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Mexico really does have the best wrestling characters.
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In the cartels there have been a few references to the Nazis

There was a kidnapping ring back in the day called El Nazi

This guy went by the alias El Hitler and he worked for the Tijuana cartel. He even killed himself

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Occasionally when they flash their gear you see the odd Swastika
 
The Brawl for All was a fucking stupid idea from the jump, and the only person who came away from it looking good was Dan Severn solely because he got hurt before the damn thing started, but then I remember the story that most of the reason it existed was apparently Russo getting annoyed at Bradshaw running his mouth backstage that he could tale anyone in the company in a shoot fight.

Is the story true. I don’t know, but seeing Bradshaw get knocked out must have made a few peoples day.
 
Could've easily just had the driver just be a DX lackey like X-Pac or even HHH himself
During Survivor Series 99 they were laying it on thick that it was Billy Gunn that drove the car that hit Austin, but I guess they thought that would have been too obvious and decided to go for the "swerve bro!".
 
During Survivor Series 99 they were laying it on thick that it was Billy Gunn that drove the car that hit Austin, but I guess they thought that would have been too obvious and decided to go for the "swerve bro!".
I think that was the original plan, especially because that was only a few months after Gunn won the KOTR and it was right after his feud with The Rock. Of course, The Rock completely destroyed him in that feud and Gunn just didn't have the mic skills to be higher than a mid carder, but they wanted to see if he could make it on the top of the card and I think it was worth a shot, too. Gunn had everything (other than awful mic skills) that they'd want in a top guy.
 
"Who ran over Stone Cold?" I always found to be a underrated bad angle. They spend almost a year building this angle up, only for it to result in a Rikishi heel turn that noone wanted and Triple H being the mastermind all along.
Should have been Kurt Angle, who IIRC debuted on the show the hit and run took place on. IIRC we got stuck witt Rikishi as part of a politicking deal where Rock pushed for Rikishi as part of his deal to put over Austin a second time at Mania. And HHH as the secret brains behind the plot was 100% damage control.

The headscratcher of the attitude era for me was when WCW brought in Bam Bam Bigelow and off the bat was feuding with then champion Goldberg im like really this fat ass who hasn't been taken seriously since 89' comes in like he's a legit contender? Yeah he was tearing it up in ECW but so what?
Bigalow was an even flightier Sid Viscious by way of Bruiser Brody. He was supposed to be the next big thing but he kept changing companies every year it seemed like as he kept insisting on short term big money deals because Brody and his generation told him he'd make more money as a floating monster for hire than staying with one company and get a consistant push either as a face or as a heel that lasted longer that his usual 6-12 months.
 
You know what the funny thing is about Survivor Series 99? Kurt Angle also debuted there.

You could put two and two together and easily have Kurt as the guy who knocked down Stone Cold, considering he was basically flying right up the card almost immediately after debuting and could do everything.

He's got a motive (I came here to take out the biggest guy) he's capable of being elevated and he'd have some incredible promo battles with Stone Cold.

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Was the car crash spot with Austin the one where Vince and the fed knew that he was taking time off for surgery months in advance and still promoted it until the final week that he'd be on the card?

@MirrorNoir He was wasn't he? One minute he's buddying up with Hogan and anyone working with Hogan was making bank, then a month later what he's in WCW now? huh ok, another month later dafuq now he's in New Japan teaming with Vader? Hey the guy did main event a Wrestlemania so he's got that going for him and it was far from the shittiest celebrity match they've had.
 
I think that was the original plan, especially because that was only a few months after Gunn won the KOTR and it was right after his feud with The Rock. Of course, The Rock completely destroyed him in that feud and Gunn just didn't have the mic skills to be higher than a mid carder, but they wanted to see if he could make it on the top of the card and I think it was worth a shot, too. Gunn had everything (other than awful mic skills) that they'd want in a top guy.
That is true. Billy Gunn had the look, could go in the ring, and had good charisma. It was his bad mic skills that buried him.
 
Was the car crash spot with Austin the one where Vince and the fed knew that he was taking time off for surgery months in advance and still promoted it until the final week that he'd be on the card?
That's the one!

IIRC we got stuck witt Rikishi as part of a politicking deal where Rock pushed for Rikishi as part of his deal to put over Austin a second time at Mania.
I hadn't heard that but it would make sense. Rikishi was over as fuck with Too Cool but anyone with an IQ over 30 could see he wouldn't make it as a main eventer, and we do know that The Rock takes care of his friends/family and will politic
 
"Who ran over Stone Cold?" I always found to be a underrated bad angle. They spend almost a year building this angle up, only for it to result in a Rikishi heel turn that noone wanted and Triple H being the mastermind all along.
At least Vince realized what a disaster the Rikishi heel turn was and shifted to Triple H, which led to the fantastic Three Stages of Hell match between him and Austin. It made the most sense from the start anyway, so the story took a long, fucked up road to get to the proper endgame but it still got there.

And speaking of 2001 Austin, I'm convinced that him turning heel at WM 17 affected the outcome of the Triple H vs Undertaker match. Had Austin stayed a babyface, Triple H would have been the top heel challenger for the title and Triple H handing Undertaker his first loss at WM would have been the logical way to go. So without the Austin heel turn, there's no streak for Taker that carried his WrestleMania storylines for the next decade.
 
I think that was the original plan, especially because that was only a few months after Gunn won the KOTR and it was right after his feud with The Rock. Of course, The Rock completely destroyed him in that feud and Gunn just didn't have the mic skills to be higher than a mid carder, but they wanted to see if he could make it on the top of the card and I think it was worth a shot, too. Gunn had everything (other than awful mic skills) that they'd want in a top guy.
Dolph Ziggler of the Attitude Era

It blows my mind they still don't try and make managers that can actually talk a regular thing in mainstream wrestling

People forget how much 70s and 80s wrestling feuds and storylines revolved around managers and wrestlers clashing with each other

Anyway heres the image I came to post
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Dolph Ziggler of the Attitude Era

It blows my mind they still don't try and make managers that can actually talk a regular thing in mainstream wrestling

People forget how much 70s and 80s wrestling feuds and storylines revolved around managers and wrestlers clashing with each other

Anyway heres the image I came to post
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Vince got rid of managers for the same reason why he dismantled tag teams. He would have gotten rid of referees too, if he could have. He wanted each match to have as few people participating as possible, as fewer bodies means less money spent on talent.

A singles match with no managers or valets is 3 people paid for the night. Tag is 5 people, and managers don't participate for most of the match, so to Vince that was just fat to slash from the budget. Same reason they got rid of pyro a few years back.
 
Should have been Kurt Angle, who IIRC debuted on the show the hit and run took place on. IIRC we got stuck witt Rikishi as part of a politicking deal where Rock pushed for Rikishi as part of his deal to put over Austin a second time at Mania. And HHH as the secret brains behind the plot was 100% damage control.


Bigalow was an even flightier Sid Viscious by way of Bruiser Brody. He was supposed to be the next big thing but he kept changing companies every year it seemed like as he kept insisting on short term big money deals because Brody and his generation told him he'd make more money as a floating monster for hire than staying with one company and get a consistant push either as a face or as a heel that lasted longer that his usual 6-12 months.

At least with Sid you knew what you were going to get. Sid always showed up in shape, and he would always got a big pop when he came back. Then he would fuck off to play softball before he became stale.
 
At least with Sid you knew what you were going to get. Sid always showed up in shape, and he would always got a big pop when he came back. Then he would fuck off to play softball before he became stale.
Sid even got a huge reaction from the Philly mutants in the ECW arena, even though he was exactly the kind of wrestler they all claimed to hate. Dude was over everywhere he went.
 
Dolph Ziggler of the Attitude Era

It blows my mind they still don't try and make managers that can actually talk a regular thing in mainstream wrestling

People forget how much 70s and 80s wrestling feuds and storylines revolved around managers and wrestlers clashing with each other

Anyway heres the image I came to post
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You are 100% right. There was a ton of guys who couldn't speak for shit but got over in the 70s and 80s because they had a manager to talk for them. Billy Gunn would've been amazing if he had a manager to speak for him. Shit, they could've had Road Dogg be his mouth piece, although he was probably a bit too big/tall to be a manager.

Bigalow was an even flightier Sid Viscious by way of Bruiser Brody. He was supposed to be the next big thing but he kept changing companies every year it seemed like as he kept insisting on short term big money deals because Brody and his generation told him he'd make more money as a floating monster for hire than staying with one company and get a consistant push either as a face or as a heel that lasted longer that his usual 6-12 months.
Although Bigelow did not pull the shit that Brody did, which is why he didn't get stabbed in the locker room
 
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