfabe, they were a guy that would handle your affairs, help you move up the card and make you more money. Any yokel in the crowd can understand that dynamic. More than being a mouthpiece, a manager was an easy way to cosign new talent for the crowd. A modern example would be when Bobby Heenan hugged James E. Cornette when Cornette debuted in WWF. You didn't need a video package to explain him to audience. Bobby Heenan is an asshole, he's friendly with this faggot, that faggot must be an asshole too. BOOOOO

Paul Heyman isn't a manager. He's an advocate. He's a person you can put on tv when Roman or Brock don't want to show up. He can't elevate talent. Nobody in the audience believes that having Paul Heyman in the corner gives that wrestler an edge. He's a character in a play.

Same with referees. They use to just be guys that would enforce the rules during a match. It made sense to say their names. To give them credibility. When Earl Hebner called a match, you knew it was going to be straight.

Now the audience has been told a million times that the referee is a human walkie-talkie who's job it is to give time cues and directions from the truck. Who gives a fuck what sheboon nigger's name is?

It's the same reason why injury angles no longer work. Everybody knows that it's an angle and, who cares if it isn't, they have guaranteed money. Your favorite wrestler isn't suffering if they get pulled off of TV or have to sit at home nursing their knee.
 
Was that the second or third wife and which one got him all hooked on tinfoil hat shit like that book The Secret?
Sky Daily was his third wife. Second wife was the tinfoil crackpot and his first wife was some Florida bimbo. Hogan really had terrible taste in women. @Hollywood Hulk Hogan is this the work of the vile Ted DeBiase?
The thing is, if you're good enough and have proven yourself then you're basically allowed to give a load of input into your promos. WWE copy-paste promos are boring as fuck, but they basically prevent a complete retard from freezing up in front of a live audience and killing them dead. We all remember the Ricochet promo that basically doomed him.

That and the bulk of wrestlers are simply lazy shits who will let creative come up with a five minute promo than think of one. I'd be surprised if the average wrestler even has an internal monologue.
The absolute worst are these new age soyfags like Cross who go on about how they don't want to do mean promos and hurt their opponents feelings and then have the nerve to act like they are doing some great moral sacrifice and not just making everything so fucking boring. It's fictional entertainment, get the fuck over yourself and do your fucking job.
I genuinely cannot fucking stand Sami "Proud Muslim" Zayn. This title was bought by $audi Arabia. He cannot drop it to Oba or whoever soon enough.
If the Saudi's really are looking at buying WWE then get prepared to see a lot more of this homeless bum in the main event scene.
 
Mercedes put up a picture of her and Bayley having a match at AEWs Wrestledream PPV in October.

Bayleys WWE deal is about to expire and she is already backstage at AEW shows regularly.

TKO are going to lose a shit load of their established talent with their lowball contracts.
 
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Apparently Brian Cage turned down a recent offer from WWE because as he put it "they just release people randomly". It makes sense he'd opt for the safety of TK forgetting about him in AEW because he has a couple of kids with the hot Lucha Underground ring announcer girl.

Also, he's roided to the fucking gills so he'd be in bother if WWE started taking that sort of stuff seriously again.
 
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