🎭 Dramacow Gamergate / Depression Quest Shitstorm

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Basically. And it does not help that the game journalists' response to said inquiries is to insult their entire readerbase, repeatedly.

Even if the "Gamers are Dead" articles were not as negative, gamers are called all sorts of nasty things in public venues like twitter or tumblr, and everyone who presents themselves as one is denied fair treatment.

I mean, if McDonald's employees were shown to treat their entire customer base like shit somewhere due to people asking why they aren't serving real meat in their burgers, wouldn't that lead to people not wanting McDonald's anymore?
 
Jaimas dijo:
This would actually explain a lot. Gawker is central to this entire fuckstorm via Quinn. Kotaku is one of their publications, and they're involved with Silverstring Media, IGF, IndieCade, Phil Fish, and literally every despicable motherfucker involved with this bullshit since day one. And now they just accidentally nudged the angry beehive that is Anonymous.

And now we know about it. You know what that means.

Gawker Media confirmed for final boss, people. This actually explains also why there was so much fire being directed on killing Gamergate. Let's say this firestorm continues going, and Gawker takes further damage. We know they're taking damage from the boycotts and blacklisting - they stand to lose huge if a push for fairness is successful.
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Honestly, I can't tell where this is going anymore but I don't think any one company is responsible for this or will be taken down because of it. I think this is a delayed growing pain the gaming world has had coming for awhile. Gaming still has a pretty immature reputation while also being insanely popular and lucrative. While the developers have started to get more respect in the last decade their audience's reputation is still as bad as it ever was. So now you get people who play video games, getting tattoos of video game characters, getting fucking chips with video games on them implanted, calling the average consumer "nerd" because they feel they're a rung above them because they they're slightly closer to the industry. Shit is broken.

Consumers aren't asking much. They just don't want to be insulted or be told they're racist, sexist, transphobic, whatever when all they did was visit a website to see what new games are coming out. Want to sway a gamers opinion on a subject? Make a solid game that also happens to share your views. If it isn't insane, shallow, or heavy-handed then they might adopt it. Even if a majority don't then quite a few will walk away with something to think about and talk about.

But nah, it's easier to write shit articles telling them how the industry needs to change and how it's their fault it isn't.
 
c-no dijo:
In regards to this 4Chan stuff regarding Moot,

One can only wonder if this actually does go through, with Moot begging for the user base to come back after purging all mods.
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I haven't checked back in a year but apparently Lowtax had a mod purge on the SA forums to un-SJW-shithole the place a while ago, so if it can happen there it can happen anywhere. I might dust off my account, but the place has been shit since CE became D&D because requiring people to not make claims that couldn't be backed up in debates was too high a price of entry for el pinto grande and Fistgirl had to stick up for him.

It was once the best place on the entire internet for political debate, even with highly opinionated people. Imagine that.
 
There was something mentioned pages ago (tried searching, no dice) about Reuters saying that the video game journalists had no journalistic integrity. I was wondering if it was a CMA type thing, since the mainstream news media have done, uh, questionable things (the big four, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX), or if the video games journalism industry was that scummy. It looks like it may be the latter after all. :o
 
Radi Ashun dijo:
For one thing, I look at this in the merchant/consumer relationship type of way. You are a consumer of games, as in you buy games and play them right? Some of these games cause quite a bit of money, around $60-$80 a game, right?

So you as a customer want to know about each game that you plan on investing your money into, so what way can you find about a particular game? Well through reviews, Youtube videos, general word of mouth kinda thing. So you as a customer depend on gaming journalists to be accurate about a game that they are reviewing and that it's a fair and balanced view so you can make a decision on whether or not you want to buy that particular game. I'm saying that there is a certain level of trust that you place on these reviewers to do their research about a product so now that you found that these gaming journalists have been compromised by the insiders, that is, they use cronyism and nepotism to raise each other up and to review games under bias, that trust has been broken. So now the sites that you depended on are no longer seen as trustworthy and reliable. You as a customer would definitively feel ripped off if you invested in a game that had a lot of hype but found the product lacking when you purchased and played it.
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I tend to disagree with you. When I consider whether or not I want to see a movie or a TV show I almost never rely on movie/TV critics. The things I tend to rely on, in no particualr order, are: IMDB ratings, genre, plot description, recommendation from people I know IRL and wether or not the people involved in said film/TV show are people whose previous work I've enjoyed (eg I would usually consider watching a movie if it's directed by Robert Rodriguez or Quention Tarantino). Now I'm not a gamer* so maybe there's something I'm missing, but I don't see anything that would have led me to rely on the opinions of video games critics if I were a gamer.

And that's not to say that this whole Zoey Quinn thing isn't shitty, she seems to me like a talentless hack with a terrible personality, one who seeks his/her own good not should never associate with Quinn in any way.

*If you exclude casual games like Robot Unicorn Attack, I haven't played any PC game younger than GTA:Vice city and haven't played any console game younger than God of War 2.
 
Xarpho dijo:
There was something mentioned pages ago (tried searching, no dice) about Reuters saying that the video game journalists had no journalistic integrity. I was wondering if it was a CMA type thing, since the mainstream news media have done, uh, questionable things (the big four, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX), or if the video games journalism industry was that scummy. It looks like it may be the latter after all. :o
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Things that have come out here (bribes, sex for favors, etc) are a thing in regular media. They're just better at not getting caught. Unless Reuters has a scandal on their hands in the next year or so they can go at gaming all they want. Just how things it works. Also it makes for a better story.
 
Judge Holden dijo:
in other news, an advertising site (as in a website/news thing dedicated to advertising as an industry) seems rather amused by gaming journalism's current obsession with shitting on it's users and points out how catastrophically stupid this idea is

http://adland.tv/adnews/gamergate-insulting-consumers-shrinks-market/1027025677

always nice to have an objective, calm headed outsider have an informed opinion about issues like these
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It now seems increasingly likely that the end-game for this is an industry crash. While there may be some net positives that come out of it, it would still be a shame that some deliberate choices from a cabal of louses will cause a lot of innocents to lose their jobs. :'(
 
DrChristianTroy dijo:
Things that have come out here (bribes, sex for favors, etc) are a thing in regular media. They're just better at not getting caught. Unless Reuters has a scandal on their hands in the next year or so they can go at gaming all they want. Just how things it works. Also it makes for a better story.
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I think how lazy some of them are when it comes to covering things up has to do with arrogance due to the fact that nobody really checks the gaming industry for that shit. Even when there are major fuck ups it never makes it very far in mainstream news. Lack of fear from outsiders peering in means connections have more power and going against the grain is viewed as more harmful than actually doing something ethically questionable.

People like Ben Kuchera should not be gatekeeper on any level when it comes to getting into the field.
 
Xarpho dijo:
It now seems increasingly likely that the end-game for this is an industry crash. While there may be some net positives that come out of it, it would still be a shame that some deliberate choices from a cabal of louses will cause a lot of innocents to lose their jobs. :'(
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Do you mean the crash of video games in general or just the gaming journalism industry? The latter, fair enough. But I honestly don't think the majority give enough of a shit to be so pissed that they don't buy whatever the next game is.
 
Xarpho dijo:
It now seems increasingly likely that the end-game for this is an industry crash. While there may be some net positives that come out of it, it would still be a shame that some deliberate choices from a cabal of louses will cause a lot of innocents to lose their jobs. :'(
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This won't crash the video game industry. People are going to keep playing video games because they like video games. This could (and hopefully will) hurt gaming journalism enough to where they are forced to make long overdue changes.
 
Francis York Morgan dijo:
This won't crash the video game industry. People are going to keep playing video games because they like video games. This could (and hopefully will) hurt gaming journalism enough to where they are forced to make long overdue changes.
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or at least keep agenda driven social commentary out of it.
 
OBAMATRON dijo:
or at least keep agenda driven social commentary out of it.
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Don't count on it. Logically speaking, one can still agree with most or all the spoken premises of SJW ideology* and still condemn Quinn for her personal and professional conduct. Even if gamer gate will reach a point in which all of Zoe's allies will be forced to repudiate her they'll have no reason to repudiate their ideology. Think of it like the USSR after the death of Stalin; while Stalin's paricular excesses were condemned by his successors, his ideology wasn't and the political system retained the same basic form it had during his time.

And just to make myself clear, I'm not trying to defend SJW ideology. There are plenty of good arguments against much of it, it's just that "Zoey Quinn is a bad person" isn't one of them.

*As opposed to the unspoken premises of SJW ideology, such as that an unprivleged person can do no wrong, unless of course said unprivleged person happens to disagree with SJW ideology.
 
Xarpho dijo:
It now seems increasingly likely that the end-game for this is an industry crash. While there may be some net positives that come out of it, it would still be a shame that some deliberate choices from a cabal of louses will cause a lot of innocents to lose their jobs. :'(
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The Western Market might crash, but I doubt the Japanese Market will. They've mostly stayed out of the controversy.
 
Because of how prolific the industry is at a low level (talking about indie devs here) I doupt there will be a crash in the same way there was during the Atari Age.

A dip due to lack of journalism? Sure. But games that spread via word of mouth (Five Frights at Dennys) dont *need* it.

Unless the maker was part of the whole conspiracy (it really needs a name thats not Quinspiracy because its not about her anymore, nor is she the center of it, just a prolific member) with Silver String Media and all that and nobody told me, that game did perfectly fine being spread around by word of mouth. And it deserves it, to tell you the truth...
 
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