US Gal Gadot as Cleopatra Makes Archaeological Sense - DNA analysis has shown that the closest relatives of ancient Egyptians are today’s Levantines, so Israeli Gal Gadot as Cleopatra is a pretty good match

Gal Gadot as Cleopatra Makes Archaeological Sense​

DNA analysis has shown that the closest relatives of ancient Egyptians are today’s Levantines, so Israeli Gal Gadot as Cleopatra is a pretty good match

Gal Gadot (right) superimposed on photograph of Cleopatra VII statue fragment, at the Royal Ontario MuseumCredit: Cleopatra image by Daderot, Gal Gadot image by Martin Meissner/AP
Ariel David


Published at 09:25

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Following this week’s announcement that the Israeli actress Gal Gadot will play ancient Egypt’s Queen Cleopatra in a new movie, social media erupted in a bitter battle between advocates for greater diversity in film, and opponents of what is perceived as political correctness gone mad.

Critics contend that a person of color should have been cast as Cleopatra: an African, Arab or mixed-heritage actress should have been given the part – but not Gadot, a Jew of Eastern European descent. The pro-Gadot camp countered that Cleopatra herself was apparently a white woman of Greek or Macedonian descent and that historical records show Arabs only reached Egypt centuries after Cleopatra’s death. The first century B.C.E. queen was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, distant descendants of Ptolemy, the general who ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great’s conquest of the country.


The more informed among Gadot’s detractors retorted that while Cleopatra was indeed the daughter and successor of King Ptolemy XII, her mother may have been of local African stock, meaning that the famed lover of Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony was possibly of mixed heritage.

Greater diversity in film is a reasonable and noble cause, but the backlash is tinged with heavy political and ideological undertones, and is accompanied by anti-Israel and antisemitic abuse against Gadot.



On one hand, the latest controversy looks like a bad sequel to the one over whether Gadot should be considered white or a person of color, which erupted when she was cast as Wonder Woman.

On the other hand, given that history and archaeology have been mobilized by both sides, this debate does raise an interesting question: what do we really know about the ethnic background of the ostensibly beautiful Cleopatra and of the ancient Egyptians in general?


The short answer is: it’s complicated. Portraits of the queen on coins from the period don’t help us clarify the issue, although they do paint a rather unflattering picture that suggests Cleopatra’s legendary beauty was a later historical embellishment. Some experts think it likely that Cleopatra may have had local Egyptian or African ancestry, but there is no clear evidence either way.


The unusual case of an unknown mother

Officially known as Cleopatra VII Philopator, the future queen of Egypt was born in 70 or 69 B.C.E., the third of Ptolemy XII’s six children. The main problems in establishing her exact background are that her tomb has never been found and her mother is unknown.


Some experts, like Yale classicist and author of “Cleopatra and Rome” Diana Kleiner, suspect her mother was Ptolemy XII’s first wife, Cleopatra V Tryphaena. This opens up a whole new can of worms, because this Cleopatra’s origins are also unclear, though it has been suggested that she may have been Ptolemy’s sister. This would not be surprising because the Hellenistic dynasty did not like to mix with the local population and adopted the traditions of incestuous marriage and inbreeding that had been common among earlier generations of pharaonic rulers.



Cleopatra VII herself first ascended to the throne in 51 B.C.E. as the wife of her younger brother Ptolemy XIII, whom she later eliminated in a power struggle with the support of Julius Caesar.

However, Cleopatra Tryphaena died right around the time of Cleopatra VII’s birth – and some experts have suggested her mother may have been somebody else entirely, who remains unidentified. For example, the Egyptologist Sally-Ann Ashton, who helped create a computerized 3D reconstruction of Cleopatra’s visage based on ancient artifacts, postulates that she may have been the daughter of a local Egyptian concubine of Ptolemy XII.


A murdered sister

The effort to prove that Cleopatra was a dark-skinned woman of mixed ancestry predates the brouhaha over the casting of Gadot. Perhaps the strongest case is presented by a 2009 BBC documentary which focused on the figure of Arsinoe IV, Cleopatra’s younger sister and another of her rivals for the throne.

Arsinoe, who along with her brother was on the losing end of the power struggle with Cleopatra and her Roman allies, was first exiled to Ephesus, in today’s Turkey, and then murdered on the orders of Mark Anthony in 41 B.C.E. The researchers behind the documentary claimed that a tomb found in Ephesus in the 1920s was Arsinoe’s and that measurements of the skull unearthed in that burial displayed hallmarks of African ancestry.


Relief of Cleopatra, left, and Cesarion on the Temple of Dendera, EgyptCredit: Rowan

Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman in a scene from "Wonder Woman 1984"Credit: Clay Enos/ Warner Bros Pictures
“It has got this long head shape,” forensic anthropologist Caroline Wilkinson said at the time. “That’s something you see quite frequently in ancient Egyptians and black Africans. It could suggest a mixture of ancestry.” In other words, if Arsinoe had African ancestry so did her more famous sister, the researchers postulated.

Leaving aside that establishing anybody’s ancestry using skull measurements is a fraught and unreliable endeavor, many experts were skeptical of the documentary’s conclusions back when it first aired. Renowned Oxford classics professor Mary Beard noted that there is little evidence to link that particular tomb in Ephesus to Arsinoe. Also, just as we are not sure of who Cleopatra’s mother was, we cannot be sure that the rival siblings were full sisters rather than daughters of Ptolemy XII from different women.

Be that as it may, the argument that Cleopatra was of African heritage misses a broader point.

Historical ironies

Even if Cleopatra herself was a local woman and not an inbred Macedonian aristocrat, Gadot would still be appropriate to play the role – perhaps even more so. Genetic analysis of 90 mummified remains of ancient Egyptians who lived between 1388 B.C.E. (just before the time of Ramses II) to 426 C.E. (the late Roman period) concluded that these people (not just the Egyptian elites but ordinary folk whose remains were preserved) had “higher affinities with modern populations from the Near East and the Levant compared to modern Egyptians,” according to the 2017 study published in Nature Communications.

The fact that the ancient Egyptians’ closest living relatives are people who live in Israel, Jordan and the surrounding region today, and not modern Egyptians, is not entirely surprising. We know that in antiquity there was often massive immigration from the Levant, especially from Canaan, into pharaonic Egypt.

Meanwhile, the same study found that today’s Egyptians have a much stronger African genetic component than their pharaonic ancestors, which stems from an influx from sub-Saharan Africa well after the Roman period, in other words long, long after Cleopatra lived.

The mummy DNA study highlights the irony of the anti-Gadot campaign. Inadvertently it makes a very good argument for casting the Israeli actress in the role of the Egyptian queen. If indeed Cleopatra had mixed Greek and ancient Egyptian heritage and if we accept that ancestry should be a factor when choosing an actor to play a historical character (a big if) then someone of European and Levantine descent such as Gadot seems like a good match. In fact, this would seem like the closest match we could get without actually bringing back to life an ancient Egyptian pharaoh, and anyone who has seen “The Mummy” knows that that would be an extraordinarily bad idea.


The Khazar myth

Of course there will always be those who will argue that Ashkenazim, Jews of Eastern European descent like Gadot, are just white Europeans and have no link to the ancient Israelites or other inhabitants of the Levant. The idea is based on the theory, itself colored by a strong political bias, that Ashkenazim descended from the Khazars, a Caucasian people who converted to Judaism during the Middle Ages. This thesis continues to hold some currency, especially in anti-Israel and antisemitic circles, even though a plethora of historical and genetic studies have debunked it. As an example, one study, published in 2014 in Nature Communications, sequenced the genome of 128 Ashkenazi Jews and concluded that this group “is an even mix of European and Middle Eastern ancestral populations.”

So, to sum this up, we may still not know whether Cleopatra, or Gadot, should be called white or persons of color, but at least, from what history and archaeology can tell us, there seems to be no inherent inaccuracy or distortion in having a Jewish Ashkenazi actress play the last queen of Egypt. Enjoy the movie.


 
Funny implication of this is that while the rest of the region has biologically changed, ethnic Jews of today haven't. Keeping cannon with the parable of the wedding feast even after 2000 years 🤔
 
The main problem with casting Gadot is that she is way too attractive.

I've seen descriptions ranging from her being plain to straight up androgynous, she was however, by all accounts, incredibly charismatic, witty, charming and highly intelligent.

Sources suggest that it may have only taken her a few hours to have completely win Caesar over, (it should be noted that the thing she was trying to get him to do was de-throne her brother who was literally besieging Caesar at the time, so they were already on the same wavelength).

After Caesars victor over the Egyptians and Cleo being installed on the throne (and her being noticeably pregnant with his child) he handed over a Roman province into her control (it was technically Egyptian but the Romans had taken it over and no-one was going to argue if they kept it) one of the only times that the Romans ever willingly gave up land, and then spent several months "touring the Nile" with her, despite the political (and military) situation in Rome desperately needing his attention, to say noting of the whole Mark Antony situation goes to show how easily she was able to wrap powerful men around her fingers, despite her universally recognized lack of visual attractiveness.
 
Gal Gadot IS a "poc". That lovely olive skin tone isn't a tan. She's still not the correct casting, because Gal is quite pretty and Cleopatra was quite ugly, but she's probably exactly the right ethnicity mix for Cleopatra. If anything, Cleopatra was even whiter than Gal Gadot. The black Cleopatra thing is a myth that stems from the even older myth that Cleopatra was beautiful. People just want her to be black so they can say 'the most beautiful and smart queen in history was black!' when in reality they're arguing that a dog-ugly woman who knew how to rock in the bedroom to manipulate men was black.
These people don't know anything about history so saying that Cleopatra was actually quite plain and was still able to manipulate powerful men would have their head spinning. They'd prob have a harder time believing that than the fact that she isn't black. Also Hollywood would never cast a plain or ugly woman to play Cleopatra even if it was historically accurate regardless.
 
I legit would smash and find that hang-up keeps me from appraising this article sans bias. I hope the rest of you will take care of this for me.
 
Yeah, but this is Hollywood. No ugly people allowed.

The next time an actual known person is better looking than the actor portraying them will be the first time.

These people don't know anything about history so saying that Cleopatra was actually quite plain and was still able to manipulate powerful men would have their head spinning. They'd prob have a harder time believing that than the fact that she isn't black.

Plenty of people who radiate being sexy without being incredibly good looking.

Also the reverse. You can be really good looking and not be "sexy".
 
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It was the 25th dynasty which existed after the Nubians from the Kingdom of Kush took over, how black they are depends how you view the Sudanese of today. The Kingdom of Kush was a great kingdom by its own right, they had an early form of antibiotics, had an economy that rivaled ancient Egypt, and had a high level of female participation in society. Too bad the public ignored them, especially the afrocentrics.
Thanks for answering
 
On a semi related note;
Cleopatra is number 2 on my list of “Historical women I want to gf”.

Number 1 of course being the eternal femdom empress Wu Zetian
 
The main problem with casting Gadot is that she is way too attractive.

I've seen descriptions ranging from her being plain to straight up androgynous, she was however, by all accounts, incredibly charismatic, witty, charming and highly intelligent.

Sources suggest that it may have only taken her a few hours to have completely win Caesar over, (it should be noted that the thing she was trying to get him to do was de-throne her brother who was literally besieging Caesar at the time, so they were already on the same wavelength).

After Caesars victor over the Egyptians and Cleo being installed on the throne (and her being noticeably pregnant with his child) he handed over a Roman province into her control (it was technically Egyptian but the Romans had taken it over and no-one was going to argue if they kept it) one of the only times that the Romans ever willingly gave up land, and then spent several months "touring the Nile" with her, despite the political (and military) situation in Rome desperately needing his attention, to say noting of the whole Mark Antony situation goes to show how easily she was able to wrap powerful men around her fingers, despite her universally recognized lack of visual attractiveness.
Cleopatra was also most likely a fatty because only royalty and nobility were able to be hambeasts.
 
The main problem with casting Gadot is that she is way too attractive.

I've seen descriptions ranging from her being plain to straight up androgynous, she was however, by all accounts, incredibly charismatic, witty, charming and highly intelligent.

Sources suggest that it may have only taken her a few hours to have completely win Caesar over, (it should be noted that the thing she was trying to get him to do was de-throne her brother who was literally besieging Caesar at the time, so they were already on the same wavelength).

After Caesars victor over the Egyptians and Cleo being installed on the throne (and her being noticeably pregnant with his child) he handed over a Roman province into her control (it was technically Egyptian but the Romans had taken it over and no-one was going to argue if they kept it) one of the only times that the Romans ever willingly gave up land, and then spent several months "touring the Nile" with her, despite the political (and military) situation in Rome desperately needing his attention, to say noting of the whole Mark Antony situation goes to show how easily she was able to wrap powerful men around her fingers, despite her universally recognized lack of visual attractiveness.
The whole thing with Caesar isn't really that impressive, as they started out with already similar goals and then bedding Caesar isn't much of an accomplishment. He was said to be 'the husband to every woman and wife to every man in Rome' because he was at once so voracious and so charming that when he came to visit he'd end up screwing whoever happened to be home. His soldiers used to joke that their wives needed to be locked up in a room to keep them safe any time he was in town, but the husbands were just as likely to be seduced. Manipulating a guy who was just one big ball of horny is probably less impressive than all the rest of the manipulating and seducing of men she did to get her reputation.
 
These people don't know anything about history so saying that Cleopatra was actually quite plain and was still able to manipulate powerful men would have their head spinning. They'd prob have a harder time believing that than the fact that she isn't black. Also Hollywood would never cast a plain or ugly woman to play Cleopatra even if it was historically accurate regardless.
The real subversion in this situation would be to have a non-descript looking Greek/Turk/Levantine/Egyptian and, as you say, win these power games by being a total social savant and political operator. Making her gorgeous is historically illiterate but also takes away from these other meaningful attributes.
Classical Mediterranean was a lot more diverse than it is today, and by diverse I mean each individual village has more cultural and phenotypical flavour than you get today. The isolation meant it was possible to come across individual places in North Africa or Anatolia where there were a load of gingers, or green-eyed people, or short or tall people, but they were probably also inbred because of this isolation.
My point is, they clearly aren't going the route where Cleopatra is accurately homely, so Gal Gadot qualifies if only because she has beige skin and dark hair. They could've hired a Libyan, Iranian, Turk or Arab and I really wouldn't mind either since you're not gonna get many Greeks in Hollywood who's family tree is 5 consecutive generations of their god-kings and sister-wives fucking one another.
 
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