General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

I know the reasons behind it, but I guess I cannot empathize or understand this perversion and I am Male. maybe I am dysfunctional or something but it seems gross and creepy. anyways thanks for the insight.

It is gross and creepy, that's why we don't want people like that in our bathrooms. Cis women can be creeps and perverts too, of course, but it's statistically less likely than a man doing the same.

 

[Kopaka Toa of Ice]

It is gross and creepy, that's why we don't want people like that in our bathrooms. Cis women can be creeps and perverts too, of course, but it's statistically less likely than a man doing the same.

I just don't understand it, the idea of a bathroom for me is to do my business, try to ignore the unpleasantries of the other things around me, flush, wash my fucking hands (maybe text if I am on the shitter) and go about my day.
if I want to fap it would be easier in the privacy of my own room in my own home where porn, toys, privacy, ect. are easier and I don't have to hear or smell the experience of some fat fucking land whale taking a dump. more so then evengender dysphoria, if you get off to seeing and smelling someone take a shit you need to seek help IMO.

 

[Sorlock]

I just don't understand it, the idea of a bathroom for me is to do my business, try to ignore the unpleasantries of the other things around me, flush, wash my fucking hands (maybe text if I am on the shitter) and go about my day.
if I want to fap it would be easier in the privacy of my own room in my own home where porn, toys, privacy, ect. are easier and I don't have to hear or smell the experience of some fat fucking land whale taking a dump. more so then evengender dysphoria, if you get off to seeing and smelling someone take a shit you need to seek help IMO.

Honestly I kind of think horrible American bathrooms only exist because people get off in the kind of places which exist. What would be so bad about having nothing but stalls, each with both a toilet for poop, vomit, and paper products, and a sort of urinal but close to the ground so people of any gender, age, and height can save water peeing? We should really have bidets too. Yet many women like chatting behind stalls and many men like joking at urinals with their schlongs out, and everyone leaves with dirt left in the private and buttocks region. It seems like a very repulsive, filthy, degrading, and unaesthetic form of repressed homosexuality to me.


On a different note, trans usually seems like 1. people who want to be opposite gender stereotypes, 2. people who want a womb or penis for reproduction (delusional people) and settle for a non-working one, or most commonly 3. real-life genderbending:

 

[PBJ Sucks]

I wouldn't care except for the pushing. I was once of the common (I think) opinion that I want to have compassion for those experiencing exceptional pain, that I can help ease and the cost is little. Well, the number of 'exceptions' is rising and a shift in the composition and requirements of the group has occurred. They throw around the same words but plainly are coming from a place of wanting more satisfaction rather than wanting less pain- where inescapable pain is not the same thing as experiencing negative emotion as a response to not having your desires fulfilled or things/reality not being what you want them to be. This is not compassion anymore and I have no desire to pay the rising cost to satisfy it.

Trannies as a whole have ceased to belong to the medical category, and are now basically a religion with dangerous drugs. Identity is not nearly as solid as people make it sound, and it's just stupid to peddle it as an important, unchangeable thing. People can change themselves. People should change themselves. I never hear normal people arguing that feeling like killing is just part of who you are, and you shouldn't suppress your identity as a serial killer. This is obviously not meant to equate trooning out to murder. But this makes it plain that if you can 'explore' it, then it's not something unchangeable, and it is not inherently bad to suppress or to encourage.

In this case, like with religion, your identity is not more important than the rights of others. I would call most of what trannies want an imposition on the rights of others, right down to the pronouns and the pressure to adopt and promote their opinions.

 

[Non-Expert!]

I know the reasons behind it, but I guess I cannot empathize or understand this perversion and I am Male. maybe I am dysfunctional or something but it seems gross and creepy. anyways thanks for the insight.

Well young man, you are normal.

The majority of men in the world, are not emotionally unstable, porn-addled, sociopathic perverts.

 

[MemeGrey]

The majority of men in the world, are not emotionally unstable, porn-addled, sociopathic perverts.

Or they're really good at faking it

 

[Kopaka Toa of Ice]

I mean, I would say that most people [including myself] are "porn addled perverts". I just draw my line at bathroom shit because its not a sexy place and I feel people including myself would rather not be hit on in an area where we take care of embaressing and rather offensive bodily needs.

 

[Brain Problems]

I mean, I would say that most people [including myself] are "porn addled perverts". I just draw my line at bathroom shit because its not a sexy place and I feel people including myself would rather not be hit on in an area where we take care of embaressing and rather offensive bodily needs.

And I'm guessing that no matter what degenerate perverted shit you're into, you haven't made it the centre of your life and identity that you parade around and draw sustained and constant attention to? Because that's what tranny's are doing. They're taking that one fucked up thing you're into and then exploding it into their entire fucking lives.

I think most kiwis and people would agree that whatever you do in your private time is between you and your God. People hate furries for very similar reasons - they cannot shut the fuck up about their fucking fetishes and shove it in everyone's face.

 

[AnOminous]

why would anyone want to Displace women? let alone "Dominate" them over something as silly (and unsanitary) as a bathroom?..

Because they're severely mentally ill troons and that's what troons do.

 

[Terrorist]

IMO bathroom laws are well-intended but would be mostly symbolic (almost nobody would bother to enforce them), and pretty useless in a context where trannies are still allowed to express themselves as trannies. Here's what I'd do instead:

1. Eliminate "transgender" as a legal category (so they're essentially just crossdressers now in the eyes of the law)
2. Introduce indecency laws against public crossdressing.

Boom, no bathroom issues. No pretense for men entering the ladies' room in the guise of women.

 

[ZoSo159]

Suppose to throw my 2 cents in I am not sure how but over the past couple years playing games online I seem to attract transgender people of all stripes like flies to shit and can say that each one I know seems to have some sort of emotional, physical, or sexual trauma they suffered in the past and seem to be quite unhinged outside the whole gender dysphoria thing. The most recent one I have found was my best friend who killed himself about 8 years ago who had a little brother with a history of suicidal ideations and attempted it multiple times with my friends saving him. Their father was extremely abusive and was what fueled most of it and was him, harassment at school, and in the neighborhood that made my friend kill himself.

Got in contact with his family a few weeks ago for the first time in about 6 years to find his little brother has gone and become trans gendered which obviously freaked me out since he was highly suicidal before, the only person who saved him killed himself, and is now part of demographic that has a propensity to kill themselves. Scoured his social media and saw he entered college right before the 2016 elections, joined a local ANTIFA type group right after, started hanging around lgbt type people, then wham bam transgender.

I don't know exactly how he got to that point but after going to college for a year myself the fact he had no positive male role models, an abusive father, a depressed brother who killed himself, and Trump being elected I know they would try to twist his grief and tell him his dad abused them because he was a toxic white male, his brother killed himself because of toxic masculinity making him not be able to get help, and those mean nasty cis white males voted mean ol' Trump into office and telling him the reason he's always wanted to kill himself is because he's actually a girl on the inside.

I worry greatly for him since I have talked to trans people when they began transitioning or after and none of them seemed mentally sound with a deep self loathing, a gross misunderstanding about the mindset of the opposite sex, and quite a large ego where if you misgendered them or didnt show them enough attention they would flip out and demand you apologize and reaffirm them.

Personal anecdotes aside the biggest reasons I can not support the transgender movement but do support them seeking counseling is not why so many are coming out as trans now but who is helping facilitate this. Last time we had a big push for all this lgbt acceptance was after WWI in Germany with certain people opening gay bars, performing gender reassignment surgery, encouraging kids to explore sex and self pleasure. Many of the things happening there are happening now from the same people except there is no force to stop it. Instead of having people butcher their own bodies we need to help them conquer what it is plaguing them from their past rather then encourage the delusion further. The fact you can look at places like Sweden where they do absolutely everything they can to reaffirm trans people and cater every aspect of their culture to them and yet still they kill themselves at the same rate as they would in the US.

Each one I've meet seems miserable and I'd rather help them find a way to love themselves for who they are and realize the things they can do as they are then spiral into these delusions and end up killing themselves. I wasn't there for my best friend when he needed me and I'm terrified of leaving his brother be to be manipulated into this facade but worried if I try to help him I will only cause him more anxiety and make him kill himself as well.

 

[PBJ Sucks]

I did hear a theory once that depression is probably one cause. You want things to get better so you try things to fix your sucky life. It doesn't work on its own but the novelty and placebo from trooning out probably does give a temporary boost.

There are definitely all sorts though and I feel little sympathy for most.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

IMO bathroom laws are well-intended but would be mostly symbolic (almost nobody would bother to enforce them), and pretty useless in a context where trannies are still allowed to express themselves as trannies. Here's what I'd do instead:

1. Eliminate "transgender" as a legal category (so they're essentially just crossdressers now in the eyes of the law)
2. Introduce indecency laws against public crossdressing.

Boom, no bathroom issues. No pretense for men entering the ladies' room in the guise of women.

That would mean women couldn't publicly wear pants anymore, lmao. And enforcing gendered clothes would fuel their delusion that what you wear = what you are.

I mean, I would say that most people [including myself] are "porn addled perverts". I just draw my line at bathroom shit because its not a sexy place and I feel people including myself would rather not be hit on in an area where we take care of embaressing and rather offensive bodily needs.

There's a difference between watching porn once in a while and letting it rule your life. IMO, you're not pornsick unless your fapping habits are negatively impacting your life or the life of others.

 

[ditto]

It must be damn convenient to be sexually attracted to some idea of yourself. It's the sexual equivalent of wireheading.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

There was a short lived attempt in France to enforce gender segregated bathrooms once a few lefty universities and similar organisations began on the bathroom politics.

It fell through because more than once some women were removed from the correct bathroom because they were too butch or ugly.

I wouldn't want to be the cop or security officer who made the wrong call there.

 

[AnOminous]

There was a short lived attempt in France to enforce gender segregated bathrooms once a few lefty universities and similar organisations began on the bathroom politics.

It fell through because more than once some women were removed from the correct bathroom because they were too butch or ugly.

I wouldn't want to be the cop or security officer who made the wrong call there.

That's why bathroom laws are ultimately pointless and a waste of time. You're going to have way more false positives for women who just look like men than actual troons. Just prohibit acting like a fucking weirdo in a bathroom whether you're Macho Ma'am Tranny Savage or Scarlett Johansson. If you perv out in a bathroom, you get banned. One of the main weird ass thing troons seem to do is just hang around in them taking selfies. Prohibit photography of any kind.

 

[PBJ Sucks]

That's why bathroom laws are ultimately pointless and a waste of time. You're going to have way more false positives for women who just look like men than actual troons. Just prohibit acting like a fucking weirdo in a bathroom whether you're Macho Ma'am Tranny Savage or Scarlett Johansson. If you perv out in a bathroom, you get banned. One of the main weird ass thing troons seem to do is just hang around in them taking selfies. Prohibit photography of any kind.

Ultimately it's true that laws aren't terribly affective but they do help set a tone for what an average person feels they can do about it. I don't want to be pressured into ignoring the obvious red flags. If laws tell you you can throw men out of the women's bathroom then more women will feel like they can throw troons out of their bathrooms.

 

[Spastic Colon]

Ultimately it's true that laws aren't terribly affective but they do help set a tone for what an average person feels they can do about it. I don't want to be pressured into ignoring the obvious red flags.

Yep, and if it is illegal for a biological man to be in a woman's bathroom, you can have them removed and/or arrested if need be. If you make it legal for them to be there, that will embolden them to push boundaries because they know it would be very, very difficult to do anything about it.

That's why I don't support allowing biological men into the ladies' room. I'm willing to look the other way if it is just a mild mannered dude in a dress who is just there to pee and put on some lipstick. Anything else, I want him gone. And I want the law on my side so that I can get him kicked out easily if he starts being creepy or even just makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Most women will avoid conflict if they can, so the harmless troons could probably still go in there. It's the Macho Ma'am or Rhys types that will be told to get the fuck out.

 

[AnOminous]

Yep, and if it is illegal for a biological man to be in a woman's bathroom, you can have them removed and/or arrested if need be. If you make it legal for them to be there, that will embolden them to push boundaries because they know it would be very, very difficult to do anything about it.

And for every actual troon you get you'll harass about ten innocent women.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Rate me late if it's been mentioned, but does anyone else wonder if the troons / transtrenders / incels / whatever might be the human version of the 'Beautiful Ones' from the Calhoun Mouse Utopia Experiments?

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

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I am not talking about people who have actual dismorphia, but the looney troons.