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DSP's Tax Lawyer dijo:
Bournemouth got super fucked over by VAR. Newcastle should be on 3 points and Bournemouth should be sitting with 4. Also Wolves and Everton oooooof
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Turns out Joelinton can literally grab a goalkeeper around the neck when they've got the ball and throw them to the floor, and all he gets is a yellow card? Fuck off. The refereeing in that game was fucking awful.

 
Last week, during the match between my São Paulo and Nacional for Copa Libertadores, defender Juan Izquierdo collapsed on the pitch. He had to be brought to the hospital by ambulance. Doctors detected a severe case of cardiac arrhythmia, and he was kept sedated and breathing mechanically while his condition stabilized.

Yesterday evening, news broke that he passed away. He was only 27 years old.
 
Yuuichirou Kumada dijo:
Last week, during the match between my São Paulo and Nacional for Copa Libertadores, defender Juan Izquierdo collapsed on the pitch. He had to be brought to the hospital by ambulance. Doctors detected a severe case of cardiac arrhythmia, and he was kept sedated and breathing mechanically while his condition stabilized.

Yesterday evening, news broke that he passed away. He was only 27 years old.
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Just read about it and was going to post it too. The article I read mentioned that the Sao Paulo players were wearing shirts in support of Izquierdo this weekend during their league matches which is a pretty cool move. Much sympathies for Sao Paulo FC.

27 is not an age to die at. Poor guy.
 
Onni Kalsarikännit dijo:
Just read about it and was going to post it too. The article I read mentioned that the Sao Paulo players were wearing shirts in support of Izquierdo this weekend during their league matches which is a pretty cool move. Much sympathies for Sao Paulo FC.

27 is not an age to die at. Poor guy.
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Oh yes, it was a very sweet move. There is also a bit of historical context: Some of São Paulo's biggest stars are from Uruguay (Darío Pereyra, Diego Lugano, Diego Aguirre, Pablo Forlán, and those are only the ones I remember, there's a few more), and they famously hosted the Uruguay NT for the 1950 World Cup that they would eventually win. This was a personal question for the club.

Reading more into Izquierdo's case, it turned out he entered full cardiac arrest as soon as he entered the hospital, which is why he had to be sedated and linked to a breathing machine. Over the weekend, his condition worsened because the lack of blood and oxygen flow caused legitimate brain damage.

The worst part? He was married and had a 2-year-old daughter.

And it's not even the first time São Paulo had an opposing team member dying on the pitch. Ten years ago, during a regular season game against up-and-coming São Caetano, midfielder Serginho also passed out in the same way. He suffered a heart attack then and there, and due to an ambulance not being in the stadium's premises, it took forever for one to enter the pitch and take him to the hospital. Serginho died an hour later, and São Caetano hit the skids big time after his death. Only after this tragedy did CBF impose a rule to have at least one ambulance in every stadium for every sanctioned match, no matter how small or insignificant.
 
Just watched the draw for the new Champions League season. It's a bit of a mess and I'm not sure what to think of it.

What's new?
- 4 new teams are new. In total there are now 36 teams competing.
- No classic group stage anymore. Every team will have 8 matches but only face them once.

How did the draw go?
- The 36 teams were split up into 4 pots. So each pot had 9 teams.

The 4 pots:
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CC = club coefficent. The clubs were split up after their CC. As you can see pot 1 has the 9 teams with the highest CC, pot 4 has the 9 teams with the lowest CC.
Every team faces two teams from each pot, one team at home and one team away. They cannot face more than two teams from one country. They cannot face more than two teams from the same country.

Gianluigi Buffon had the honour to pick the teams and Ronaldo had the very difficult task of pushing a button every single time Buffon drew a team bc they didn't draw each team to each other bc obviously this would have taken way too long. Instead they had a computer program which actually handled the draw. To start the KI draw Ronaldo pushed a button.

So as example, Buffon drew the first team from pot 1, let's say Real Madrid again, and then Ronaldo pushed a button to start the KI. The KI then drew the 8 opponents from the 4 pots. Then Buffon drew the next team from pot 1, Ronaldo pushed the button again, the KI did it's work again. And so on and on. So basically they drew every single team at least once. When they had reached the last pot (4) and where down to the last 4-5 teams everything was basically already set.

Here are the results:

Pot 1 teams
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Pot 2 teams
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Pot 3 teams
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Pot 4
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So Real Madrid from pot 1 is going to face:
Home: Dortmund (1), AC Milan (2), RB Salzburg (3), Stuttgart (4)
Away: Liverpool (1), Atalanta (2), Lille (3), Brest (4)

But we don't know in which order Real is going to face the teams yet. This will be up to the KI which is going to calculate the exact schedule for each team. Theoretically it could happen that Real will have their first 4 matches away and then their 4 matches at home. Or it's away-home-away-home-etc. Or away-home-home-away-home-home-away-away. Or any other possible mix. The definitive schedule will be announced on Saturday.

On the last matchday all 18 matches are going to be played at the same time. Like the last matches of a group at the World/Euro cup or last CL season.

The commentator mentioned an interesting detail. UEFA was running hundres and thousands of test draws with fake results. In the end it occured that 7.62 points (=8 points) will be enough to advance to the next round, the kick-off tournament. Basically two wins and two draws can be enough to advance.

With 36 teams and no groups they are going to form one table, like in any national league.
The first 8 teams are set up for the round of 16.
The teams ranked from 9th to 24th will play a two legged qualification round to set up the other 8 teams for the round of 16.
Teams ranked from 25th to 36th are gone from the competition and won't get a spot in the Europa league.
 
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I can't wait to see CONMEBOL implementing this model for Libertadores and Sudamericana in a few years.
 
The draws for Europa League and Conference League are done too. Same modus operandi as in the new Champions League.

The 4 pots
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The results
Pot 1
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Pot 2
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Pot 3
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Pot 4
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Clubs in Europa League who won't make it to the knock out stage won't go down to Conference League.

The Conference League sees 6 instead of 4 pots and every pot with 6 instead of 9 clubs. Every club gets one opponent from one pot.
The 6 pots
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Pot 1
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Pot 2
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Pot 3
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Pot 4
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Pot 5
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Pot 6
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DSP's Tax Lawyer dijo:
Not a fan of this tbh
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I think I like it.

Champions League teams who won't make it to the CL knock out stage won't go down to Euro League and Euro League teams who won't make it to the EL knock out stage won't go down to Conference League. It makes every competition a make-it-or-die-competition. I kind of hated it that if you weren't good enough in the CL you got a shot in the EL. Why? Why should better teams get more shots? It puts the weaker teams in a weaker position than they already are.

Sure, when I look at the Conference League teams Chelsea sticks out. Obviously. But that's the exception and not the rule and to every rule is an exception. Premier League teams outrank most of the other teams and leagues anyways. Like Nottingham has more money to throw around than Frankfurt. Looking at the CC of Chelsea they would be ranked 2nd in the Euro League pots behind -surprise- another Premier League team (ManU). Chelsea's CC has a bigger CC than all the teams in pot 3 of the Conference League combined. Even Tottenham (pot 1 of Euro League) outranks every other team in Euro League when we just look at the CC. The only team Tottenham doesn't outrank is -surprise- Chelsea.

Overall the more I look at the new system the more I start to like it - ignoring the obvious downsides like more fucking matches with more fucking teams I can't even spell their names and thus probably don't care at all. At least in theory. How it will play out IRL we have to wait and see. That the matches in the new group stage are just one legged might lead to some surprises which might fuck up things hilariously. With the competitions being closed from each other and the teams only getting one shot at one trophy it should lead to more motivation to win a match and thus lead to more fierce matches. The last matchday could get really exciting. At least that's my hope.
 
Onni Kalsarikännit dijo:
I think I like it.

Champions League teams who won't make it to the CL knock out stage won't go down to Euro League and Euro League teams who won't make it to the EL knock out stage won't go down to Conference League. It makes every competition a make-it-or-die-competition. I kind of hated it that if you weren't good enough in the CL you got a shot in the EL. Why? Why should better teams get more shots? It puts the weaker teams in a weaker position than they already are.

Sure, when I look at the Conference League teams Chelsea sticks out. Obviously. But that's the exception and not the rule and to every rule is an exception. Premier League teams outrank most of the other teams and leagues anyways. Like Nottingham has more money to throw around than Frankfurt. Looking at the CC of Chelsea they would be ranked 2nd in the Euro League pots behind -surprise- another Premier League team (ManU). Chelsea's CC has a bigger CC than all the teams in pot 3 of the Conference League combined. Even Tottenham (pot 1 of Euro League) outranks every other team in Euro League when we just look at the CC. The only team Tottenham doesn't outrank is -surprise- Chelsea.

Overall the more I look at the new system the more I start to like it - ignoring the obvious downsides like more fucking matches with more fucking teams I can't even spell their names and thus probably don't care at all. At least in theory. How it will play out IRL we have to wait and see. That the matches in the new group stage are just one legged might lead to some surprises which might fuck up things hilariously. With the competitions being closed from each other and the teams only getting one shot at one trophy it should lead to more motivation to win a match and thus lead to more fierce matches. The last matchday could get really exciting. At least that's my hope.
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I personally liked the idea that a team could drop down and still compete in a European competition. When you had these groups in Champions League or Europa league that had the top 2 teams sitting at like 12 and 9 points after 4 match days, the bottom 2 teams were basically gone from that competition. But they still had something to play for with a spot in Europa League or Conference League. And its not like there isn't precedent for it. When you go for qualifying in the group stages, you start by trying to qualify for champions league. If you fail, you go to Europa league etc etc.
 
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